Changes Destroy WOW

[GrandAsmiral]

What happened to World of Warships. it used to be great. Now all turned to crap.

For example: what is wrong with service costs? Even if you win game and your ship sinks you are fucked, you lose money and everyone who owns American cruisers should understand.

their armor is not that strong, their detection range is huge and their AP shells should be effective, but no. those shells penetrate crap, they are just like normal AP shells wtf and because of that you cant kill enemy cruisers sooner than they do even if you hit well, because of that you sink and because of that money goes to [edited]drain. Unless you buy premium you are stuck. You cant buy new ship, which means only whose who pay can win. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!

So I ask again what the [edited]happened to this game? Can anyone explain? 

[Ginger_Merkin_RN]

35 minutes ago, GrandAsmiral said:

What happened to World of Warships. it used to be great. Now all turned to crap.

For example: what is wrong with service costs? Even if you win game and your ship sinks you are fucked, you lose money and everyone who owns American cruisers should understand.

their armor is not that strong, their detection range is huge and their AP shells should be effective, but no. those shells penetrate crap, they are just like normal AP shells wtf and because of that you cant kill enemy cruisers sooner than they do even if you hit well, because of that you sink and because of that money goes to [edited]drain. Unless you buy premium you are stuck. You cant buy new ship, which means only whose who pay can win. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!

So I ask again what the [edited]happened to this game? Can anyone explain? 

I agree completely, the fun is almost gone altogether. I played premium account for over 5 years and as of 2 months ago, not a single penny and last year I quit for a few months during the CV rework fiasco and again at the beginning of this year.

 

The addition of Tone and how it is entered in the MM,  many ships in T10 T9 especially, but not exclusively,  I no longer play above T 7 and lately I have really enjoyed T3 and T4 some of those matches are good fun and much more evenly balanced.  

Fondly I remember when ATLANTA or BELFAST were among standard problems.

 

I won't reel off a list of OP ships in the game, there are many. It was a really simple fun to play sea power game, based primarily in early 20th century earth.  WG are now simply money making. No doubt that any game requires funding from its players.  

Do not be surprised if this thread gets shut down, there are others on a similar theme.

 

Not to mention any random bias, but of course that doesn't happen in online forums...

 

I played War Commander for about 6 years, it went the same way. From simple fun to very expensive tedium. maybe it's the fate of any game. At its hight, world wide, war commander had around 5 million players. I haven't looked for 2 years but it was down to around 1 million. It would be really interesting to discover how many unused accounts WoWs has. World of Tanks is the same by the way...

 

[PeteEarthling]

1 minute ago, Ginger_Merkin_RN said:

The addition of Tone and other ships in T 10

Tone will be T8, not T10. A historical aircraft carrying cruiser.

 

Which is, as a sidenote, the closest to a CV the Soviet/Russian navy ever got (Kiev & Kuznetsov class). 

 

[ForlornSailor]

45 minutes ago, GrandAsmiral said:

For example: what is wrong with service costs?

 

Yea, they lowered the service costs so hard, that everyone makes a profit these days.

[DFens_666]

46 minutes ago, GrandAsmiral said:

For example: what is wrong with service costs? Even if you win game and your ship sinks you are fucked, you lose money and everyone who owns American cruisers should understand.

their armor is not that strong, their detection range is huge and their AP shells should be effective, but no. those shells penetrate crap, they are just like normal AP shells wtf and because of that you cant kill enemy cruisers sooner than they do even if you hit well, because of that you sink and because of that money goes to [edited]drain. Unless you buy premium you are stuck. You cant buy new ship, which means only whose who pay can win. WTF!!!!!!!!!!! 

So I ask again what the [edited]happened to this game? Can anyone explain? 

 

1. Economy is much more forgiving than it used to. You dont have to buy premium consumables, you have them 4 free.

2. Whether you sink or not doesnt affect service costs

3. What have US cruisers got to do with that? They have very good concealment compared to others. Armor for US CAs is better than many other Cruisers, CLs are not worse than others.

