Open letter to Sehales

[Butterdoll]

@Sehales Since the threads were locked and apparently you can't receive messages .

 

 

Just to drop by to say there's nothing wrong with the word Gay, if you take a look in a dictionary, any dictionary, you would see the word itself means a lot of things none of them related with sexuality, or go against any other rule of the game.

Certainly the word Gay A.K.A. light hearted, carefree, brightly coloured, showy and so on didn't commit any war crime   

 

There are players sailing around with rotten names, not specific ones but general ones like white power and supremacists or there about, i myself had a game +- a year ago with one of this guys, and he was calling niggers to all of us and things like heil hitler.

 

I don't see what's the problem of having a Gay Koala running around in the game.

 

I don't know the player, i'm not defending him, but i found unjust to censor a harmless name while other names, in your face names , are still allowed.

It's unfair and a very sedentary way to exercise the freedom of speech.

 

You said in a topic that you can't tells us how the thing works because it would only make it easier for the trolls.

 

But have you checked who made the report? Perhaps someone with a chip on the shoulder? someone less tolerant? Racist even?

 

Came on, we live in the western world, we live in a civilized world founded by Greeks, Spread by the Romans and carried by us. The Barbarians are a thing of the past. 

 

[ColonelPete]

6 minutes ago, Butterdoll said:

Came on, we live in the western world, we live in a civilized world founded by Greeks, Spread by the Romans and carried by us. The Barbarians are a thing of the past.

Really?

Have you ever tried going to a social hotspot and started calling random people gay?

[R3DR1D1NGH0OD]

I think you can't use the word gay in a name because there are players of different languages who don't know about all the definitions of that word and the most well known definition of it is of sexual identity. There are players who seriously would feel offended by having a "Gay" whatever on their team as in their culture/religion they actively try to censor these things. After all the statements given today by WG officials as to why it's not possible for them to make exceptions or preferential treatment this should just be accepted as such.

[Cyclops_]

Mmmm, I wonder if they will ever bring fast patrol boats in to counter Subs, the Royal Navy  had 12 of these, HMS GAY BOMBARDIER and her 11 sister ships would make an ideal anti sub hunting group.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

If a word might be an insult OR NOT its hard for mods to always check it's context (and especially automated systems can't do it).

 

So the easiest way is to ban it completelly.

 

But I agree there should be no double standards... but then again, some words might be offensive to some and in the same time not to others.

 

So this topic is not simple... hence that's why mods usually avoid discussion.

[UnterSeeBot]

1 minute ago, R3DR1D1NGH0OD said:

I think you can't use the word gay in a name because there are players of different languages who don't know about all the definitions of that word and the most well known definition of it is of sexual identity. There are players who seriously would feel offended by having a "Gay" whatever on their team as in their culture/religion they actively try to censor these things. After all the statements given today by WG officials as to why it's not possible for them to make exceptions or preferential treatment this should just be accepted as such.

The thinking part is where your comment goes wrong. Stop at think, and read the EULA before goign any further. Indeed, think some more, after reading the EULA.

[22cm]

14 minutes ago, Butterdoll said:

Came on, we live in the western world, we live in a civilized world founded by Greeks, Spread by the Romans and carried by us.

Yes, especially when the first two were so... open-minded.

 

[Verblonde]

9 minutes ago, Butterdoll said:

I don't see what's the problem of having a Gay Koala running around in the game.

IMO there is absolutely no problem whatsoever (I grew up in Brighton, so this point of view will surprise no-one), and the sort people who might be offended at the possibility are precisely the sort of people we should *want* to offend.

 

That said, the primary meaning of the word in current usage (to judge by the various online dictionary) does tend towards the fabulous.

 

In that context, and given the ghastly state of the world in which WG have to operate (as a commercial entity) - think Russia, Poland, and other places with backward folk in charge - I'm not really surprised that WG take the view they do, and have policies that align with that.

 

It sucks things that didn't ought to be sucked, but until the world changes for the better, I can't see WG doing much else...

[R3DR1D1NGH0OD]

Vor 1 Minute, LoveZeppelin sagte:

The thinking part is where your comment goes wrong. Stop at think, and read the EULA before goign any further. Indeed, think some more, after reading the EULA.

Explain it for me please in your very own interpretation before I really check and find that the EULA actually makes sense. It wouldn't be so nice if I made you look bad here :/

[UnterSeeBot]

4 minutes ago, nambr9 said:

If a word might be an insult OR NOT its hard for mods to always check it's context (especially automated systems).

 

So the easiest way is to ban it completelly.

But they haven't banned the word Gay.

