Thunderstorm visibility

[ollonborre]

So this is not about the mechanics of a thunderstorm or cyclone or similar, that is a topic for another day. This is more about the visuals regarding the weather phenomenons we got ingame. We have a similar topic about cyclones where there are graphical glitches when the cyclone hits and it looks like planes are trying to warp into light speed. Or in the case of the thunderstorm, your game might look like this:

 

Now, if I was playing that other game that also contains boats but mainly planes and tanks, I would not be super bothered as using the terrain and visuals to your advantage is a thing. But as is frequently established, this is an arcade game. In a scenario like this judging speed, direction and angling is almost impossible. And as an added bonus, if that ship was inside the thunderstorm he would have been able to see me clearly while I would still see him like that. 

 

So I had to ask around to see if I could solve this in a way, and a solution did exist:

Turn fog transparency to maximum solves this and you can actually see things again in thunderstorms.

 

So I basically I have to tamper with my graphical settings to have an enjoyable time in weather effects. Either my computer have the processing power of a calculator or this is a case of stronk programming. 

[DFens_666]

23 minutes ago, ollonborre said:

Either my computer have the processing power of a calculator or this is a case of stronk programming. 

 

The funny thing is, the first time this happened to me (which was like 2 days into a new patch), i showed it here in forum to WG... someone said, its not supposed to be like this, i gave him the replay aaaand... nothing happened after that

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

I recently underwent a series of eye tests in hospital following recent(ogoing) illness. The doctor told me that I my eyes are in very good condition for a man of my age.

 

Yet I have great difficulty seeing things in thunderstorm-plagued battles, regrdless of effing about with settings.

 

I've complained about this before - either WG simply doesn't realise that many older people have diffficulties seeing in the dark

or

The DO realize and just write us off as being insignificant.. I am in the "NO DAILY REWARDS CONTROL GROUP" after all.

[PeteEarthling]

2 hours ago, ollonborre said:

In a scenario like this judging speed, direction and angling is almost impossible.

That is why bad players use semi-cheat-mods like angle indicators etc.

(You can tell from the downvotes who is actually using them!) 

[Riggerby]

Hey mate, Not sure if you're aware, but World Of Warships has its own official modstation - https://worldofwarships.eu/en/content/modstation/ (Edit. Accidentally posted the .com link, changed to . eu)

 

This is basically something you download, It links with the game, and it gives you a menu of mods that have been safety / compability checked by the devs so its all perfectly game legal. Its basically like a launcher where you select what mods you want to play with.

 

Anyway, in that modpack there is an option to remove fog and glare which makes aiming in storms much more user friendly.

[Rhineheart_Thor]

6 minutes ago, Riggerby said:

in that modpack there is an option to remove fog and glare which makes aiming in storms much more user friendly.

So basically a cheat mod then!

 

Any one using that " advantage " should have all their results and captain skills " Reset " to ZERO.

[ollonborre]

10 minutes ago, Buccaneer1 said:

So basically a cheat mod then!

 

Any one using that " advantage " should have all their results and captain skills " Reset " to ZERO.

How is that a cheat when fiddling with the graphics does the exact same thing? With fog transparency set to 0 I can actually see things through thunderstorms and my screen is not filled with blurred effects that add nothing to the gameplay.

[Riggerby]

1 minute ago, Buccaneer1 said:

So basically a cheat mod then!

 

Any one using that " advantage " should have all their results and captain skills " Reset " to ZERO.

 

Eh?. Modstation is created, updated, approved and operated by the developers? 

If you feel very strongly that people using it are at an advantage there is nothing stopping you from simply installing it for free yourself.

[Rhineheart_Thor]

Why would I wish to stop an element of the game which should be the same for ever player?

 

If the fog ( or what ever ) comes randomly in the game, it makes the game more interesting thus increasing the enjoyment for a player.

