[ARYA] Admiral_AHR_TheNightmare Players 5 posts 11,146 battles Report post #1 Posted November 7, 2020 I think it's time for WG to bring some ships like Missouri, black, flint, original belfast, Kronstadt back to the game. and they shouldn't come for doubloons or buy with cash! STEEL or Coal! what do you think?! 4 6 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] 159Hunter Players 4,528 posts Report post #2 Posted November 7, 2020 Black and Fmint will return for coal. Belfast and Missouri won't, they are in the cash grab christmas containers with the other unbalanceable ships. No idea where Kron stands. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_HomTanks_ Players 3,368 posts 37,429 battles Report post #3 Posted November 7, 2020 14 minutes ago, Admiral_AHR_TheNightmare said: I think it's time for WG to bring some ships like Missouri, black, flint, original belfast, Kronstadt back to the game. and they shouldn't come for doubloons or buy with cash! STEEL or Coal! what do you think?! No. There was a reason for their removal. Black, Flint and Neutra will be available for coal at a date WG set or yet to be set which is publicly unknown . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ARYA] Admiral_AHR_TheNightmare Players 5 posts 11,146 battles Report post #4 Posted November 7, 2020 36 minutes ago, Execute0rder66 said: No. There was a reason for their removal. Black, Flint and Neutra will be available for coal at a date WG set or yet to be set which is publicly unknown . why? because they were better than this fake ships that WG sell now!? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taliesn Players 2,238 posts 16,405 battles Report post #5 Posted November 7, 2020 42 minutes ago, Execute0rder66 said: No. There was a reason for their removal. Black, Flint and Neutra will be available for coal at a date WG set or yet to be set which is publicly unknown . In fairness, and unlike Belfast, Missouri is an ok ship perfomance wise that just happens to print money like no other in game, but I'm not sure her impact on the economy would be as stark now as how it was two, three years ago. Belfast and Kutuzov were rightly removed from the game. So was Smolensk, for different reasons. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DREAD] 1MajorKoenig Players 13,110 posts 7,885 battles Report post #6 Posted November 7, 2020 1 hour ago, 159Hunter said: No idea where Kron stands. Kronstadt is a nice little ship and there wouldn’t be an issue with her returning. I doubt she would be overly popular though with people having Stalingrads and Moskvas for the most part 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[L4GG] Butterdoll Players 3,470 posts 11,414 battles Report post #7 Posted November 7, 2020 when i saw the title of this topic i was like... yeah cool topic. But i was thinking more along the lines of the old t10 IJN ship (i can't remember it's name) before Zao and other ships like it. it was before my time. Why it was removed? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SINT] Jvd2000 Players 1,639 posts 31,167 battles Report post #8 Posted November 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said: Kronstadt is a nice little ship and there wouldn’t be an issue with her returning. I doubt she would be overly popular though with people having Stalingrads and Moskvas for the most part I thought that Kronstadt ( and Musashi) were removed because WG wanted to change the cost of FXP T9 from 750 k FXP up to 1 million. Atleast Kronstadt is not stronger then the current available supercruisers. And I don’t remember it being in shop that long warranting her removal.. Musashi can be considered OP somewhat for having 460’s at T9. Smolensk had its own problems and JB was “ too” populair...although a JB Black seems not to be a problem for WG..Belfast is considered too good for her tier. Kutozov already way less. GC is rather strong at her T5. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-AP-] OzgurAtlas Players 79 posts 10,897 battles Report post #9 Posted November 7, 2020 Im still waiting for the Shinano. 8 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #10 Posted November 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Admiral_AHR_TheNightmare said: why? because they were better than this fake ships that WG sell now!? What is fake about Belfast 43? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-TPF-] invicta2012 Players 6,382 posts 26,855 battles Report post #11 Posted November 7, 2020 I would like WG to provide a premium Iowa class. Doesn't have to be the Return of Missouri, could just as well be New Jersey or Wisconsin (historic ships) or Illinois/Kentucky with some post-war tweaks to weaponry (Combine the 5 inch/54 secondaries from Montana with the 3 inch automatic loading AA from Worcester/Des Moines). No need to be a credit printer, just to have the general Economic bonuses of a Premium ship. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DREAD] 1MajorKoenig Players 13,110 posts 7,885 battles Report post #12 Posted November 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Butterdoll said: when i saw the title of this topic i was like... yeah cool topic. But i was thinking more along the lines of the old t10 IJN ship (i can't remember it's name) before Zao and other ships like it. it was before my time. Why it was removed? There was a different T10 cruiser? As far as I know WG only changed some names. Zao was called Senyo I believe and Myogi is also the second name of that ship. Forgot the initial name though - it’s been a while 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-URK-] wot_2016_gunner Players 2,588 posts 6,830 battles Report post #13 Posted November 7, 2020 2 ore fa, 159Hunter ha scritto: No idea where Kron stands. I mean, why would you want Kronny when you can get Alaska . OG Belfast was OP back then, because smoke+radar+hydro was a pretty broken combo, right now it's still pretty strong but not as much as before. Still now they released Belfast 1943, so forget the OG Belfast coming back. Missouri wasn't removed because she was OP; yes, she has radar, which on a BB is mostly defensive, you mostly use it to spot DDs spotting you, other than that it's just an Iowa. Missouri was removed because it literally broke the economy, because she has the best credit modifier in game it makes so much credits. Fun fact, Missouri's credit modifier was orignally intended to be the standard credit modifier for the Tier 9 premiums, but since it made too much money, WG basically nerfed it to everyone else, so that now Tier 9s have their own modifier (which is still only second to Missouri's) and Missouri has her own. Black, Flint and Неустрашимый were removed for steel as they weren't as popular as WG wanted (iirc), so they will come back for coal at some point. 