Ops rewards - what do you think?

[Butterdoll]

Personally i don't know what to think, it could be mainly due to my lack of experience with economic flags.

 

Everyone said Ops rewards was nerfed, Narai ops was nerfed, which I'm not contesting it. But in comparison with last year Hallo ops seems fine to me.

 

Last year Saving Transylvania 

 

 

 

Narai

 

 

Bottom line is, they give literally the same.

 

My only complain is i could do this with special ship instead of every day ships.

 

 

[DFens_666]

My complaint is, that it gives the same rewards whether you play with 4 or 7 guys. I liked to do Narai with 4 guys, as it is actually rather challenging and it gave decent rewards for that. Also you could actually fail, so there was some risk involved.

But now? Why should i do it with 4 guys and take a risk? Doing it with 7 i find extremely boring tho...

Havent touched the other OPs since they nerfed them afaik.

 

In a good random game i can almost get double the amount i get in Narai. In the same timeframe. Even in a loss i usually get the same than i get in Narai. So why waste flags there?

[Pikkozoikum]

16 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

In a good random game i can almost get double the amount i get in Narai. In the same timeframe. Even in a loss i usually get the same than i get in Narai. So why waste flags there?

Wait, does have Operation that good rewards? I never saw a reason to do those xD

Ah, it was a random battle? Damn, I would love, if they would actually implement a good PvE mode. The Developers say, that the PvE is not popular, but that's only because we don't have a good mode, that gives good rewards, are challenging and make fun to play it repetivly.

 

I always take Warframe as reference. There is a wave-mode, where the players have to fight 5 waves in a row, then they can leave an take the reward, or go for another 5 waves for a better reward. When they die, they alose everything.

[Butterdoll]

25 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

My complaint is, that it gives the same rewards whether you play with 4 or 7 guys. I liked to do Narai with 4 guys, as it is actually rather challenging and it gave decent rewards for that. Also you could actually fail, so there was some risk involved.

But now? Why should i do it with 4 guys and take a risk? Doing it with 7 i find extremely boring tho...

Havent touched the other OPs since they nerfed them afaik.

 

In a good random game i can almost get double the amount i get in Narai. In the same timeframe. Even in a loss i usually get the same than i get in Narai. So why waste flags there?

 

you can get 60 k elite xp in randoms?

 

Because farming in randoms it's very unpredictable , Ops are more fun, are safer and more reliable than in random and i see this farming business as a long run thing.

I happily trade a few good games for many games with good amounts of elite xp in each one of them.

And one end up of wasting a lot less flags in Ops than in random.

 

As I'm writing this to you it dawns on me that I'm referring to elite XP alone.

 

credits, XP and free XP aren't a issue for me, never was i'm only interested in Elite XP.

 

It would help if i mentioned that in the beginning ...dah   

 

sorry.

 

Again how much Elite XP can you earn in an average random game with all bells and whistles?

 

 

 

[DanSilverwing]

It is still possible to get good rewards in Operations.

 

It just isn't time efficient any more.

[Saltface]

This is my Narai record post nerf, you tell me if it is worth it

No transports killed I went for the CV

 

this is from yesterdays Narai game....again no transports....just did the CV

 

rewards are not what they used to be but still you can have a consistent result .... if you want FXP and CEXP (about 45K each game)

Is it worth it? You be the judges

 

EDIT: Here is one with no signals (or just a very few) I took points out of 21 ships, I took out 10 ships (no transports) and I get just a bit over 1500 XP, they really nerfed it .... 

 

[DFens_666]

30 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

Wait, does have Operation that good rewards? I never saw a reason to do those xD 

Ah, it was a random battle? Damn, I would love, if they would actually implement a good PvE mode. The Developers say, that the PvE is not popular, but that's only because we don't have a good mode, that gives good rewards, are challenging and make fun to play it repetivly.

 

They used to before they nerfed them... let me find some old screens.

That was 2,7k base XP before the nerf. Should be like >70k commander XP.

 

2,9k Base in Dynamo

Sometimes we got >3k base, which was 40k FreeXP, couldnt find a screenshot now.

