Help with my stats. Want to improve.

[Harvin87]

Hello Captains, 

I was wondering if someone could give me some input after taking a look at my stats. I took advice from this forum sometime ago and began improving but now, I've been stalled for over a month in 49% more or less WR. I don't know why or how... 

I've been a lot in mid-tier (6-7) a lot. But somehow I can have 5 or 7 matches on a win streak and suddenly I loose 10 in a row and loose all the "progress" 

 

Stats:https://wows-numbers.com/player/564736475,Harvin87/

 

Help appreciated

 

 

 

[Perekotypole]

you want to get better but you only play three games per day on average? That's like very casual player, why would you even care?

And you jump ships a lot.

[doerhoff_damian]

Maybe play some Games in a Division with the best Players from your Clan and let them have a Look.

You can also learn a lot from your Mistakes by just playing different Ships.

There are a lot of different Skills to learn in this Game.

 

DDs: Having CE and Last Stand, knowing the Torp Ranges (Stealth Torping), knowing who has Radar/Hydro when you try to get a Cap.

Cruisers: Knowing the Power of your Guns (Difference light or heavy Cruiser) when to use HE or AP and making Use of Radar, How to position behing Islands and still be able to fire at the Enemy or when you sail in the Open Skill PT and Rudder Modules and pay attention to the Numbers because a Battleship might aim at you

Battleships: What BB is good for close Range and what BB is better for acurate long Range Fire and how close can I support other Ships without overextending

CVs: Knowing the AA and how to drop differnt Ships.

 

You might as well play a lot of different Ships and Ship Lines to learn all there Strenghs and Weaknesses as well as your own Play Style.

P.S. Sometimes you have Days when you just can´t win a Game but you also have Days where you are at the other Side and sometimes you can make a Difference.

[_Teob_]

1 hour ago, Harvin87 said:

Hello Captains, 

I was wondering if someone could give me some input after taking a look at my stats. I took advice from this forum sometime ago and began improving but now, I've been stalled for over a month in 49% more or less WR. I don't know why or how... 

I've been a lot in mid-tier (6-7) a lot. But somehow I can have 5 or 7 matches on a win streak and suddenly I loose 10 in a row and loose all the "progress" 

 

Stats:https://wows-numbers.com/player/564736475,Harvin87/

 

Help appreciated

 

 

 

 

Hiya!

 

Add me in game and we can division and discuss. It's difficult for people to be able to help you outright but I'll happily watch some of your replays with you and discuss your performance.

 

I am also more than happy to division with you. 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

Stats usually improve when you focus on just a few ships you are comfortable with. In your case russian battleships and destoyers.

Focus on theese for a while:

[Harvin87]

True that lately I have not played that much. But I still do play everyday. Normally I would play around 8 matches a day. Unfortunately I do not have much free time anymore. 

23 minutos antes, doerhoff_damian dijo:

Maybe play some Games in a Division with the best Players from your Clan and let them have a Look.

You can also learn a lot from your Mistakes by just playing different Ships.

There are a lot of different Skills to learn in this Game.

 

DDs: Having CE and Last Stand, knowing the Torp Ranges (Stealth Torping), knowing who has Radar/Hydro when you try to get a Cap.

Cruisers: Knowing the Power of your Guns (Difference light or heavy Cruiser) when to use HE or AP and making Use of Radar, How to position behing Islands and still be able to fire at the Enemy or when you sail in the Open Skill PT and Rudder Modules and pay attention to the Numbers because a Battleship might aim at you

Battleships: What BB is good for close Range and what BB is better for acurate long Range Fire and how close can I support other Ships without overextending

CVs: Knowing the AA and how to drop differnt Ships.

 

You might as well play a lot of different Ships and Ship Lines to learn all there Strenghs and Weaknesses as well as your own Play Style.

P.S. Sometimes you have Days when you just can´t win a Game but you also have Days where you are at the other Side and sometimes you can make a Difference.

