General Submarines related discussions

[Yosha_AtaIante]

1 minute ago, plain_average said:

Yes

I see. Thanks for telling me about how terrible you think WGs game development is. Your opinion is highly valued 

[Captain_Lootbox]

1 minute ago, Zuihou_Kai_Ni said:

I see. Thanks for telling me about how terrible you think WGs game development is. Your opinion is highly valued 

Im sure you dont care one bit about their opinion, even if they gave a more in depth version of it.

[plain_average]

Just now, Zuihou_Kai_Ni said:

I see. Thanks for telling me about how terrible you think WGs game development is. Your opinion is highly valued 

You are welcome - not that I care about your thanks. You clearly love subs and are a lost cause. Or perhaps you also suffer from the sunk cost fallacy - you have spent too much money on this game - and refuse to see the state its in and desperately tries to convince yourself that its still a good game.

[Captain_Lootbox]

2 minutes ago, plain_average said:

You are welcome - not that I care about your thanks. You clearly love subs and are a lost cause. Or perhaps you also suffer from the sunk cost fallacy - you have spent too much money on this game - and refuse to see the state its in and desperately tries to convince yourself that its still a good game.

for a sub game, World of Warships is good from a sub players point of view.  Its one of the best sub games out there.   It just doesnt fit into a game where the warships are playable.  It just becomes World of Targets.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

2 minutes ago, plain_average said:

convince yourself that its still a good game.

I actually enjoy this game. If you cared to look at my stats of my recent games my performance is the best its ever been. And I enjoy having success in this game. Neither subs or CVs ruin my experience because I don't give them any power over me like you defeatists do. But you can just continue to cope on the forums. Maybe one day you'll realize that subs aren't the problem. And if they truly make you not enjoy the game it's you who is incapable of moving on clearly 

 

5 minutes ago, Captain_Lootbox said:

you dont care one bit about their opinion,

of course I don't care. Why should I? Also what would me caring change? Absolutely nothing as me not caring changes nothing 

[Captain_Lootbox]

1 minute ago, Zuihou_Kai_Ni said:

I actually enjoy this game. If you cared to look at my stats of my recent games my performance is the best its ever been. And I enjoy having success in this game. Neither subs or CVs ruin my experience because I don't give them any power over me like you defeatists do. But you can just continue to cope on the forums. Maybe one day you'll realize that subs aren't the problem. And if they truly make you not enjoy the game it's you who is incapable of moving on clearly 

 

of course I don't care. Why should I? Also what would me caring change? Absolutely nothing as me not caring changes nothing 

Hey, I'm sorry for giving my opinion on the game.   I'll stop doing it if you see a differing opinion as cope. It wasnt how it was meant nor was it meant to come across that way.   I never said I didnt enjoy the game, I do.  There's certain aspects of the game I dont enjoy, there some I totally avoid or play a lot less,  but on the whole i think its a very good game.  I've been here 7 years so I think that tells a lot in itself.

[plain_average]

3 minutes ago, Zuihou_Kai_Ni said:

If you cared to look at my stats

Aah yes - here it comes - one of the unicums that says nothing is wrong with the game - just because they cope with the broken mechanics.

I see where this is going and you are ending up on my ignore list :-)

Thanks again to @SmegTheNoob for telling me its possible.

No need to listen to forum warriors flaunting their skills and saying nothing is wrong with the game.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

1 minute ago, plain_average said:

Thanks again to @SmegTheNoob for telling me its possible.

Yes do that so you can continue ignoring until only people who agree with you are visible. That's the only way for you to feel comfortable here it seems anyway 

[Captain_Lootbox]

1 minute ago, Zuihou_Kai_Ni said:

Yes do that so you can continue ignoring until only people who agree with you are visible. That's the only way for you to feel comfortable here it seems anyway 

The irony of that comment

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Just now, Captain_Lootbox said:

The irony of that comment

You understand that this is about the ignore function on the forum that removes the display of posts of users you set on it?

[Captain_Lootbox]

43 minutes ago, Zuihou_Kai_Ni said:

You understand that this is about the ignore function on the forum that removes the display of posts of users you set on it?

block and move on

[plain_average]

Please explain to me - is it my imagination or can sub torpedos magically reacquire a homing target after you have broken the first target lock?

 

i.e. torp ping me, fire torps - they start homing - I press my "R" key and they stop homing - and if I get pinged again, they will start homing again?

[Schelfie]

26 minutes ago, plain_average said:

Please explain to me - is it my imagination or can sub torpedos magically reacquire a homing target after you have broken the first target lock?

 

i.e. torp ping me, fire torps - they start homing - I press my "R" key and they stop homing - and if I get pinged again, they will start homing again?

