Premium Shop: Belfast '43

[The_EURL_Guy]

Get your own British light cruiser with a wide variety of consumables!

Read it on the portal

[Gloatover]

Short-Burst Smoke Generator with 2 charges, no ty... 

[YabbaCoe]

Před 33 minutami Gloatover řekl/a:

Short-Burst Smoke Generator with 2 charges, no ty... 

There should be 4 charges of this smoke in default, Superintendant even makes it 5. Also how many times per battle you manage to use short-burst smoke?

Also this Belfast has plenty other really interesting things

[ChatBanForSayingTruth]

7 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

There should be 4 charges of this smoke in default, Superintendant even makes it 5. Also how many times per battle you manage to use short-burst smoke?

Also this Belfast has plenty other really interesting things

...like being deleted by every tier 10 battleships or CVs?

being tier 8 is big disadvantage comparing to original Belfast.

[YabbaCoe]

Před 6 minutami _Robertas_ řekl/a:

...like being deleted by every tier 10 battleships or CVs?

being tier 8 is big disadvantage comparing to original Belfast.

That is true. So what do you think. As tier VII Belfast is being considered as OP, is Belfast 43 also OP, balanced or weak?

[xxHELIOS]

Il y a 25 minutes, YabbaCoe a dit :

That is true. So what do you think. As tier VII Belfast is being considered as OP, is Belfast 43 also OP, balanced or weak?

I'm quite ok with release stats except AA that is trash, Devs should think about AA buff / ADD fighter or AA DEF in separate slot,

or add heal 

[Gloatover]

12 hours ago, YabbaCoe said:

There should be 4 charges of this smoke in default, Superintendant even makes it 5. Also how many times per battle you manage to use short-burst smoke?

Also this Belfast has plenty other really interesting things

Ok then why should I choose it instead of a free Edinburgh while it doesn't have any heal party?

 

Also very limited short-burst smoke generator, no repair party, only 9km radar with a short duration and a shorter range torps and etc...

 

https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Edinburgh

https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Belfast_'43

[Major_Boobage_]

Everyone who has the original Belfast is just laughing at the new one. Not only is it a tier higher it has a much longer reload and a much shorter smoke duration. 0.5 increase in radar range and torps don't make up for the things it loss. 

[_interceptor_80]

After realising few ''balancing'' new lines you expecting some OP tier 8 premium? Don't be funny...

[Aragathor]

I own the original Belfast and the EdinBRUH with a perma camo. No reason to open the wallet here.

 

[Maris_Piper]

Well my Wallet was primed and ready, Totally Gutted. No heal, 10 second reload, Crappy short burst smoke in a Lunking Great  Cruiser and Matchmaking shafting it with T9/10 games. Another WG 2020 Ship probably built to accompany the Mighty Cheshire 

[DanSilverwing]

 

I could use a decent Premium T8 Cruiser for Operations.

Wait. No. There are no Operations for T8 Cruisers anymore.

Wait. No. Pve is not a priority for WG because pve mains don't buy Premium ships for Operations or Premium Time so there is no profit for WG.

Guess I'll keep my money then.

[Whistler1984]

So the original Belfast is tier 7 and based on a post-war refit, but the 1943 version is tier 8.... that doesn't make a lot of sense, a more modern ship should on paper be superior. Game wise a mediocre 3 torp broadside isn't enough to push it up a tier, never mind the massively nerfed rate of fire and (IMO) crappier smoke generator. It also only has 250hp more than the tier 7 Belfast. In a 1-on-1 OG Belfast will crap all over this. 

 

Thank god I got the original on a black friday sale years ago. 

[Maris_Piper]

23 minutes ago, Whistler1984 said:

the tier 7 Belfast. In a 1-on-1 OG Belfast will crap all over this.

I reckon Fiji would give it a good go as well

[Reaper13sa]

Why not just move the existing tier 7 Belfast up to tier 8  simple... you did that with the Saipan and Kaga!

[buccaneer_invader]

Will the BELFAST STILL BE ON SALE IN JANUARY. HAVE TO SUPPORT FAMILY WHILE THEY ON FURLOU.

[buccaneer_invader]

4 hours ago, The_EURL_Guy said:

Get your own British light cruiser with a wide variety of consumables!

Read it on the portal

Will purchase in January if still for sale.  Family on furlough and have to help them 1st. THANKS.

[invicta2012]

3 hours ago, YabbaCoe said:

That is true. So what do you think. As tier VII Belfast is being considered as OP, is Belfast 43 also OP, balanced or weak?

It looks a bit... balanced.  

 

Smoke+radar is a potent combo - too potent for Tier VII, still situationally strong at Tier VIII - but with that reload speed it looks out DPM'd by most Tier VII and VIII cruisers, and on a very typical eggshell RN cruiser hull without the heal that's going to be a very dangerous game.  This feels more like an Albemarle/Cheshire/Neptune experience, probably a bit stressful for me....

[Whistler1984]

3 hours ago, YabbaCoe said:

That is true. So what do you think. As tier VII Belfast is being considered as OP, is Belfast 43 also OP, balanced or weak?

My comparison to the tier 7 Belfast aside, this tier 8 version is still weak especially when uptiered against T9 and T10. 