Thanks for the input!. I do know "theoretically" how to play each class. I also know the particulars of every ship radar range, hydro, pen angles.. Etc. I think my problem is that I take the wrong decisions and my tactical play has a lot to improve.

22 minutos antes, _Teob_ dijo:

 

Hiya!

 

Add me in game and we can division and discuss. It's difficult for people to be able to help you outright but I'll happily watch some of your replays with you and discuss your performance.

Thank you! I will PM you and send you some replays! 

[Harvin87]

10 minutos antes, Europizza dijo:

Stats usually improve when you focus on just a few ships you are comfortable with. In your case russian battleships and destoyers.

Focus on theese for a while:

I will take this advice definitely. I'll focus for a while on Russian BBs and DD (looking at my overall stats, dds is my class with 52%WR).

[DFens_666]

Just throwing some things out here:

Do you want to improve your stats, or improve yourself as a player? Playing ships you are already good in, might not make you that much of a better player, especially when its about ships that are more on the easier side (russian BBs f.e). Being good in all ships is a hard task, and most people wont succeed in that, because you need to know and understand a lot of stuff to make all of them work.

Also you need to know when your role changes. Looking at your profile, i spot IJN gunboat DDs. Thats imo a class of DDs, where a lot of people fail because they are focused on sitting in smoke, trying to farm capital ships. Sure you can do it, and those DDs are good at that, but this cant be the focus from the start of the game. Not saying that you do that, but thats something i see a lot from those DDs. They avoid other DDs, and they go onto a flank, smoke up and everything is going dark. Meanwhile, your backup gets pressured by being permaspotted and torped by the enemy DD.

As a different example, i played Kiev today, in domination battle. Bad concealment with 7,9km, i cant just go in and pick a fight. But i went close for the cap, see if something enters. Nothing first, so i went in, but got detected soon after by an Östergötland. Luckily i had a Radar Cruiser with me, who radared the DDs (was 2 actually). I jumped immediately on the one who had no way out anymore and we got him killed. This already gave me more freedom in movement without the fear of being permaspotted. Because if the DDs are gone, it makes my life much easier. I could have ignored the cap ofc and went to the border to harass some BBs. But that would have left the center vulnerable for my team to be torped by enemy DDs.

 

One other thing i saw, your survival rate is kinda low. If you are dead, you cant influence the game anymore, thus you should work on that one. Dont die needlessly. Its not easy to find the right path between too passive and too aggressive. I always like to go for early game impact. That can already make a difference how the ships on your flank behave. If you kill a DD early on, you might force his teammates to retreat, thus giving your team a cap to get. Or by killing a Radar Cruiser, you help your DDs to move more freely.

In 8 games today, i got 2 first bloods alone. 3rd was close, but my Smolensk beat me to it by suiciding into the enemies right from the get go And another one was also fairly close, but there my friendly DD got the kill which i left standing with 127 HP

[st_dasa]

Definitely take a look at some good Youtubers like Flamu, you can learn a lot from their how to vids ;)

 

Also, you have to take into consideration that you are basically a new player. Your stats are not that bad regarding the number of battles played - experience, along with skill, will come in due time. I was pretty similar to you when I first started playing - up until 1,5k battles I was pretty much oblivious about what and how I was doing, then slowly started to (actively) improve. Around 3k battles, I was already in the green zone.

 

If I was to give you some really quick tips, well, this would be my choice what to pay attention to:

1. Be aware of your team's position. Don't follow the lemming trains, try to reinforce weaker flanks.

2. Don't rush, especially in a DD. Take time to assert the situation.

3. Always observe the minimap.

4. Never, ever give broadside, especially in ships with the raised citadel - you WILL die.

5. Anticipate enemy movement, don't get caught in locked down positions - try to always have an escape plan - that is especially important for DDs and slow ships.

6. If you notice a DD somewhere near you, expect the torps coming your way.

7. Never, ever expect from your teammates to help you. Act as if you are alone - but recognize the situations when to help the others (eg. like shooting enemy DDs when your allies spot them).