Yes they do. Didn't you know? Wifi was also invented during WW2.

 

Next are subs with patriot rockets and ICBM's to demolish the entire enemy fleet in one shot...

 

[plain_average]

3 minutes ago, Schelfie said:

Yes they do. Didn't you know? Wifi was also invented during WW2.

 

Next are subs with patriot rockets and ICBM's to demolish the entire enemy fleet in one shot...

 

I think its time to admit defeat and just play Co-Op - at least wargaming is still so incompetent that bots arent a threat

[Pukovnik7]

19 hours ago, Sunleader said:

 

TLDR

 

You cannot Name a Single Concrete thing I made up.

You choose to just Ignore the Fact that I just Showed You Numbers Proving the Average Playernumbers have actually not Dropped at all. And instead just Repeat Your Claim that WoWs is losing Players.

And You dont care about the Facts of WG being exceedingly Succesful because of Your Personal Opinion.

 

Interesting.

 

As for Naval Action.

Well Mate. Then go Play that. :)

There is no Sense in Staying in a Game thats not Fun for You.

 

 

EU server:

Jan 22 - Jan 23 average players 12141

Jan 21 - Jan 22                 "            13038

Jan 20 - Jan 21                 "            14749

Jan 19 - Jan 20                 "            12458

Jan 18 - Jan 19                 "            12740

 

NA server:

Jan 22 - Jan 23                 "            7275

Jan 21 - Jan 22                 "            8110

Jan 20 - Jan 21                 "            9467

Jan 19 - Jan 20                 "            7903

Jan 18 - Jan 19                 "            8224

 

RU Server:

Jan 22 - Jan 23 = 7764

Jan 18 - Jan 19 = 11218

 

Asia Server:

Jan 22 - Jan 23 = 8223

Jan 20 - Jan 21 = 9884 (COVID)

Jan 18 - Jan 19 = 5389

 

 

Only Asian server has gained players, and even that is only true if you are comparing it to 2015. Asian server has been slowly contracting since early 2020., North American server since mid-2020., and Russian server since... 2015? Only EU server is remaining stable.

[Sunleader]

1 hour ago, Pukovnik7 said:

EU server:

Jan 22 - Jan 23 average players 12141

Jan 21 - Jan 22                 "            13038

Jan 20 - Jan 21                 "            14749

Jan 19 - Jan 20                 "            12458

Jan 18 - Jan 19                 "            12740

 

NA server:

Jan 22 - Jan 23                 "            7275

Jan 21 - Jan 22                 "            8110

Jan 20 - Jan 21                 "            9467

Jan 19 - Jan 20                 "            7903

Jan 18 - Jan 19                 "            8224

 

RU Server:

Jan 22 - Jan 23 = 7764

Jan 18 - Jan 19 = 11218

 

Asia Server:

Jan 22 - Jan 23 = 8223

Jan 20 - Jan 21 = 9884 (COVID)

Jan 18 - Jan 19 = 5389

 

 

Only Asian server has gained players, and even that is only true if you are comparing it to 2015. Asian server has been slowly contracting since early 2020., North American server since mid-2020., and Russian server since... 2015? Only EU server is remaining stable.

 

Nice Nice.

 

Now.

Why Did You Start Counting in 2018 instead of 2017 ? :)

Why Did You Count 1 Year Back instad of 1 Full Year ? :) 

Why Did You Ignore Large Parts of the Asian and RU Server in between ? :)

 

The Answer is

1.

In 2017 the Numbers were quite a bit Lower than 2018 so Starting in 2018 Allows You to Claim its a Decline compared to the Starting Point. :)

2.

Because otherwise the Number You used for 2022 would be Higher. Because by just using the Number from 1 Year Back thus Including January and February You are Including the Early Year Low Season which puts the Number Lower as otherwise it would be around 12300 instead.

3.

Because these Numbers dont Fit Your Narrative. So You just Decided to not put too much effort into it.

 

 

 

I am a Math Guy Mate.

If You want to Fiddle Numbers with me You need to do a Better Job.

 

 

 

 

[Dbars_eu]

Started playing the game again after a few years off. Subs dont feel as bad as people say, i dont understand the fuss. They are easily killed because of their low HP and plane ASW.(why arnt DDs the best sub hunters?) Most subs dont have much impact on a battle and really dont get to do much dmg based on my experience. Ive played a few games in the Alliance and subs are really hard to play. I either die with a bit of dmg or get zero dmg and live. Most people freak out once they get pinged and mash the DCP. Which is the wrong thing to do. I do think the DCP is way too over stressed in game atm. Id like to see other options such as upgrades or captain skill to lessen some of that pressure. 