The EULA does not mention it.
Statements of personal sexual preference are not banned, statements about sexual preference are only banned, when they are used to insult others.

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4.07 contain insults or derogatory comments based on race, nationality, religion, culture, mental stature, sex, or sexual preference

https://legal.eu.wargaming.net/en/game-rules-wows

The word gay is not derogatory, unless used in a derogatory manner.

1 minute ago, R3DR1D1NGH0OD said:

Explain it for me please in your very own interpretation before I really check and find that the EULA actually makes sense. It wouldn't be so nice if I made you look bad here :/

see the link. See art 4.07.

How do you feel now?

[Verblonde]

5 minutes ago, 22cm said:

Yes, especially when the first two were so... open-minded.

 

Don't say that - you'll get sued (recalling the ludicrous thing with the Alexander the Great biopic a few years back)...!

 

Instabuy for me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay-class_patrol_boat

 

Edit: preserved ship - make it so, WG (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Gay_Archer_(P1041))

[R3DR1D1NGH0OD]

Vor 1 Minute, LoveZeppelin sagte:

unless used in a derogatory manner. 

It is used by the majority of the online population in such a way and understood in such a way. Intellectuals are a minority.

[22cm]

18 minutes ago, Butterdoll said:

I don't see what's the problem of having a Gay Koala running around in the game.

 

I have no problem, unless he torps me in the back from the second line while being in my team.

[UnterSeeBot]

2 minutes ago, R3DR1D1NGH0OD said:

It is used by the majority of the online population in such a way and understood in such a way. Intellectuals are a minority.

I am lost for words.  

"I am gay" is not an insult, "I am a pink and yellow Panda" is not an insult either.

[R3DR1D1NGH0OD]

Gerade eben, LoveZeppelin sagte:

I am lost for words.  

Not only lost for words but also blind apparently.

[rimmer_the]

3 minutes ago, R3DR1D1NGH0OD said:

Not only lost for words but also blind apparently.

While I'm not one of the red text guys, can we at least keep this thread polite (and on-topic )? Or the chances of this thread being locked shall increase. 

[R3DR1D1NGH0OD]

Gerade eben, rimmer_the sagte:

While I'm not one of the red text guys, can we at least keep this thread polite and on-topic, or it will be locked even faster. 

You are right I apologize.

[UnterSeeBot]

2 minutes ago, R3DR1D1NGH0OD said:

Not only lost for words but also blind apparently.

Look I am sorry for you if you feel unable to use the word gay except as an insult. But that isn't my problem, and you are not the majority. You are one person with one opinion.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

5 minutes ago, LoveZeppelin said:

But they haven't banned the word Gay.

The EULA does not mention it.
Statements of personal sexual preference are not banned, statements abotu sexual preference are only banned, when they are used to insult others.

https://legal.eu.wargaming.net/en/game-rules-wows

The word gay is not derogatory, unless used in a derogatory manner.

see the link. See art 4.07.

 

Probably this one?

 

Rule 3.08: which have an association with sexuality

 

 

[R3DR1D1NGH0OD]

Vor 2 Minuten, LoveZeppelin sagte:

Look I am sorry for you if you feel unable to sue the word gay except as an insult. But that isn't my problem, and you are not the majority. You are one person with one opinion.

I never claimed to be a majority and I never said that I use that word in that way.

 

I am surprised that you and that's what I'm assuming, possibly deny the fact that "Gay" is used online as an insult more often than it is used to announce one's sexuality.

[UnterSeeBot]

3 minutes ago, nambr9 said:

 

Probably this one?

 

Rule 3.08: which have an association with sexuality

 

 

Article 3 does not concern usernames, only chat message content. Usernames are covered by articles 4.

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4. Names (Players and Clans), Avatars, Images/Video, Signatures & Clan logos

Article 3 does mention sexual preference, but

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3.04. Derogatory comments based on race, nationality, religion, culture, sex, or sexual preference are prohibited.

Only forbids derogatory comments. "I am gay" is not a derogatory comment.

[rimmer_the]

WG finally got people to read through the EULA properly... some good may come even of this. 

[R3DR1D1NGH0OD]

A name can be used to spread a message and as such falls under 3.

The original poster with that issue even admitted the motive of wanting to spread the message of his coming out.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

Just now, LoveZeppelin said:

Article 3 does not concern usernames, only chat message content. Usernames are covered by articles 4.

 

 

Then you have different rules than me.

 

 

[R3DR1D1NGH0OD]

Vor 1 Minute, nambr9 sagte:

 

Then you have different rules than me.

 

 

The plot thickens.