 

My personal " status " with world of warships games modification is, I do not use any, no further comment will be forth coming, from My Self on the subject. 

[DFens_666]

1 minute ago, Buccaneer1 said:

If the fog ( or what ever ) comes randomly in the game, it makes the game more interesting thus increasing the enjoyment for a player. 

 

How about everyone can decide this for their own?

Not to mention, people with bad eyesight are at a disadvantage...

[ollonborre]

Just now, Buccaneer1 said:

Why would I wish to stop an element of the game which should be the same for ever player?

So graphic glitches and faulty programming is something that we just should accept? Sorry but it's the same as motion blur, it adds nothing and just makes the experience worse. If it exist a setting to turn it off I will in a heartbeat and I urge people to do the same.

[Rhineheart_Thor]

Any player having " Issues " with the functioning of the game, should contact game support and seek advice. " IF " they can help " IF " you have loaded 3rd party code into your game. 

 

 

[ollonborre]

5 minutes ago, Buccaneer1 said:

Any player having " Issues " with the functioning of the game, should contact game support and seek advice. " IF " they can help " IF " you have loaded 3rd party code into your game. 

 

 

Ok look at the screenshot I posted again. That is the vanilla client, almost the highest settings (or the highest, can't remember), no mods, no nothing. And I virtually can not see the enemy ship through that storm. Now with the context of smoke in the game and how that works and how it visually looks on your screen, does this not seem terribly off to you? Because if I sit inside the thunderstorm and look out of it, everything is fine. That is just inconsistent with how the "rules" of how vision is applied into the game and is therefore an issue (a known issue as well I might add).

 

If the official solution to this problem is "change your graphical settings" how can it still be accepted? To me that just screams "we can't be bothered to fix this at our end, change your settings or mod it out". 

 

IF I played a realistic game, IF this was consistent with how the rest of the game works, IF this was working as intented and the same for everyone that is a different story. But I'm not and it isn't. 

[Riggerby]

9 minutes ago, Buccaneer1 said:

Any player having " Issues " with the functioning of the game, should contact game support and seek advice.

 

To which support will say, ''Hey, We have an official mod pack we created to fix exactly that problem, Why dont you download it?''

[Rhineheart_Thor]

2 minutes ago, Riggerby said:

 

To which support will say, ''Hey, We have an official mod pack we created to fix exactly that problem, Why dont you download it?''

 

22 minutes ago, Buccaneer1 said:

My personal " status " with world of warships games modification is, I do not use any, no further comment will be forth coming, from My Self on the subject. 

 

12 minutes ago, Buccaneer1 said:

Any player having " Issues " with the functioning of the game, should contact game support and seek advice. " IF " they can help " IF " you have loaded 3rd party code into your game. 

 

 

 

End of MY conversation on the subject.

 

Enjoy your day Sir.

[zengaze]

2 minutes ago, Buccaneer1 said:

 

 

 

End of MY conversation on the subject.

 

Enjoy your day Sir.

You believe that using mods is a form of cheating, WG think it isn't. You are demonstrably proven wrong as it is WG who are the judge jury and  executioner in the matter.

[Rhineheart_Thor]

28 minutes ago, zengaze said:

You believe that using mods is a form of cheating, WG think it isn't. You are demonstrably proven wrong as it is WG who are the judge jury and  executioner in the matter.

@zengaze

 

Do you work for Wargaming?

 

If not may be some one who does work for Wargaming, would like to " Clarify " the situation, in public.

 

If you do work officially for Wargaming , you should say you work for them before passing comments, which could have consequences 

[ollonborre]

2 minutes ago, Buccaneer1 said:

@zengaze

 

Do you work for Wargaming?

 

If not may be some one who does work for Wargaming, would like to " Clarify " the situation, in public.

