Next patch removes option to buy 250K freexp for 12.5k RP

[Measuperbia]

 

So.. Yeah they will remove the option 250K freeexp for 12.5k RB - Reason being stated above......

 

Why remove something because its inpopular? why not increasse it to 300K instead?

 

Or is is just that WG notice people are using this to get ships "too fast" ? 

[SkollUlfr]

can they remove emerald for the same reason?

[Klopirat]

4 minutes ago, Measuperbia said:

Or is is just that WG notice people are using this to get ships "too fast" ? 

how should this work?

 

And I have never met anybody who thought that exchanging (rare/valuable) research points to (ordinary) Free XP would be a good idea...

[Captain_Singleton]

6 minutes ago, Measuperbia said:

 

So.. Yeah they will remove the option 250K freeexp for 12.5k RB - Reason being stated above......

 

Why remove something because its inpopular? why not increasse it to 300K instead?

 

Or is is just that WG notice people are using this to get ships "too fast" ? 

because who in their right mind would exchange 12.5k RP's that are the equivalent to a minimum 630k xp in researched ships/free xp for 250k free xp?

[Allied_Winter]

Just now, Klopirat said:

And I have never met anybody who thought that exchanging (rare/valuable) research points to (ordinary) Free XP would be a good idea...

I do .... they are around ... although ... as stated in the patch notes ... not enough.

[firerider202]

Maybe you should change the title, as they won't remove 250k free xp from your account or anything like that.

Following that, you could do some math. How many resources do you have to invest for getting 12.5k RP?

If wg says no one used the option I fully believe them, simply because it makes absolutely no sense to buy that offer. To get ships too fast with this, you would either need to skip the regrind with free xp, or have a lot of boosting material. In case one, you spend more than you get. in case two you don't really need the free xp in the first place, and would focus on the ships.

 

[Allied_Winter]

3 minutes ago, firerider202 said:

Maybe you should change the title, as they won't remove 250k free xp from your account or anything like that.

@Measuperbia I changed the thread title for you to make it more clear about what your PSA was about.

[Sunleader]

4 minutes ago, Measuperbia said:

 

So.. Yeah they will remove the option 250K freeexp for 12.5k RB - Reason being stated above......

 

Why remove something because its inpopular? why not increasse it to 300K instead?

 

Or is is just that WG notice people are using this to get ships "too fast" ? 

 

Well.

WGs Idea was that People would Grind RP by Resetting Lines and Actually Playing Ships.

But People Refuse to Play Low Tier Ships for a Reason. And so instead what they do is to Spend Free Exp to just Skip the Low Tier Ships.

 

Of course it costs 700k Free Exp to Reset a Line. And you get 20k RP with Bonus.

Spending 700k Free Exp to get about 400k Free Exp worth of RP makes no Sense. So for this Offer to have any Popularity they would need to Increase the Offer to Basicly offer 700k Free for 10k RP so it becomes actually 1 to 1.

Needless to say that this is way more than they want to give you for Resetting a Line.

 

And WG likely also is Happy that People are spending the Piled up Free Exp on this. As its much more efficient at Consuming Piled up Free Exp than the Free Exp Ships they Sell for Free Exp Directly.

So these 250k Free Exp are basicly just a 250k Free Exp Gift for those who dont Reset Lines as they get 10k RP Starting Bonus and then earn 2500 RP using Dailies.

Not what WG Wants.

 

So they Remove it.

I dont care. Cause as I said above. If it didnt give 700-800k Free Exp for 10k RP its just not worth it. Because I just dont see any way for this to be worth it.

After all. To get 10k RP I need to Play enough Games to Earn 700k Exp with Ships which are mostly not Ships I would like to Play.

Without also Spending Signals etc. This basicly means I have to Play around 200 Games or maybe even more to get the RP.

The 2500 RP needed extra basicly means that these 250k Free Exp cost me 250 Games of Gameplay in Ships I dont Enjoy.

Instead i can just Play 250 Games Games in my Premium Tirptiz which has a +100% Free Exp Permanent Camouflage and thus allows me to get the 250k Exp Playing a Ship I actually have Fun with.

Needless to say I can also just Instead Grind New Lines which also will give me Free Exp on the Side.

 

Then again. Why would I do that. If I use Research Bureau its for the Ships and Legendary Modules. And just for that. And even that is Something I do extremely Reluctantly.

 

[ForlornSailor]

19 minutes ago, Measuperbia said:

Or is is just that WG notice people are using this to get ships "too fast" ? 

 

How does this help you getting ships faster? @Salentine did the math above, why this option is absolutly useless and thus hardly anyone used it. If you want to argue, that people dont free XP to get RPs, thus actually play, and then convert the RPs into free XP to unlock more ships - this doesnt make sense either. If one aims to get free XP to shortcut their part to the free XP ships, you go and play 2 days of Narai with a dedicated group. Just thnk about how many lines you would have to reset and play WITHOUT using any free XP to exchange RPs for, lets say, Hayate. Does not make sense at all.

[Measuperbia]

Well I guess for me... the case is like this....

 

Comparing what ships do I want from RB = None of them

Check what ships I can get for freeExp? -Hey look Alaska. So what can I do with my "useless" RB? Yeah freeXP.

 

Now its the same all over again.. But I rather have Småland then any of the RB ships avaliable..

 

Also.. why remove it, when they can just buff it? So maybe 300-500 instead of 250FreeXP?

[Captain_Newman]

54 minutes ago, SkollUlfr said:

can they remove emerald CV's for the same reason?

 Fixed.