 

Imo the T6 OPs didnt give too much rewards ever, also they were also impossible to do with 4 guys. Dynamo was doable with 4, and so is Narai. But there was always a chance to [edited]up and lose a star. Or sometimes fail entirely, so imo there was sufficient risk <-> reward to balance it out.
As i said, now its mostly waste of flags really.... You can grind some T7 ships to avoid bad MM.

[DFens_666]

This is a 4 people Narai run recently... now tell me, that this doesnt suck? I got a bit more XP, and everyone else got less. Not a good trade imo

[Butterdoll]

sorry @DFens_666 but no.

 

I just did 3 random games 1 win and 2 defeats, last two weren't anything special.

31 k , 6 k ( i drop the ball in this one) and 19 k

 

I didn't play for a month  (more or less) and now I'm putted in Alkazeser teams which I'm ok with it, i just hold on and wait until it passes but i don't have time right now nor the resources

 

So far, in Narai things go around 30 k and i manage 40k in the last one.

I want to end Halloween with at least 2 million

 

I'll stick with regular ops in the Halloween season  that doesn't have Halloween ships or Halloween operations.

I hope i see you in random or in rank in December, at least, that won't chance and hopefully i will have an additional 2 million elite XP. 

 

 

[Fatal_Ramses]

One of the last games in Cherry Blossom back in Dec.2018.

 

Game from last night in Narai:

 

2 year gap in skills :D

[Butterdoll]

almost 50 k just now, in a 4 stars win i don't know why they let the transports run, but they got away.

 

 

And things are slowly return as they were.

 

8 fires pfff if i was in an Igor would be 40, 50 or more fires per game

[anonym_FDOLXpxOfXXq]

Well, seeing that the Ops channel is not empty most of the day to the point of not being able to gather 5 ppl for narai, I guess this answers the question.

WG thoroughly butchered the Ops to reduce farming, despite all their blatant lies about it.

[IanH755]

Yet more of WG's self-fulfilling prophecies -

 

Make a Fun Game mode for people to enjoy.

Realise that lots of people are playing the new mode.

Realise that "too many" people are playing the new mode, hurting the PvP queue time.

Realise that people are making too much FXP/XP/Credits from our new mode.

"Accidentally" break the new mode with AI autopilot problems.

Realise people are STILL playing the new mode too much.

Nerf the new modes earnings.

New mode player numbers drops dramatically.

People ask for new Ops.

 

WG - "Operations aren't a priority because not many people play them" - and I wonder  why WG???

[Purnylla]

One should play operations because they like the game mode. Not because the game mode has a better XP/credit income than another game mode. 

 

I enjoy the operations, I think the rewards are fine enough. I wish there were more operations, for different tiers though.

[Butterdoll]

The rewards seems fine to me, i did almost 400 k so far

[Perekotypole]

Vor 7 Stunden, Pikkozoikum sagte:

but that's only because we don't have a good mode, that gives good rewards,

what? rewards are already good as for PVE.... 

[Butterdoll]

21 hours ago, Purnylla said:

One should play operations because they like the game mode. Not because the game mode has a better XP/credit income than another game mode. 

 

I enjoy the operations, I think the rewards are fine enough. I wish there were more operations, for different tiers though.

I used to play ops because they are fun, now  i don't play as much because there's a lack of variety, i must have hundreds of battles in each one of them.

I'm a casual player, a F2P player for the most part of the year and Halo ops did give 19 point captains, so How can i miss this golden opportunity of taking advantage of that?

Farming elite XP for my starving captains.

Thanks to last year Halo ops now i have 4 x 19 points captains.

Now i can farm Elite XP with the flags that i saved through out the year with my own captains and i'm finding out that the rewards (Elite XP) are not only ok in ops but the income it's more reliable than with any other mode

yesterday i just did 400 k elite XP with not that many battles, around 30 k(ish) in each battle.

regular ops has been even more reliable than Hallo ops

 

[DFens_666]

On 11/7/2020 at 3:18 PM, Butterdoll said:

sorry @DFens_666 but no.