 

If you do work officially for Wargaming , you should say you work for them before passing comment, which could have consequences 

EVERYTHING in the link provided by @Riggerby is officialy endorsed by WG and completely fine to use: https://worldofwarships.com/en/content/modstation/

 

The statement thus provided by WG is that if you use a mod in the modstation you are by definition not cheating. Not sure what else needs to be clarified.

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

42 minutes ago, ollonborre said:

EVERYTHING in the link provided by @Riggerby is officialy endorsed by WG and completely fine to use: https://worldofwarships.com/en/content/modstation/

Excuse me butting in.....but I am stuck

The link takes me to a page that produces this warning

 

When I click on the link "Go to the website for the European Region" it takes me to: https://worldofwarships.eu/

i.e the standard main page for WoWS EU-region.

Could you advise me please on how I can get to the EU modstation page from ther. I've stumbled around the menus, but as the old saying goes "I cannot see for looking".

Thanks (anyone) in advance.

[ollonborre]

2 minutes ago, Admiral_H_Nelson said:

Excuse me butting in.....but I am stuck

The link takes me to a page that produces this warning

 

When I click on the link "Go to the website for the European Region" it takes me to: https://worldofwarships.eu/

i.e the standard main page for WoWS EU-region.

Could you advise me please on how I can get to the EU modstation page from ther. I've stumbled around the menus, but as the old saying goes "I cannot see for looking".

Thanks (anyone) in advance.

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/content/modstation/

 

This should be the one for EU.

[Riggerby]

4 minutes ago, Admiral_H_Nelson said:

Excuse me butting in.....but I am stuck

The link takes me to a page that produces this warning

 

When I click on the link "Go to the website for the European Region" it takes me to: https://worldofwarships.eu/

i.e the standard main page for WoWS EU-region.

Could you advise me please on how I can get to the EU modstation page from ther. I've stumbled around the menus, but as the old saying goes "I cannot see for looking".

Thanks (anyone) in advance.

Ahhh i apologize mate, I posted the US link didn't i. Sorry, it was the first one that came up when i searched.

 

Here you go lad https://worldofwarships.eu/en/content/modstation/

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

4 minutes ago, ollonborre said:

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/content/modstation/

 

This should be the one for EU.

 

3 minutes ago, Riggerby said:

Ahhh i apologize mate, I posted the US link didn't i. Sorry, it was the first one that came up when i searched.

 

Here you go lad https://worldofwarships.eu/en/content/modstation/

Thank you!

I shall give it a go, and if it still cannot see properly after this then I am not going to worry about the colour of ships any more.

If it looks like a ship I'll just open fire. I need my dakka fix!

Anf If I turn purple then i'll know it was the wrong ship!

[PeteEarthling]

54 minutes ago, Admiral_H_Nelson said:

I shall give it a go, and if it still cannot see properly after this then I am not going to worry about the colour of ships any more.

I tried out my NVIDIA filters and found the vintage sepia one very nice... not being able to tell friend from foe actually enhanced the game experience.

[Tatsfield]

I don't like the reduced visibility that the bad weather brings and I do sympathise with older players about sight issues as I am certainly an older player!  But I do worry about the ability to reduce in-game effects that should be standard for all players.  I don't like to think that while I'm squinting to see the bow outline of a target to evaluate my shooting lead, other players are able to see my outline in their binoculars as clear as day.  If there were ways of making shells home onto citadels automatically, everyone would complain about those players who availed themselves of the option but when WG introduce a realism aspect to the game, no one sees anything wrong with players dumbing down the realism to gain an advantage.  If the weather visibility parameters can be negated, WG shouldn't put them in and if they insist on putting them in, they should remove any way which their effects can be reduced.  Prowess in this game should be measured by skill under a commonly played operating system and not by an ability to manipulate the way it works because although I have never ever posted complaining about "cheating", isn't that the definition of cheating?

[Miscommunication]

I don't like the Thunderstorm mechanic at all actually, seems like a pretty unnecessary addition to the game. Especially when literally can't distinguish the ships from the sea but they can still clearly see you.