Humorpalanta ∞ Players 2,025 posts 13,785 battles Report post #1 Posted October 27, 2020 Okay, so we have got a topic closed down on a poor Koala in which we had an answer that is making me to ask a few questions. " There is a rule that anything related to sexual orientation, politics, problematic historical persons, etc. is not allowed. These rules apply for everyone. " Aham. Ok. What about this thing then? Or players like: @stalin@Stalin_103@Stalin01 You can bash me, punish me or anything but tell me a political or historical person that is not problematic for someone. And yet we have people like: @Mao_Ce_Hung@Horthy_Miklos@GoebbeIs@Hruscsow@HitlerAdolf So why exactly the Gay Koala was too much? 24 1 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[P-A-R] _Lupastro_ Players 1,012 posts 13,896 battles Report post #2 Posted October 27, 2020 even though I think like you.... I think that you'll be sent to.... GULAG 1 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SICK] Exocet6951 Weekend Tester 5,151 posts 11,809 battles Report post #3 Posted October 27, 2020 inb4 lock for asking too many questions comrade. Or to put it bluntly: "Lenin good, homosex bad" -Russia 4 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RenamedUser_92906789 Players 5,828 posts Report post #4 Posted October 27, 2020 Because humanity. Shows even more in the past year. Closed down FB because people are just too stupid for my taste. Same goes for prejudices. No matter what flavor they are, there are people condemning. So the easiest way is just to remove all the prejudices so nobody has to deal with them... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SHAD] Miscommunication_dept Players 5,512 posts 24,441 battles Report post #5 Posted October 27, 2020 It's been nice knowing you @Humorpalanta. We'll see you after a spell in the reducation camps. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pra3y Players 3,021 posts 11,390 battles Report post #6 Posted October 27, 2020 None of us know (as far as i am aware) the exact reason why Koala was reported, save for WG and the person who reported him. For all we know another gay person may have seen the nick and thought Koala was making fun of gay people and hence report him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SHAD] Miscommunication_dept Players 5,512 posts 24,441 battles Report post #7 Posted October 27, 2020 Just now, nambr9 said: Because humanity. Shows even more in the past year. Closed down FB because people are just too stupid for my taste. Same goes for prejudices. No matter what flavor they are, there are people condemning. So the easiest way is just to remove all the prejudices so nobody has to deal with them... The easiest way is to liberalise and let people do whatever they want without censorship. Removing all prejudices, as is currently being attempted by some, only increases the influence of the prejudices of those with power. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-URK-] wot_2016_gunner Players 2,588 posts 6,830 battles Report post #8 Posted October 27, 2020 Why are you calling out only the Lenin? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TOFTC] Pikkozoikum Players 7,658 posts 13,680 battles Report post #9 Posted October 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, Humorpalanta said: Okay, so we have got a topic closed down on a poor Koala in which we had an answer that is making me to ask a few questions. " There is a rule that anything related to sexual orientation, politics, problematic historical persons, etc. is not allowed. These rules apply for everyone. " Aham. Ok. What about this thing then? Or players like: @stalin@Stalin_103@Stalin01 You can bash me, punish me or anything but tell me a political or historical person that is not problematic for someone. And yet we have people like: @Mao_Ce_Hung@Horthy_Miklos@GoebbeIs@Hruscsow@HitlerAdolf So why exactly the Gay Koala was too much? I think Wargaming decides, what is problematic for them in their game? 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SYD] Molly_Delaney Players 1,200 posts 4,600 battles Report post #10 Posted October 27, 2020 The trouble is that EVERY famous well liked person has a certain darkness if you dig deep enough. Except maybe Mother Teresa.... And conversely EVERY bad famous person has their admirers. WarGaming's game & forum so WarGaming's rules. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BAD-A] cherry2blost [BAD-A] Beta Tester 2,078 posts 22,300 battles Report post #11 Posted October 27, 2020 *** FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY NO VIEWS ARE IMPLIED *** I suggested to Koala that he may wish to go down the 'Historic' route with this issue. Enola Gay is one of the most famous aircraft of World War II, so maybe he could work with Koala_Gay as a name, this shows that he is not mentioning the word 'Gay' in any particular context and is in fact using a famous entity/item as a 'play' on his name... *** PERSONAL OPINION *** It seems that as usual there is a real disconnect with WeeGee and their English speaking community, English words can often have multiple meanings and connotations and popular uses. If the reader/Judge/ Moderator is not a native speaker then the actual 'meaning' of a particular word becomes subjective to the recipient based on their level of language skill, comfortability with the nuances of the language and internalised personal perspective toward the word in question. More information can be found here https://www.researchgate.net/publication/311587685_Multiple_meanings_in_the_EFL_lexicon that may help those persons when making their judgements regarding problematic etymology. Hope this helps somewhat guys! 