 

Justmy2cent from someone who hasnt played in a long time and enjoys the game still. (ppl should take more breaks)

[Hugh_Ruka]

11 hours ago, Sunleader said:

I am a Math Guy Mate.

If You want to Fiddle Numbers with me You need to do a Better Job.

 

 

 

 

Oh why don't you suggest just comparing the numbers when the game launched ? Those were the highest in history ... oh wait ...

 

He did include the relevant numbers because they height of popularity in recent years was due to external influence (covid) and not game quality ... now we are back at what game quality gives us ... and it sure does not look that well ... also why would Asia serve be relevant to the main point other than a point of comparison ?

[lup3s]

Spoiler

I am a Math Guy Mate.

 

[TStick]

I doubt WoWs is in decline in total. I do suspect the game relies heavily on new blood filling the ranks of long time players taking ever longer breaks from this game. You see an occasional spike of returning customers when a new patch/content drops, followed by a steep decline the next days because the new stuff fails to engage the existing long time players long term. How long this model is viable, remains to be seen. I personally find the clusterfuck of clickery a man has to do in this game to get goodies and trinkets annoying AF.

[SurfaceFish]

26 minutes ago, TStick said:

I personally find the clusterfuck of clickery a man has to do in this game to get goodies and trinkets annoying AF.

Same here. I given up try to complete missions WG throw at us for some made up trinkets. 

 

lf I want to get rewards for doing something I don't enjoy, I'll get a second job or overtime at work with my time. 

[Sunleader]

2 hours ago, Hugh_Ruka said:

Oh why don't you suggest just comparing the numbers when the game launched ? Those were the highest in history ... oh wait ...

 

He did include the relevant numbers because they height of popularity in recent years was due to external influence (covid) and not game quality ... now we are back at what game quality gives us ... and it sure does not look that well ... also why would Asia serve be relevant to the main point other than a point of comparison ?

 

1.

Nope.

The Year of Launch it was 10256

First Year after Launch it was 11835

 

You are Again only Looking at a Few Hour Peak of Lots of People Checking out the Game which Says nothing about wether or not the Game is Succesful.

But we were Talking about the actual Average Playernumbers. So the Actual Players being Online to Play with.

 

Now the Year of Launch would not make Sense because its Skewed Numbers. Half the Year is Dead and if You only Counted the other Half You would have Numbers from a Short Lasting High that would be Wrong too.

Hence why the Year After would make more Sense in a Year to Year Comparisson.

 

2.

Except he did not. He Started 2 Years before the Pandemic because thats the furthest he could go without the Numbers for Last Year being Higher than what he Shows.

Meaning had he instead Started 3 Years before the Pandemic. It would have Shown that the Numbers actually Increased since then. Which is not what he wanted to Show.

Its a Typical Method of Fiddling in Statistics to Support Your Point.

 

And Mind You. Even if we Look at these Numbers. The Numbers are basicly Unchanged.

Even if we go by his Numbers. We would have a Drop of a bit over 4% in 5 Years.

Thats not even worth Talking about.

 

3.

He also actually used Wrong Numbers.

For 2022 he just Clicked on "1 Year" Option and used that Number.

But we got March 2023. So this basicly gave him the Number for March 2022 till March 2023 instead of the Year 2022.

Thats why instead of 12300 he got 12100 for 2022.

 

4.

And well. Is the Asia Server not World of Warships ?

What is this Quality of the Game You Talk about ? :)

Is that an Objective Value You can Define or is that just Your Personal Opinion of the Game which we already know is Bad ?

See Mate.

 

 

 

 

TLDR.

Guys with all Due Respect. I get that You dislike the Changes to the Game. Especially Submarines.

But You need to Face Reality.

You are NOT a Majority.

World of Warships is NOT Dying.

And no Matter how much You Cry here and Pretend that Submarines are Destroying the Game. The Fact is. The Game is doing Fine and wont go anywhere for the Foreseeable Future.

 

[Aethervoxx]

On 3/5/2023 at 7:38 AM, Schelfie said:

Wifi was also invented during WW2.

By Hedy Lamarr , if I'm not mistaken. 

[Aethervoxx]

5 hours ago, Sunleader said:

You are NOT a Majority.

The only majority, unfortunately,  that counts here is the majority of One =  'Wedgie'  

[Sunleader]

41 minutes ago, Aethervoxx said:

The only majority, unfortunately,  that counts here is the majority of One =  'Wedgie'  

 

Keep telling Yourself that.

So You can keep Ignoring the Fact that Tens of Thousands of Players keep Playing the Game and Continue believing that 50 or so Forumites, that claim Subs Ruin the Game,  are representing the Community ;)