 

Also, the option to exchange RP, the resource you have to regrind entire lines for, into fxp, the resource that's fairly easy to get doing pretty much anything in the game didn't prove to be popular? Well, I'm sure the WG people are stumped. How did the player base miss this amazing opportunity?

[Hades_warrior]

2 hours ago, Salentine said:

because who in their right mind would exchange 12.5k RP's that are the equivalent to a minimum 630k xp in researched ships/free xp for 250k free xp?

I did that and I dont see a problem about it. If someone need free EXP more than anything else than this is a good option to exchange.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

57 minutes ago, Allied_Winter said:

I do .... they are around ... although ... as stated in the patch notes ... not enough.

 

Not enough... for what?... profit?

[Charley_Nasca]

I did it to get my Smaland faster. There wasn't anything else I wanted at that time... 😀 

[Verblonde]

1 hour ago, Charley_Nasca said:

I did it to get my Smaland faster. There wasn't anything else I wanted at that time... 😀 

Me too - at the time, there was nothing much I wanted in the RB, due to a distinct lack of DDs...

[Chaos_Umbra]

3 hours ago, Sunleader said:

 

Well.

WGs Idea was that People would Grind RP by Resetting Lines and Actually Playing Ships.

But People Refuse to Play Low Tier Ships for a Reason. And so instead what they do is to Spend Free Exp to just Skip the Low Tier Ships.

 

I do play lower tier ships quite a lot... just I don't want to reset the entire line to do it as I can do that without resetting, so I just go with the use Free xp to abuse resetting the IJN gun boat DDs for 4x points whenever I can stack it into 2 resets.

[FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor]

Vor 5 Stunden, Salentine sagte:

because who in their right mind would exchange 12.5k RP's that are the equivalent to a minimum 630k xp in researched ships/free xp for 250k free xp?

Where do you get that ridiculous number?

To answer your question, I reset the two American cruiser lines and actually ground through them again, only using free XP to unlock the upgrades, in order to unlock Smaland as quickly as possible. It cost me a ton of camos and flags but I did come out far ahead.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_vz205JSLNoV2FARefsDt6bNNpUZcih8HItQLZJT5j4/edit#gid=1451788746

And it was definitely worth it because I have no interest in any of the ships available for research tokens. They're all just CV fodder anyway, and in the rare games without CVs, you can be sure to have some low-skilled DDs on your team that die instantly or just refuse to do their job. Either that or no DDs at all. For which I also blame the CV rework.

In any event, BB and cruiser gameplay also sucks. Which basically leaves me with Halland, Smaland, Friesland and the odd attempt at other Tier IX DDs, in the hopes of favourable matchmaking. But as of the last two patches, my Benham seems cursed once again in that it attracts a lot more CVs than muh Friesland strangely, and the Yugumo can be sure to end up in a carrier battle as soon as I even think about swapping the smoke for the TRB.

So, bollocks.

[Marydoll]

I suppose the crux of the matter is whether you have any interest in resetting lines. I could personally choose from eight lines to re-set but I am just not interested. Received 10K research points months ago which have now reached the massive sum of 14K. The minimum cost of a ship is 43K Research Points which I cannot see me reaching this decade. The flag choices are bog standard with no economic flags available. The Special/Legendary upgrades are a mixed bag. At least for me the Free XP is a "currency" that I can/will use.

[Captain_Singleton]

42 minutes ago, FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor said:

Where do you get that ridiculous number?

 

the line with the lowest xp to reset is the Harugumo line - around 630k in xp or free xp (or combination of) to reset, that's where i got that ridiculous number...

[22cm]

Here.

 

Harugumo line is only 680k free XP to research, so it is 10 k research points for 680 k free XP, or for 340k free XP (if x2 reset bonus).

 

 

[umbra_arboris]

Could Wargaming remove some weak ships like Genova, Kansas or Mikoyan for the same reason? Free XP seems to be far more useful.

[FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor]

Vor 1 Stunde, Salentine sagte:

the line with the lowest xp to reset is the Harugumo line - around 630k in xp or free xp (or combination of) to reset

That only applies for short-cutting through the reset, which of course would defeat the purpose of gaining more Free XP.

It may be legitimate to equate the tokens with that amount of Ship XP but they are by no means automatically worth the same in Free XP since that is so much harder to come by. The value of a currency is not determined by the value of the goods you can acquire for a given amount of it because the pricing of those goods is fairly arbitrary. Sellers always take as much as they can get. Pointing to things like product quality or manufacturing cost is just a smoke bomb to obscure that fact. Rather, the value is determined by the lengths the buyer has to go to in order to acquire the currency. That is why a Euro/Pound/Dollar is a lot more valuable to a lowly hairdresser than a millionaire, and why it is so grossly unfair to do things like putting a cap on healthcare premiums or financing the state mainly through the VAT charged from from low and medium income earners.

But I digress. anyway, in order to try and "normalize" the currencies one would probably have to convert them all into grinding time and try to standardize that somehow.

 

[Lootboxer]

8 hours ago, Measuperbia said:

 

So.. Yeah they will remove the option 250K freeexp for 12.5k RB - Reason being stated above......

 

Why remove something because its inpopular? why not increasse it to 300K instead?

 

Or is is just that WG notice people are using this to get ships "too fast" ? 

It's the same with Neustrashimy, it was so Op and cheap that was removed from steel armoury dur to being unpopular INSTEAD OR REDUCING THE PRICE OR BUFFING A BIT.

 

 

[fleshcat]

What's wrong with your education system? So normal people can't do simple math at all nowadays? 

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

Actually it's an attractive option for me. I am never going to touch the research bureau, so there's 250k free xp right there for me. For free. Thanks for the heads-up.