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Camperdown Players 2,501 posts 17,258 battles Report post #12 Posted October 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, Molly_Delaney said: The trouble is that EVERY famous well liked person has a certain darkness if you dig deep enough. Except maybe Mother Teresa.... And conversely EVERY bad famous person has their admirers. WarGaming's game & forum so WarGaming's rules. Ahem, understatement of the century. Mao, Stalin and Hitler are tied neck and neck as the greatest mass murderers of human history. Genghis Khan was a minor offender compared to these. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WG] Sehales WG Staff, Alpha Tester 7,067 posts 2,497 battles Report post #13 Posted October 27, 2020 I am going to reply to Koala's topic in a bit, but before this thread goes sideways, let me clarify a few things: Of course there is some historical relation due the fact that our game is focused on ships from the time period of WWI & WWII. When it comes to historical persons, we usually draw the line of whether their name is ok or not if they were found guilty of war crimes, but in the end each problematic name needs to be looked at individually. That players should not call themself "Hitler" should be clear, but some sadly still do it. We rely on reports for any names that violate our rules, as it is can be rather difficult to automatically determine whether a name is fine or not. So if you come across names that are violating our rules, please send a ticket to our support. If you are not sure, but you think it might be a problematic name, feel free to also send a ticket. Better safe than sorry! I will not lock this thread right away, in case you have any questions, but please adhere to the rules and refrain from further naming and shaming (by posting player's names). As said above, if you want to report inappropriate player names, please do so via ticket. @cherry2blost, while you are right that words can have multiple meanings, missing context is a big issue. If it was clear to everyone what is meant, we could deal with it in a different way, but it is sadly not as easy. We also come across many issues where a word might be totally fine in one language, but is a highly offensive insult in another language. 6 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MEN] Captain_Singleton Players 3,184 posts 20,113 battles Report post #14 Posted October 27, 2020 40 minutes ago, Humorpalanta said: " There is a rule that anything related to sexual orientation, politics, problematic historical persons, etc. is not allowed. These rules apply for everyone. " but he also posted about a conversation with support which is also against the rules. 1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WG] Sehales WG Staff, Alpha Tester 7,067 posts 2,497 battles Report post #15 Posted October 27, 2020 Please stop the naming and shaming and report problematic names to support instead. Otherwise we will need to lock this thread. I removed such a post. As for the names listed above, some were already renamed. Third party websites and in parts even our forum does not update a name before the user logs back in. These are likely technical limitations. I will check regarding our forums, but for third party websites like wows-numbers, there are tons of wrong names and that is nothing we have any influence over. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SYD] Molly_Delaney Players 1,200 posts 4,600 battles Report post #16 Posted October 27, 2020 Hmmm, just had a message containing an interesting link, which proves my point about famous people. Everyone has a 'dark side'. (Which is why my username is a nice, safe, fictional character who is a normalish person in the books.) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BAD-A] cherry2blost [BAD-A] Beta Tester 2,078 posts 22,300 battles Report post #17 Posted October 27, 2020 9 minutes ago, Sehales said: Please stop the naming and shaming and report problematic names to support instead. Otherwise we will need to lock this thread. I removed such a post. As for the names listed above, some were already renamed. Third party websites and in parts even our forum does not update a name before the user logs back in. These are likely technical limitations. I will check regarding our forums, but for third party websites like wows-numbers, there are tons of wrong names and that is nothing we have any influence over. Makes sense, if someone hasn't logged back in then WoWs numbers won't have a clue... However going back to original point, if various permutations of Stalin, Rommel, Guderian etc etc are OK for 'Historic' Purposes then a play on the name 'Enola Gay' would be OK? Is that correct? If someone were to call themselves Gay_Paris would that be unsuitable also? Being as Paris is and has been known as Gay Paris for decades without any sexual connotations whatsoever... happy: We had a gay old time down at the dance hall. If a place is gay, it is bright and attractive: The streets were gay and full of people Popular culture: https://genius.com/The-flintstones-theme-song-lyrics 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[KAKE] Uglesett Players 2,804 posts 6,795 battles Report post #18 Posted October 27, 2020 26 minutes ago, Molly_Delaney said: Except maybe Mother Teresa.... 