 

 

I'll leave you one of the best videos for basic positioning. Here Flamu plays a fairly mediocre ship - but he makes her really work because of the positioning.

 

 

Cheers, you'll get there ;)

[Capra76]

1 hour ago, Harvin87 said:

Thank you! I will PM you and send you some replays! 

 

If you attach them to a post you'll get responses from more players.

[lossi_2018]

4 hours ago, Harvin87 said:

Hello Captains, 

I was wondering if someone could give me some input after taking a look at my stats. I took advice from this forum sometime ago and began improving but now, I've been stalled for over a month in 49% more or less WR. I don't know why or how... 

I've been a lot in mid-tier (6-7) a lot. But somehow I can have 5 or 7 matches on a win streak and suddenly I loose 10 in a row and loose all the "progress" 

 

Stats:https://wows-numbers.com/player/564736475,Harvin87/

 

Help appreciated

 

 

 

You are getting stressed to win. If you get some wins then stop at first loss. Do something else.

[Itwastuesday]

What Europizza said. I have garbage winrate with all but the ships I actually like to play.

[Pikkozoikum]

5 hours ago, Harvin87 said:

Hello Captains, 

I was wondering if someone could give me some input after taking a look at my stats. I took advice from this forum sometime ago and began improving but now, I've been stalled for over a month in 49% more or less WR. I don't know why or how... 

I've been a lot in mid-tier (6-7) a lot. But somehow I can have 5 or 7 matches on a win streak and suddenly I loose 10 in a row and loose all the "progress" 

 

Stats:https://wows-numbers.com/player/564736475,Harvin87/

 

Help appreciated

 

 

 

I think one issue is the transition towards high tier, this needs more experience, so I believe you will become better when you just played more high tier games. It's a experience over time thing, I would assume.

The high tiers are often played different than the low/mid tier matches.

 

Also you shouldn't play for stats! =)

[FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor]

Just switch to aircraft carriers.

[Harvin87]

11 horas antes, st_dasa dijo:

Definitely take a look at some good Youtubers like Flamu, you can learn a lot from their how to vids ;)

 

Also, you have to take into consideration that you are basically a new player. Your stats are not that bad regarding the number of battles played - experience, along with skill, will come in due time. I was pretty similar to you when I first started playing - up until 1,5k battles I was pretty much oblivious about what and how I was doing, then slowly started to (actively) improve. Around 3k battles, I was already in the green zone.

 

If I was to give you some really quick tips, well, this would be my choice what to pay attention to:

1. Be aware of your team's position. Don't follow the lemming trains, try to reinforce weaker flanks.

2. Don't rush, especially in a DD. Take time to assert the situation.

3. Always observe the minimap.

4. Never, ever give broadside, especially in ships with the raised citadel - you WILL die.

5. Anticipate enemy movement, don't get caught in locked down positions - try to always have an escape plan - that is especially important for DDs and slow ships.

6. If you notice a DD somewhere near you, expect the torps coming your way.

7. Never, ever expect from your teammates to help you. Act as if you are alone - but recognize the situations when to help the others (eg. like shooting enemy DDs when your allies spot them).

 

 

I'll leave you one of the best videos for basic positioning. Here Flamu plays a fairly mediocre ship - but he makes her really work because of the positioning.

 

 

Cheers, you'll get there ;)

Thank you very much for your input, I hope that will improve my tactical intelligence, and also I guess I, plain and simple, need more experience...

9 horas antes, Pikkozoikum dijo:

I think one issue is the transition towards high tier, this needs more experience, so I believe you will become better when you just played more high tier games. It's a experience over time thing, I would assume.

The high tiers are often played different than the low/mid tier matches.

 

Also you shouldn't play for stats! =)

I know I shouldn't play for stats :) hehe,, the thing is that... if I invest considerable time in the game, apart from the satisfaction of some good matches from time to time, it's nice to feel that you actually know what you are doing. Having some sense of "achievement" . But that aside my first and foremost objective is to be a good player... not just put in some numbers. I guess they go by the hand.