 

If you just increase the ROF a bit to about 8.5-9 secs and give it a rear exhaust generator like the Italian ships that would give it a better edge and make it play a bit differently to the rest of the RN CL line. 

[tsounts]

4 hours ago, YabbaCoe said:

There should be 4 charges of this smoke in default, Superintendant even makes it 5. Also how many times per battle you manage to use short-burst smoke?

Also this Belfast has plenty other really interesting things

Interesting things? Like attracting potato players that expect they'll do well just because they bought themselves a tier 8 RN cruiser with some gimmicks...

[Panocek]

4 hours ago, YabbaCoe said:

That is true. So what do you think. As tier VII Belfast is being considered as OP, is Belfast 43 also OP, balanced or weak?

Not interesting as a ship I'd actually play, let alone pay for it. CL with gun reload almost in CA territory, low fire chance of 9%, weak torpedo set, smoke that isn't quite conductive for shooting from one, as you can get only 4, maybe 5 salvos off before its gone.

 

The way I see it, Bel'43 is T7 material, while T7 Belfast is T8. WG can into balans as usual?

[WWDragon]

11 hours ago, YabbaCoe said:

That is true. So what do you think. As tier VII Belfast is being considered as OP, is Belfast 43 also OP, balanced or weak?

I will simply go over what Belfast have at tier VII that is not normal ... first, a 5th upgrade slot so it can run Concealment module (granted, so does Z-39 and the fact nobody calls it OP should say something about German DDs), second is Radar that Atlanta also received with Indianapolis being the 3rd tier VII ships with Radar (with Indy having 10 km vs 8.5 km of the other 2) as well Smoke that only Flint and Fiji have at the same tier but they lack Radar, they cannot spot in smoke ... Belfast can and I already listed the number of ships that can detect her and their radar ranges.

 

Now look at Tier VIII ... why does Edinburgh have a heal? Its not standard at Tier VIII for cruisers to have repair party and this is because of the range and armor and potential enemies, without it the ship lacks the range, mobility or armor to survive and Edinburgh can use smoke, radar at her tier is far more common.

 

What WG did was released a nerfed Edinburgh removing one of the major survivability tool of the ship and replaced it with worst Smoke, worst torpedoes, worst reload, worst ammunition , worst AA (if was any doubt that WG doesnt understand AA is then saying this is a upgrade over the Tier VII) and for what? Radar that lasts 30 seconds fully upgraded (Edinburgh Radar duration without the upgrade) and ability to use short duration smokes that last what? 30 seconds of Smoke+Radar that is exactly TWO salvos ... both Belfast can face the supercruisers but amazing enough the "higher tiered" one is worst off taking a DPM penalty and worst smoke, at least the T7 can shoot for longer under smoke defense.

 

You wanted a worst Belfast, you got it ... but you dont nerf Belfast and move it up a tier and call it balanced ... if you want to replace Edinburgh superheal with a smoke the its a proper smoke, not worst version because you can use it more often as that is not a replacement, also you dont remove Edinburgh AP shells with regular AP and reduce its reload because it have HE ... its regular HE, not the UK HE of the heavies and BBs, the reason RN CLs have a special AP is because they lack HE ... and Edinburgh already have DPM issues to begin.

 

Its a worst Edinburgh because WG was set into making a worst Belfast, they succeeded but this is NOT a Tier VIII ship.

[ZaalKoris_vas_QwibQwib]

I knew it that T8 Belfast is nothing special to begin with. Got it only because still afloat as a musem so in that respect Belfast is unique.

 

Performance. Very average, very. I don't subscribe to radar trounce everything, move not camp. I don't run my with radar. This Belfast is like much worse Mogami 155 (not to mention Atago or PE). Worse because it has orbital ballistics and no powerful torpedoes to complement the guns. WTH standard Brit CL heal was removed is complete mystery to me. T8 Belfast is a ship to stay at 15.7 km and spam HE at anything (preferably stationary) visible and pray to whatever that nobody is seeing you. 

 

It's mildly average (very expensive) premium, not as horrendous as Oklahoma or Yahagi for example, but not Earth shattering by any measure. Yes in T6 game sure can do fun things, but 95% of games will be T10. Good luck with that - especially CVs, yummy. Want excellent T8 cruiser - get a free Chapayev or Hipper and thank me later. 

 

For a month T8 Belfast is less worse because of that 200% exp mission. 

[Saint_Butcher]

WG could have changed the smoke radar combo to smoke or radar like in the tech tree for the light cruisers, maybe adding a repair party or powerful AA (which is sadly rare these days). The problem is smoke radar combi is so potent that the ship needs other weaknesses to compensate for it, otherwise it would be straight up OP. Better give up that gimmick and make the ship overall useful and enjoyable.

[Maris_Piper]

The sad thing is it would have been so easy to make this a good ship, I've just read so many feasible idea's and we could have had a Great Example of  the Royal Navy's few preserved ships in the game, now that chance is gone, and we have This Thing. but I can take a few lessons from this and other ship releases in 2020

1. Don't get your hopes up

2. Be very careful of some ship reviewers

3. Wait and see what the players say

Just my opinion, Off to play Fiji now, Quality Ship