4. US Cruiser AP is only really good on T8+ CAs. That doesnt mean, that the others shouldnt use AP, but they often get away with using HE.

5. Well, premium ships or prem acc is more necessary than it used to, since they made the grind easier. Just play more to gain credits. There is no pot of gold on TX. And its not p2w either. Its pay 2 advance faster.

6. A lot is wrong with this game, but other than you think.

[ColonelPete]

57 minutes ago, GrandAsmiral said:

What happened to World of Warships. it used to be great. Now all turned to crap.

For example: what is wrong with service costs? Even if you win game and your ship sinks you are fucked, you lose money and everyone who owns American cruisers should understand.

their armor is not that strong, their detection range is huge and their AP shells should be effective, but no. those shells penetrate crap, they are just like normal AP shells wtf and because of that you cant kill enemy cruisers sooner than they do even if you hit well, because of that you sink and because of that money goes to [edited]drain. Unless you buy premium you are stuck. You cant buy new ship, which means only whose who pay can win. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!

So I ask again what the [edited]happened to this game? Can anyone explain? 

• we have service costs in the game since the beginning, they even got reduced, game is still running
• CL are squishy since the beginning, game is still running
• US CL AP works great, when you know how...
• players play for free since the beginning and they still are

What are you talking about? What changes do you mean? You mentioned NONE!!

[GrandAsmiral]

 You guys must be kidding right?

just today i played with tier 9 cruiser, we won, but unfortunately i got sunk, the reward was 83 000, but [Edited]( I wrote this way so it wont get edited) service was 120 000.

if you know math its sum will be -37 000. So please explain how is it acceptable. 

And yes i know that there always was service cost, if you say that they lowered it than it means they lowered the reward. So who gives a [edited] , if you get free consumable

DFens_666 friend American cruiser Bufalo is tier 9 cruiser its detectability is 13 km. if you don't believe me check, almost any other cruiser except Americans has 10 km detectabily, so how is that fair.

and about armor its piece of crap, weaker than bufalo's armor  is i think english cruisers. which get damaged by shell of destroyers and you tell me it is all great in game. Man you are dreaming, no offense.

 

Edited by Immoxb, mod; Please watch your language.

[Camperdown]

1 hour ago, GrandAsmiral said:

What happened to World of Warships. it used to be great. Now all turned to crap.

For example: what is wrong with service costs? Even if you win game and your ship sinks you are fucked, you lose money and everyone who owns American cruisers should understand.

their armor is not that strong, their detection range is huge and their AP shells should be effective, but no. those shells penetrate crap, they are just like normal AP shells wtf and because of that you cant kill enemy cruisers sooner than they do even if you hit well, because of that you sink and because of that money goes to [edited]drain. Unless you buy premium you are stuck. You cant buy new ship, which means only whose who pay can win. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!

So I ask again what the [edited]happened to this game? Can anyone explain? 

What happened in just 234 games? Horrible 

[ColonelPete]

Just now, GrandAsmiral said:

 You guys must be kidding right?

just today i played with tier 9 cruiser, we won, but unfortunately i got sunk, the reward was 83 000, but f u c k i n g( I wrote this way so it wont get edited) service was 120 000.

if you know math its sum will be -37 000. So please explain how is it acceptable.

As explained, that is NO change. In the past it was even worse!

How can this destroy the game, when the game runs with this for over 5 years? Please explain!

 

[GrandAsmiral]

i played this game from the beginning, it was never this idiotic. I don't know what do you mean it was worse i never had problem  with making money before until now.