 

11 horas antes, Capra76 dijo:

 

If you attach them to a post you'll get responses from more players.

Here:

 

 

Thanks for the help.

[DFens_666]

1 hour ago, Harvin87 said:

Here:

 

 

 

Most of the time, there is not much to be said about a game, which you win, have decent damage AND survive.

But some stuff to consider:

- When you went to A, look at where your own CV spawned. He spawned at A, so the enemy CV normaly spawns at A aswell. And he was there, so you basicly went to a place, where the CV could spot you.

- When you are already spotted by planes, turn on your AA! Especially use sector reinforcement, thats almost a planekill right there. It might not help you since he is not striking you, but it helps your teammates every bit. Later in A cap this happened aswell, when he even popped a fighter next to you.

- Always watch out for IJN Cruisers, that are at 10km or closer to you (or your team) being broadside. That means, they often throw torps, and you got really lucky that they run out. Reversing extensive periods of time is not great either, as you stay broadside for long

- If you torp a BB, smoking and shooting him is a good way to make him turn away. Didnt matter here, since you torped from behind and they couldnt reach him in the first place. Shooting a ship which you torped only makes sense, if he would dodge your torps in the first place. By shooting him, he might change his course back into your torps. F.e. this can work if you torp a bow-on ship, and you shoot him open water to make him turn and use all his guns, making it more likely to hit torps.

- Randomly shooting targets open water is not something i would do. Like the Nelson i B cap. You gained basicly nothing, while getting shot at by SAP! Luckily, he got not much damage in on you. Also taking the fight against the Gorizia should have gotten you killed, but he was too scared to use all his guns for some reason.

- Work on your aim, your lead is often not enough, but after that you take too much lead

- If you want to keep firing at invisible targets, you have to aim MUCH lower, basicly always waterline to hit them. Otherwise you shoot way too far. Example richelieu, Hipper, Gorizia. Go have a look at the minimap where your aim marker is when a ship goes dark, then you know where your shells land.

When you were aiming at the Richelieu, thats where your aim marker is after you lose the lock-on - it goes way beyond his path.

 

- Smoking up in that position was very risky to begin with: You had no idea where the enemy Aki was, as he was last spotted in B like 3 mins ago. Chances were good however, that he was somewhere around you (infact he was later seen near your CV). So high chance to take torps. Also there was a Hipper in B at ~7km. If he carries hydro, he could have easily rushed you since your backup couldnt shoot him. You were lucky he chose to run and die. And your smoke blocked the only way to spot him. Same deal with the Gorizia: He has smoke and 6km hydro. Again lucky for you, that he didnt rush you. But there was actually nothing stopping him from doing it (well maybe his Hydro was on CD, but you cant know that). He only needed to rush in while smoking up, putting hydro on and nothing could stop him easily.

 

[TheBrut3]

Turn off you minimap turning, that's damn annoying!

 

Don't sit nose in or broadside in a cap. Go [edited]in, or start nose in but turn out so you can run at any time. Use AA more often, especially on a Aki/Kita but turn it off when you're done. Except in smoke, then you can leave it on. Know what fights to pick a gunfight with. It's a good thing the Gorizia isn't the best player, but you don't want to fight a SAP ship in a DD.

 

And as been said. It's often not the good games that have lerning moments, it's the bad games.

[FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor]

(Seriously though: search for a Little White Mouse tutorial named something like "So you want to improve your win rate" and do everything she says, which is to generally stop doing stupid sh|t and needless high risk plays even though they seem to be so much fun, and that should do you for now. As map knowledge increses, you can then over time work on your positioning.)

[Hades_warrior]

19 hours ago, Perekotypole said:

you want to get better but you only play three games per day on average? That's like very casual player, why would you even care?

And you jump ships a lot.

Hey! be happy that some new player care about to improve himself and not play like some snowflake all the time.

[st_dasa]

20 hours ago, Perekotypole said:

you want to get better but you only play three games per day on average? That's like very casual player, why would you even care?

And you jump ships a lot.

