belfast Dear Devs, bring back the Original Belfast in store (and the other!)

[DaantioHrothgarson]

Hi everyone

I open this topic, because since I play WoWs, I never had a (real) possibility to have "Belfast" and I think, I'm not  the only one (also right for other ships).

There are many ship you can obtain through a super container, BUT you have only a probability of 1.5% to have one... Worse, even less probability to have a ship with this method... and last there are hundred ship you can obtain! only good point, you won't have a ship you already have...

 

So 1%(Ship) of 1%(Ship Container, I suppose) of 1.5% (Super Container), 1 to 3 time each day and if you are unlucky like me...

 

My Idea is, put in this topic the name of the ship you want to have. Maybe some Devs will see it and do something... but I'm not too optimist, but at least I tried!

[ColonelPete]

The Devs know of this and they decided against it, for the good of the game.

[doerhoff_damian]

The Belfast was Overpowered and as a Result of this had to be removed.

The only Way that that Ship would ever come back is that WG would release many new Ships that are so strong that Belfast looks ok and then also Buff all the other Older Ships to the same Level.

So you would need to Buff every Ship to Belfast Level.

If you ask me I think that is not necessary.

I think that would be too much unnecassary Work for WG

[ollonborre]

A lot of those ships were removed for a reason. Good or bad in some cases but mostly for the better. If you want those ships, well you have to gamble for them. Not the best practice perhaps but it is what it is.

[ThePurpleSmurf]

24 minutes ago, doerhoff_damian said:

The Belfast was Overpowered and as a Result of this had to be removed.

Keyword here is 'was', but i'm not so sure if the op argument is still valid. I've seen a couple of streamer, which are unicum/superunicum, play Belfast on stream and got smacked around pretty hard. Powercreep and the IFHE nerf seem to have weaken Belfast quite a lot, same as other former so called op ships at tier 7 like Atlanta and Flint. I don't have Belfast, so i don't know, but i have Flint and it sucks for a while now and will suck even more with the upcoming commander skill rework.

[Flock_Undead]

43 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

The Devs know of this and they decided against it, for the good of the game.

I'd rather call it for the good of their pockets since they dont hesitate on putting those overpowered monsters into lootboxes.

 

Its called "playing on psychological triggers" - in this case its "FOMO - Fear of Missing out".

Its utterly pathetic what this company does, but its not really something new either.

The thing that baffles me more is that naive guys like you still dont realize that they dont care about the game.

They care about you as an individual person just as much as they care about the feedback that we give them.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

I want Type 59 in the shop.

 

(No, not the camo.) 

[22cm]

47 minutes ago, DaantioHrothgarson said:

Hi everyone

I open this topic, because since I play WoWs, I never had a (real) possibility to have "Belfast" and I think, I'm not  the only one (also right for other ships).

There are many ship you can obtain through a super container, BUT you have only a probability of 1.5% to have one... Worse, even less probability to have a ship with this method... and last there are hundred ship you can obtain! only good point, you won't have a ship you already have...

 

So 1%(Ship) of 1%(Ship Container, I suppose) of 1.5% (Super Container), 1 to 3 time each day and if you are unlucky like me...

 

My Idea is, put in this topic the name of the ship you want to have. Maybe some Devs will see it and do something... but I'm not too optimist, but at least I tried!

Ships like Belfast and Smolensk are toxic for this game.

 

In the case you really need some rare ships to strut in, can I recommend you Krasnyi Krim? Looks good, has a beautiful name, and you ll be the only proud owner of this rare ship in your games.

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, Flock_Undead said:

I'd rather call it for the good of their pockets since they dont hesitate on putting those overpowered monsters into lootboxes.

 

Its called "playing on psychological triggers" - in this case its "FOMO - Fear of Missing out".

Its utterly pathetic what this company does, but its not really something new either.

The thing that baffles me more is that naive guys like you still dont realize that they dont care about the game.

They care about you as an individual person just as much as they care about the feedback that we give them.

I am pretty sure they would earn more money by selling her directly.

[ollonborre]

Just now, ThePurpleSmurf said:

Keyword here is 'was', but i'm not so sure if the op argument is still valid. I've seen a couple of streamer, which are unicum/superunicum, play Belfast on stream and got smacked around pretty hard. Powercreep and the IFHE nerf seem to have weaken Belfast quite a lot, same as other former so called op ships at tier 7 like Atlanta and Flint. I don't have Belfast, so i don't know, but i have Flint and it sucks for a while now and will suck even more with the upcoming commander skill rework.