 

 

[ObiWankov]

yes, economy so harsh   

 

 

[GrandAsmiral]

I said it will destroy this game because if WOW becomes pay and win kind of game it will be piece of crap and anyone with right mind will not play it

 

[DFens_666]

3 minutes ago, GrandAsmiral said:

DFens_666 friend American cruiser Bufalo is tier 9 cruiser its detectability is 13 km. if you don't believe me check, almost any other cruiser except Americans has 10 km detectabily, so how is that fair.

and about armor its piece of crap, weaker than bufalo's armor  is i think english cruisers. which get damaged by shell of destroyers and you tell me it is all great in game. Man you are dreaming, no offense.

Base values here, so its without CE and concealment mod:

 

Buffalo 13,2

Roon 14

Drake 12,8

Brindisi 15,1

Saint-Louis 14,5

Riga 14,9

Ibuki 12,2

 

So thats 3rd best amongst all heavy Cruisers. No need to look at Seattle/Neptune as they are light Cruisers with 152mm guns. They should have better concealment. If other Cruisers have better concealment, its because you dont have the right captain skills and modules.

 

6 minutes ago, GrandAsmiral said:

just today i played with tier 9 cruiser, we won, but unfortunately i got sunk, the reward was 83 000, but f u c k i n g( I wrote this way so it wont get edited) service was 120 000. 

if you know math its sum will be -37 000. So please explain how is it acceptable. 

 

When you deal more damage, especially to DDs and Cruisers, you get more credits. Also use flags like Zulu and India Bravo Terrathree. First gives more credits, latter reduces your service cost.

 

Its easier to become a better player than to keep complaining how broken this game supposedly is.

[GrandAsmiral]

2 minutes ago, ObiWankov said:

yes, economy so harsh   

 

 

Good for you friend

[ForlornSailor]

10 minutes ago, GrandAsmiral said:

just today i played with tier 9 cruiser, we won, but unfortunately i got sunk, the reward was 83 000, but f u c k i n g( I wrote this way so it wont get edited) service was 120 000. 

if you know math its sum will be -37 000. So please explain how is it acceptable. 

Show us the screenshot?

[ColonelPete]

3 minutes ago, GrandAsmiral said:

I said it will destroy this game because if WOW becomes pay and win kind of game it will be piece of crap and anyone with right mind will not play it

The game is not pay to win. And this has nothing to do with the ingame economy...

The ingame economy as a whole is MUCH softer than 5 and even 3 years ago. I have a feeling you have no idea how the game worked in the past.

[GrandAsmiral]

3 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

Show us the screenshot?

I should have taken but I did not. So i don't have screenshot sorry

I played this game before my friend and loved it, but i didn't play 14 412 battles of course but i had no complaints. they improved many things i understand that , but they fucked up some  too

you can defend this game as much as you like, its your right, but  unfortunately you ARE WRONG.

[SV_Kompresor]

1 hour ago, GrandAsmiral said:

What happened to World of Warships. it used to be great. Now all turned to crap.

For example: what is wrong with service costs? Even if you win game and your ship sinks you are fucked, you lose money and everyone who owns American cruisers should understand.

their armor is not that strong, their detection range is huge and their AP shells should be effective, but no. those shells penetrate crap, they are just like normal AP shells wtf and because of that you cant kill enemy cruisers sooner than they do even if you hit well, because of that you sink and because of that money goes to [edited]drain. Unless you buy premium you are stuck. You cant buy new ship, which means only whose who pay can win. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!

So I ask again what the [edited]happened to this game? Can anyone explain? 

You are absolutely correct. The change where the economy was made more forgiving was a bad one. It should be changed back to a more harsh one so people like you can't play high tiers. (Although that already seems to be the case even in the current economy somehow)

 

Also US cruiser concealment is fine and their AP is really good. I'm sorry but you just don't know anything about the game.

[GrandAsmiral]

3 minutes ago, domen3 said:

You are absolutely correct. The change where the economy was made more forgiving was a bad one. It should be changed back to a more harsh one so people like this guy here can't play high tiers. (Although that already seems to be the case even in the current economy somehow)

 

Also US cruiser concealment is fine and their AP is really good. You just don't know anything about the game.