 

I play around 4-6 games per day. Lots of us actually work so cannot sustain high numbers.

 

And I jump ships.

[Johnny_Moneto]

Vor 16 Stunden, Harvin87 sagte:

 

 

 

Thanks for the help.

If I add two more things: In the beginning after you got spotted by planes you keep course and speed. A salvo comes in and you were lucky not to lose HP there. Change course/speed after a detection as enemies will take shots at you.

 

Much later you capped A and went towards B. But you did not enter the cap. Instead you parked between A and B and wasted time, smoke, and torps. Your team was behind on points.

[Harvin87]

21 horas antes, DFens_666 dijo:

 

Most of the time, there is not much to be said about a game, which you win, have decent damage AND survive.

But some stuff to consider:

- When you went to A, look at where your own CV spawned. He spawned at A, so the enemy CV normaly spawns at A aswell. And he was there, so you basicly went to a place, where the CV could spot you.

- When you are already spotted by planes, turn on your AA! Especially use sector reinforcement, thats almost a planekill right there. It might not help you since he is not striking you, but it helps your teammates every bit. Later in A cap this happened aswell, when he even popped a fighter next to you.

- Always watch out for IJN Cruisers, that are at 10km or closer to you (or your team) being broadside. That means, they often throw torps, and you got really lucky that they run out. Reversing extensive periods of time is not great either, as you stay broadside for long

- If you torp a BB, smoking and shooting him is a good way to make him turn away. Didnt matter here, since you torped from behind and they couldnt reach him in the first place. Shooting a ship which you torped only makes sense, if he would dodge your torps in the first place. By shooting him, he might change his course back into your torps. F.e. this can work if you torp a bow-on ship, and you shoot him open water to make him turn and use all his guns, making it more likely to hit torps.

- Randomly shooting targets open water is not something i would do. Like the Nelson i B cap. You gained basicly nothing, while getting shot at by SAP! Luckily, he got not much damage in on you. Also taking the fight against the Gorizia should have gotten you killed, but he was too scared to use all his guns for some reason.

- Work on your aim, your lead is often not enough, but after that you take too much lead

- If you want to keep firing at invisible targets, you have to aim MUCH lower, basicly always waterline to hit them. Otherwise you shoot way too far. Example richelieu, Hipper, Gorizia. Go have a look at the minimap where your aim marker is when a ship goes dark, then you know where your shells land.

When you were aiming at the Richelieu, thats where your aim marker is after you lose the lock-on - it goes way beyond his path.

 

- Smoking up in that position was very risky to begin with: You had no idea where the enemy Aki was, as he was last spotted in B like 3 mins ago. Chances were good however, that he was somewhere around you (infact he was later seen near your CV). So high chance to take torps. Also there was a Hipper in B at ~7km. If he carries hydro, he could have easily rushed you since your backup couldnt shoot him. You were lucky he chose to run and die. And your smoke blocked the only way to spot him. Same deal with the Gorizia: He has smoke and 6km hydro. Again lucky for you, that he didnt rush you. But there was actually nothing stopping him from doing it (well maybe his Hydro was on CD, but you cant know that). He only needed to rush in while smoking up, putting hydro on and nothing could stop him easily.

 

Thank you so much for taking the time to review one of my games! I have read your input carefully and will try to implement it in my games. It's crazy how much stuff you need to be aware of and in control to be a good player. I guess that's what brings me back every day, the feeling that it's not a dumb, pointless game.

19 horas antes, TheBrut3 dijo:

Turn off you minimap turning, that's damn annoying!

 

Don't sit nose in or broadside in a cap. Go [edited]in, or start nose in but turn out so you can run at any time. Use AA more often, especially on a Aki/Kita but turn it off when you're done. Except in smoke, then you can leave it on. Know what fights to pick a gunfight with. It's a good thing the Gorizia isn't the best player, but you don't want to fight a SAP ship in a DD.

 

And as been said. It's often not the good games that have lerning moments, it's the bad games.