Flint got slammed hard by the IFHE rework. Belfast got hit a bit, but not nearly as hard. Because much like the Daring you basically got a free RPF to make DD lives more miserable.

 

The biggest issue with it right now is mainly linked to tier 7 MM that seems to throw you in higher tier matches more often. The Belfast is still an extremely strong ship with one of the more broken toolboxes avaliable even today, but at the end of the day it is still a tier 7, and getting thrown into tier 8-9 matches a lot limits your carry potential when faced with more present longer range radars and large quantities of HE resistant BB's.

[doerhoff_damian]

Vor 2 Minuten, ThePurpleSmurf sagte:

Keyword here is 'was', but i'm not so sure if the op argument is still valid. I've seen a couple of streamer, which are unicum/superunicum, play Belfast on stream and got smacked around pretty hard. Powercreep and the IFHE nerf seem to have weaken Belfast quite a lot, same as other former so called op ships at tier 7 like Atlanta and Flint. I don't have Belfast, so i don't know, but i have Flint and it sucks for a while now and will suck even more with the upcoming commander skill rework

Flint can still be fun as long as you have someone to spot for you. But she may not be Overpowerded. Atlanta is definitely not OP unless you are is the right Spot.

Then again Belfast has a Smoke/Radar Combo that the other Ships do not have. So she can take Caps by hershelf 

[DaantioHrothgarson]

Il y a 4 minutes, 22cm a dit :

In the case you really need some rare ships to strut in, can I recommend you Krasnyi Krim? Looks good, has a beautiful name, and you ll be the only proud owner of this rare ship in your games.

Thanks for the recommendation, but I'm not intereted by it right now

[anonym_cOm3uxApUSdG]

Vor 2 Stunden, DaantioHrothgarson sagte:

I open this topic, because since I play WoWs, I never had a (real) possibility to have "Belfast" and I think, I'm not  the only one (also right for other ships).

Hello,

 

everybody a Belfast.

 

Will / would be an interesting battle: 12x Belfast against 12x Belfast!

 

A dream or a nightmare?

 

Kind regards

 

Sorry for my bad English

[Karasu_Browarszky]

10 minutes ago, 22cm said:

 

 

In the case you really need some rare ships to strut in, can I recommend you Krasnyi Krim? Looks good, has a beautiful name, and you ll be the only proud owner of this rare ship in your games.

 

It is also rare in the sense that it was a real, existing Soviet Ship. Though, of course, it was Russian built originally.

[Miscommunication]

I'd just like the Kamikaze or the Kamikaze R back in some form or another.

[22cm]

Just save up arround 500-1000 euros until Chistmas and buy Christmas containers.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

Just now, 22cm said:

Just save up arround 500-1000 euros until Chistmas and buy Christmas containers.

 

That's the Christmas spirit! Xo xo xo!

[anonym_cwVecOS6ecVy]

57 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

The Devs know of this and they decided against it, for the good of the game.

The only thing the devs know about is milking the player base with ridiculous loot boxes and laughable chances to get the "super duper OP premium" which you most likely never will obtain anyway. Every single year the whining gets louder about how people sink hundreds of dollars into loot boxes expecting to get a certain ship. Additionally, the percentage of players who could actually really make use of a Belfast etc. is so damn low that it totally would not matter to sell these ships again. The complete meta is unbalanced currently. It is completely obvious WG does not care at all about educating the player base, allowing 50 PR players to die and cash themselves into tier 8-10 ships. 99% of players would rush in and die with these "OP" ships and never touch them again after a handful of battles. The monetization comes to life with the rumors and legends of "OP ships" which you can only obtain through loot boxes.

16 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

I am pretty sure they would earn more money by selling her directly.