So many professors its great, but little disappointing

Its like i am talking to game developers who need to justify screw ups

[eliastion]

25 minutes ago, GrandAsmiral said:

 You guys must be kidding right?

just today i played with tier 9 cruiser, we won, but unfortunately i got sunk, the reward was 83 000, but f u c k i n g( I wrote this way so it wont get edited) service was 120 000.

if you know math its sum will be -37 000. So please explain how is it acceptable. 

And yes i know that there always was service cost, if you say that they lowered it than it means they lowered the reward. So who gives a F U C K, if you get free consumable

DFens_666 friend American cruiser Bufalo is tier 9 cruiser its detectability is 13 km. if you don't believe me check, almost any other cruiser except Americans has 10 km detectabily, so how is that fair.

and about armor its piece of crap, weaker than bufalo's armor  is i think english cruisers. which get damaged by shell of destroyers and you tell me it is all great in game. Man you are dreaming, no offense.

 

Ok, not in order, but... I call BS on the concealment complaint regarding US cruisers.

1. Seattle is the best silver t9 cruiser concealment-wise.

2. Buffalo is #5 (out of 11), losing 1.4 km to the best (Seattle) and ahead by 2.4 ahead of the worst (Dmitri Donskoi). Not the best but FAR from the worst. And there's not a single t9 cruiser with sub-10km base concealment. The stealthy ones are capable of breaching 10km with full-stealth build. If you feel outspotted by every other cruiser, perhaps you're not running concealment module and/or concealment commander skill? They make a big difference.

 

Now, as for credits. I don't think victory actually factors into credit gains (it changes base experience but I've heard that it doesn't affect credits - although I can't be sure, since credits are a non-issue for me for a long time). As for being sunk - this part I am sure about: it doesn't change the service fee whatsoever, it's very easy to check. You pay service fee for getting into battle and you pay for ammo - and you get credits mostly for dealing damage and killing things. If you struggle making ends meet at t9 and don't want to get premium time/perma camos (and other lesser means of increasing credits gaim/reducing service fees), the only solution would be to go to lower tiers where earning credits is easier and earn there the credits to fuel high-tier spending.

 

PS: There is not a single ship in this game that can't be damaged by a destroyer shell. Even BBs have plenty fragile parts.

 

[SV_Kompresor]

6 minutes ago, GrandAsmiral said:

So many professors its great, but little disappointing

Its like i am talking to game developers who need to justify screw ups

Yes, the screw up where the game has gone to a point where even the worst players can consistently ruin top tiers due to a very forgiving economy.

[principat121]

19 hours ago, GrandAsmiral said:

[edited]

Did you ever concider that your bad game experience is not based on flawed game mechanics but rather your own poor game play? That your lack of understanding leads to disappointing results and thus negative income?

 

If not, I highly recommend you to google "dunning-kruger-effect". Thank me later, sir! 

[GrandAsmiral]

Its great to see that this game has such enthusiastic fans, delusional but enthusiastic.

Good for you guys

 

[Fatal_Ramses]

20 hours ago, GrandAsmiral said:

just today i played with tier 9 cruiser, we won, but unfortunately i got sunk, the reward was 83 000, but [edited]( I wrote this way so it wont get edited) service was 120 000.

if you know math its sum will be -37 000. So please explain how is it acceptable.

Are you playing CoOp, cause your stats don't show any random battles past tier 6 on this account?

otherwise, play better. More damage, more captures points.

Sinking don't matter to the post battle repair bill.

[GrandAsmiral]

1 minute ago, principat121 said:

Did you ever concider that your bad game experience is not based on hypothetical flawed game mechanics but rather your own poor game play? That your lack of understanding leads to disappointing results and thus negative income?

 

If not, I highly recommend you to google "dunning-kruger-effect". Thank me later, sir! 

Thank you now for your advice, but ....