5 12 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pra3y Players 3,021 posts 11,390 battles Report post #19 Posted October 27, 2020 30 minutes ago, Molly_Delaney said: Except maybe Mother Teresa.... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Mother_Teresa 5 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FJAKA] st_dasa Players 457 posts 15,659 battles Report post #20 Posted October 27, 2020 50 minutes ago, Humorpalanta said: Okay, so we have got a topic closed down on a poor Koala in which we had an answer that is making me to ask a few questions. " There is a rule that anything related to sexual orientation, politics, problematic historical persons, etc. is not allowed. These rules apply for everyone. " Aham. Ok. What about this thing then? Or players like: @stalin@Stalin_103@Stalin01 You can bash me, punish me or anything but tell me a political or historical person that is not problematic for someone. And yet we have people like: @Mao_Ce_Hung@Horthy_Miklos@GoebbeIs@Hruscsow@HitlerAdolf So why exactly the Gay Koala was too much? Oh boi, soon the name Humorpalanta will become ''problematic'' if you continue to stir the pot 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Humorpalanta ∞ Players 2,025 posts 13,785 battles Report post #21 Posted October 27, 2020 22 minutes ago, Sehales said: I am going to reply to Koala's topic in a bit, but before this thread goes sideways, let me clarify a few things: Of course there is some historical relation due the fact that our game is focused on ships from the time period of WWI & WWII. When it comes to historical persons, we usually draw the line of whether their name is ok or not if they were found guilty of war crimes, but in the end each problematic name needs to be looked at individually. That players should not call themself "Hitler" should be clear, but some sadly still do it. We rely on reports for any names that violate our rules, as it is can be rather difficult to automatically determine whether a name is fine or not. So if you come across names that are violating our rules, please send a ticket to our support. If you are not sure, but you think it might be a problematic name, feel free to also send a ticket. Better safe than sorry! I will not lock this thread right away, in case you have any questions, but please adhere to the rules and refrain from further naming and shaming (by posting player's names). As said above, if you want to report inappropriate player names, please do so via ticket. @cherry2blost, while you are right that words can have multiple meanings, missing context is a big issue. If it was clear to everyone what is meant, we could deal with it in a different way, but it is sadly not as easy. We also come across many issues where a word might be totally fine in one language, but is a highly offensive insult in another language. Thank you for your answer clearing on the situation. Answered my questions. This is all I wanted to know. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BAD-A] cherry2blost [BAD-A] Beta Tester 2,078 posts 22,300 battles Report post #22 Posted October 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, Humorpalanta said: Thank you for your answer clearing on the situation. Answered my questions. This is all I wanted to know. But does it clear it up, what worried me most was reading Koala's original thread where he messaged support and was advised to take his issue to the Forums (complete with link) to bring it to general attention, only for his threads and posts to be deleted... seems mixed messages are being given, Support telling customers to go to Forums and Forum Moderators closing them down. Seems it's a warm potato that no one feels the slightest inclination to address properly... 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ANV] Starchy_Tuber Players 867 posts 11,120 battles Report post #23 Posted October 27, 2020 Gaylord is actually not an uncommon (Norman/French derived) name... just saying. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] Excavatus [THESO] Moderator 4,705 posts 17,888 battles Report post #24 Posted October 27, 2020 23 minutes ago, Uglesett said: 19 minutes ago, pra3y said: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Mother_Teresa and I've sent an article link to him not to derail the topic :) silly me eh? 24 minutes ago, Molly_Delaney said: Hmmm, just had a message containing an interesting link, which proves my point about famous people. Everyone has a 'dark side'. (Which is why my username is a nice, safe, fictional character who is a normalish person in the books.) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BAD-A] cherry2blost [BAD-A] Beta Tester 2,078 posts 22,300 battles Report post #25 Posted October 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, Excavatus said: and I've sent an article link to him not to derail the topic :) silly me eh? @Excavatus Well, you need to be careful there buddy, could be digging yourself a hole........... 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