44 minuti fa, ozgur7freeman ha scritto: Im still waiting for the Shinano I wan't Shinano as well, i can see her as a Tier 10 Kaga 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mad_Dog_Dante Players 6,636 posts Report post #14 Posted November 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Admiral_AHR_TheNightmare said: I think it's time for WG to bring some ships like Missouri, black, flint, original belfast, Kronstadt back to the game. and they shouldn't come for doubloons or buy with cash! STEEL or Coal! what do you think?! I think not because it will drive down the fictional resell value of my veteran account Spoiler because I have them and i wanna feel spehshul 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_HomTanks_ Players 3,368 posts 37,429 battles Report post #15 Posted November 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Admiral_AHR_TheNightmare said: why? because they were better than this fake ships that WG sell now!? AFAIR in most cases WG explained why they removed the ships. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_HomTanks_ Players 3,368 posts 37,429 battles Report post #16 Posted November 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Taliesn said: In fairness, and unlike Belfast, Missouri is an ok ship perfomance wise that just happens to print money like no other in game, but I'm not sure her impact on the economy would be as stark now as how it was two, three years ago. Belfast and Kutuzov were rightly removed from the game. So was Smolensk, for different reasons. Same as I answered Admiral_AHR but also my personal opinion (may be right may be wrong) on why Missouri wouldn't come back is WG wouldn't want a radar BB accessible to everyone, wouldn't want everyone to have the ship that brings best economy in the game because it would make easier for everyone to level up without getting premium time, wouldn't want to exclude it from NY crates which is a big yearly revenue for them and wouldn't want to change the tradition of replacing ships with new ones by bringing it back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] rimmer_the Players 407 posts Report post #17 Posted November 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Execute0rder66 said: No. There was a reason for their removal. Black, Flint and Neutra will be available for coal at a date WG set or yet to be set which is publicly unknown . That argument falls flat as Thunderee and Smolensk are still in the game. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_HomTanks_ Players 3,368 posts 37,429 battles Report post #18 Posted November 7, 2020 Just now, rimmer_the said: That argument falls flat as Thunderee and Smolensk are still in the game. There is no argument. You taking facts as an argument is your problem. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] rimmer_the Players 407 posts Report post #19 Posted November 7, 2020 24 minutes ago, wot_2016_gunner said: Неустрашимый Who ? I can't read cyrillic fully yet. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-URK-] wot_2016_gunner Players 2,588 posts 6,830 battles Report post #20 Posted November 7, 2020 Proprio ora, rimmer_the ha scritto: Who ? I can't read cyrillic fully yet. Neustrashimy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[L4GG] Butterdoll Players 3,470 posts 11,414 battles Report post #21 Posted November 7, 2020 23 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said: There was a different T10 cruiser? As far as I know WG only changed some names. Zao was called Senyo I believe and Myogi is also the second name of that ship. Forgot the initial name though - it’s been a while I think was a ship... i think the name started with a T (not takao). 3 minutes ago, Europizza said: because I have them and i wanna feel spehshul You can feel a bit special afterwards i only wanted 3 ships. Flint - back in the day when you saw a Flint, you knew and you trembled, i think no other ship not even black or bigger ships... i gulped, i paused to reflect so many times especially if that Flint had a jolly roger, when i saw one i would throw prioritizing out of the window and spam f3 like a [edited]. I want one and i'll get one. Kutuzov and Kron. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_HomTanks_ Players 3,368 posts 37,429 battles Report post #22 Posted November 7, 2020 53 minutes ago, invicta2012 said: I would like WG to provide a premium Iowa class. Doesn't have to be the Return of Missouri, could just as well be New Jersey or Wisconsin (historic ships) or Illinois/Kentucky with some post-war tweaks to weaponry (Combine the 5 inch/54 secondaries from Montana with the 3 inch automatic loading AA from Worcester/Des Moines). No need to be a credit printer, just to have the general Economic bonuses of a Premium ship. What you are offering is very reasonable and doable (and probably should be done) but I'm afraid the OP is after the radar + best economy BB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[--] Captain_Newman Players 2,147 posts 16,474 battles Report post #23 Posted November 7, 2020 Why would WG give you stuff like Missouri, Kron, Belfast etc for coal or steel when they can make you fork over obscene amounts of money for Christmas crates in the hopes they'll drop, instead? Let's not even pretend removing them was about preserving the balance in any way. Some of these aren't even OP (such as Missouri or Kronstadt, good yes, OP no), but the moment they create a sought after rare, they create a massive income on Christmas boxes. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-TPF-] invicta2012 Players 6,382 posts 26,855 battles Report post #24 Posted November 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, Execute0rder66 said: What you are offering is very reasonable and doable (and probably should be done) but I'm afraid the OP is after the radar + best economy BB. Get ready to pay for Santa Boxes, then. Radar BBs are one of those curious things I've never quite understood. Is it such a massive advantage? Presumably they could put a 12.5k radar on a Lion (or another very stealthy BB) and it could spot before it was spotted - which might be a bit OP - but not on something the size of an Iowa? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_HomTanks_ Players 3,368 posts 37,429 battles Report post #25 Posted November 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, invicta2012 said: Radar BBs are one of those curious things I've never quite understood. Is it such a massive advantage? My opinion, not really. If a dd is closer than 9.5KM radar range of your Missouri, it usually means you are about to eat some torps and there has been no CV or DD support and likely there won't be. Also, you won't be able to one shot him even if you radar. Let's not say the radar is useless but it is very situational. When i play Missouri, i only play it for its economy, or don't play it at all. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