 

Lets put it like this:

Is it worth for you? Yes

Is it worth for me? No

 

I just would like to get more rewards if i choose to do a 4man Narai because its actually challenging to do.

[lovelacebeer]

I cannot say I have noticed the change in rewards but that's only because I like playing Ops for fun so don't really think about the rewards.

 

I find the premise entertaining and a damn sight less stressful than randoms. It's  a pity WG lost interest in them, but I guess they became a threat too the population of random battles. 

[Nov_A]

On 11/7/2020 at 12:11 PM, Butterdoll said:

Personally i don't know what to think, it could be mainly due to my lack of experience with economic flags.

Everyone said Ops rewards was nerfed, Narai ops was nerfed, which I'm not contesting it. But in comparison with last year Hallo ops seems fine to me.

[...]

Bottom line is, they give literally the same.

Because they reversed the nerf, after realizing that the few people who actually play OPs, play them for said economic reasons and their intended/stated reason of "fixing technical problems" was not really what the playerbase interpreted as a reduction of XP. Some problems were fixed, others still persist.

 

Going for TPs in Narai and doing well in the endgame gives you at least 1800 base XP - guaranteed. I do somewhat dailies on my Shchors for 15'000 XP with all the flags on it to re-grind the line. During the short time of said nerf, you got like 1500 base XP max for doing the same. It is cozy to play, especially with BBs, as you can do something on the side and dont have to worry, besides shooting every 30s when you get a team from the OP channel.

[DFens_666]

15 minutes ago, Nov_A said:

Going for TPs in Narai and doing well in the endgame gives you at least 1800 base XP - guaranteed. I do somewhat dailies on my Shchors for 15'000 XP with all the flags on it to re-grind the line. During the short time of said nerf, you got like 1500 base XP max for doing the same. It is cozy to play, especially with BBs, as you can do something on the side and dont have to worry, besides shooting every 30s when you get a team from the OP channel. 

 

Yeah i wish?

 

 

Looking at this right now, i wonder why the XP is bad to begin with actually...

[ForlornSailor]

On 11/7/2020 at 3:49 PM, Butterdoll said:

almost 50 k just now, in a 4 stars win i don't know why they let the transports run, but they got away.

 

How the did you get 1900 base XP with that result on a 4 star win?? doesnt add up unless the last updated buffed the XP.

[DFens_666]

On 11/7/2020 at 3:49 PM, Butterdoll said:

almost 50 k just now, in a 4 stars win i don't know why they let the transports run, but they got away. 

 

Do you recall which task failed? Im actually baffled right now... WG deliberately nerfing 5 star wins? Wouldnt be surprised LOL

[Butterdoll]

4 hours ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Lets put it like this:

Is it worth for you? Yes

Is it worth for me? No

 

I just would like to get more rewards if i choose to do a 4man Narai because its actually challenging to do.

 

if it's worth to go for Elite XP?

Yes. I understand that you don't need it but i have t10 and t9 captains with less points than my t4 captains. And having the battles i have in some ships doesn't help either.

You may need credits and XP for your t10 battles, but i didn't cross that bridge yet, for now i need to feed my captains.

If it's worth doing it in Ops?

Doing it in regular ops turned out to be even more reliable than random or even Hallo ops. Like i said in 1 day i did almost 400 k with not that many battles

 

3 hours ago, ForlornSailor said:

 

How the did you get 1900 base XP with that result on a 4 star win?? doesnt add up unless the last updated buffed the XP.

 

I don't know, i killed at least 2 dds, destroyed a fort, and went for the cv, alone,  then i pushed in near the map border and stayed there and survived and i had an achievement.

Objectives, right?

I've got almost 50 k in that game but how much would i get if someone killed the transport ships? I don't know either.

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Do you recall which task failed? Im actually baffled right now... WG deliberately nerfing 5 star wins? Wouldnt be surprised LOL

 

The transport ships got away.

[Nov_A]

6 hours ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Yeah i wish?

 

 

Looking at this right now, i wonder why the XP is bad to begin with actually...

lel wut

 

How many players were in your div? My daily Shchors game today was 1700 base XP with like 220k dmg.

I am going to make a screenshot in my next daily.