The actual reason for the insane revenues in "free to play" gaming worldwide, especially on mobile devices, is purely based on loot box monetization. Little bits of cash here and there add up to enormous revenues per player lifetime. Also you can be sure about a certain degree of manipulation with loot boxes, e.g. setting them up with higher drop chances when the sellout begins, so many players are bragging with unbelievable drops, flooding the forums and YouTube comments with how good the current boxes are, or giving away higher drop rate boxes to influencers. There are millions of other ways to manipulate loot boxes and mislead players. And in all games a certain degree of these mechanisms are being used. In some cases legally, in others illegally or in shady grey zones. You can be sure about it. I hope I do not destroy your impression of this world, I am working in the mobile gaming industry for 10 years and know what is going on generally. The majority of players would simply turn their back on entire franchises and the modern gaming industry in general if they only had a glimpse of what actually is going on. And yes, I can still have fun knowing about it.

[Verblonde]

15 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

I'd just like the Kamikaze or the Kamikaze R back in some form or another.

I suspect that this wouldn't be a terribly good idea:

 

 

For context, my overall WR in DDs is a shade north of 49% at time of writing...

 

Of course, this doesn't stop WG using these things as blatant bait for Xmas containers (although mine fell out of a SC - the best thing I've ever got from one, by miles).

[anonym_cwVecOS6ecVy]

Just now, Verblonde said:

I suspect that this wouldn't be a terribly good idea:

 

 

For context, my overall WR in DDs is a shade north of 49% at time of writing...

 

Of course, this doesn't stop WG using these things as blatant bait for Xmas containers (although mine fell out of a SC - the best thing I've ever got from one, by miles).

Play a solid 100 battles more in it to even get a slight glimpse of your constant performance in this ship. I am not saying it is not strong, but a) Performance peaks ease out the more games are being played and b) The vast majority of players performs way worse than average ship statistic suggest. Would certain ships ruin single games in today's meta? Yes, maybe. But they would not be more annoying than the casual CV rape or land slide defeat games. Would they ruin the entire game? Not at all.

[ColonelPete]

7 minutes ago, Von_Pruss said:

The actual reason for the insane revenues in "free to play" gaming worldwide, especially on mobile devices, is purely based on loot box monetization. Little bits of cash here and there add up to enormous revenues per player lifetime. Also you can be sure about a certain degree of manipulation with loot boxes, e.g. setting them up with higher drop chances when the sellout begins, so many players are bragging with unbelievable drops, flooding the forums and YouTube comments with how good the current boxes are, or giving away higher drop rate boxes to influencers. There are millions of other ways to manipulate loot boxes and mislead players. And in all games a certain degree of these mechanisms are being used. In some cases legally, in others illegally or in shady grey zones. You can be sure about it. I hope I do not destroy your impression of this world, I am working in the mobile gaming industry for 10 years and know what is going on generally. The majority of players would simply turn their back on entire franchises and the modern gaming industry in general if they only had a glimpse of what actually is going on. And yes, I can still have fun knowing about it.

And? The gambling would still work, even if you could buy Belfast directly. WG would get the revenue on top.

And there are a lof of videos of CC being very unlucky with bucketloads of boxes on the first day. Hinting at dropchance manipulation without proof is a bit meh...

[Karasu_Browarszky]

1 minute ago, ColonelPete said:

And? The gambling would still work, even if you could buy Belfast directly. WG would get the revenue on top.

And there are a lof of videos of CC being very unlucky with bucketloads of boxes on the first day. Hinting at dropchance manipulation without proof is a bit meh...

 

Boxes they bought with their own money, I take it?

[anonym_cwVecOS6ecVy]

1 minute ago, ColonelPete said:

And? The gambling would still work, even if you could buy Belfast directly. WG would get the revenue on top. 

And there are a lof of videos of CC being very unlucky with bucketloads of boxes on the first day. Hinting at dropchance manipulation without proof is a bit meh...

1. You, Sir, should step up your mathematics.
2. It's totally fine if you don't believe in things you cannot see.

[Verblonde]

5 minutes ago, Von_Pruss said:

Play a solid 100 battles more in it to even get a slight glimpse of your constant performance in this ship.

It's going to take a while (although I have 80% in Fujin after only 10 battles, which is consistent, albeit statistically not significant) - I feel rather guilty playing these things too often...

[ColonelPete]

3 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

Boxes they bought with their own money, I take it?

Sometimes yes, sometimes no, sometimes partly. Does it matter?

1 minute ago, Von_Pruss said:

1. You, Sir, should step up your mathematics.
2. It's totally fine if you don't believe in things you cannot see.

1. They are fine
2. I do not believe in stuff without proof.