I have already turned off the minimap :P. And good advice on AA, once I'm spotted who cares anymore, I might as well try to shoot down some planes, specially on Aki or Kita.

 

7 horas antes, Johnny_Moneto dijo:

If I add two more things: In the beginning after you got spotted by planes you keep course and speed. A salvo comes in and you were lucky not to lose HP there. Change course/speed after a detection as enemies will take shots at you.

 

Much later you capped A and went towards B. But you did not enter the cap. Instead you parked between A and B and wasted time, smoke, and torps. Your team was behind on points.

Yes, I have figured out that after the first obvious objective (capping) is achieved or fails... I struggle to realize quickly enough where I'm needed. Will work harder on that.

-------------------------------------------

 

 

Also, more on the philosophical side... should we care about WR? whats your input?

[DFens_666]

12 minutes ago, Harvin87 said:

It's crazy how much stuff you need to be aware of and in control to be a good player. I guess that's what brings me back every day, the feeling that it's not a dumb, pointless game.

 

It definetely isnt, but it needs atleast 2 players to get interesting. If the enemies mindlessly rush into you, then it might not be much of a challenge. Yesterday in my Lightning game i had to play DD chess. Not much visible action, but a constant struggle to gain the upper hand.

It was playing with and against RPF, torps, trying to outspot enemy DDs, holding the cap... while having almost no support.

[TheBrut3]

2 hours ago, Harvin87 said:

And good advice on AA, once I'm spotted who cares anymore, I might as well try to shoot down some planes, specially on Aki or Kita.

Also knowlage of the CV's and planes help. Against a German CV you can turn on your AA sooner when he has rockets or bombs. If you keep your angles it's very hard for him to hurt you with those AP stuff.

[ForlornSailor]

2 hours ago, Harvin87 said:

Also, more on the philosophical side... should we care about WR? whats your input?

 

Yes, definatly. But: its not the first statistic to pay attention to when starting the path of "gidgud" :D

Work on the other key statistics, those are easier to focus on. And when that works out and you do it correctly, the Winrate will follow automatically. The WR is rather, for now especially, a meassurement if you are on the right track with improving.

Here is, im, what you should focus on:

- Kills / deaths ratio:

you overall account is 0,91, but the last week(s) show 1,44 / 1,3. Thats already an improvement and a noticable on. Above 1,0 is ofc the minimum goal. Once you reach constant numbers above 2,0 its very good.

- Survivability:

Also improving lately. 33,62% overall is a too low, above 40% is in the average range (depends on class ofc, DDs usually have a lower life expectancy). Amining for >50% would be a goal but be careful: playing too passive will raise your survivability but will hurt your WR and performance overall.

- Damage and PR:

the PR is a decent enough messurement how you do in comparision to other players on the server.

The page gives you already enough info with the color & rating. Its also improving lately, you are on the right track. Ofc there is still room for improvement.

As PR goes hand in hand with damage, its best to work on that.

 

Now how to work on damage? Two things are a main factor if you ask me: Position and Hit ratio. You seem to have some problems in winning with Battleships lately and overall. And your hitratio is low to slightly low across the board - with one exeption - Sinop! There you have 32,33% Main battery hit ratio, which is really good. And you have a 66,67% WR right away + decent damage. Now, what you have done different there, is something, only you can answer yourself. Maybe thunk back to those games and identify, what you did better, then try to copy it.

Then position. In general: if you are usualy one of the first to die as a BB, you are playing too aggressive. If you have the feeling, that your team dies and then you are left alone againt a pack of enemys and cant do anything: you play too defensive. Positioning is also tricky in a BB, it might just be the hardest skill to learn and at the same time the most important. You want to be a threat to the enemys, stopping them from pushing, while not over exposing yourself to too many enemys. That also means, you have to pay attention to what the other BBs on your team do. Are they all doing a lemming train to the A-cap? Well, then you need to the C-cap, eventhough you might not like it. Crossfire is the most important thing for battleships. And for that, they need to spread out. This way, you will also get broadsides, which gives you massive damage, better hitrate, more PR and better WR.