General Submarines related discussions

[BLUB__BLUB]

3 hours ago, Aethervoxx said:

Don't feed the Koi - they just gulp for more.

 

Yeah but they suck your finger so nicely. 

[Captain_Lootbox]

Anyone know of any other good submarine games?   So far World of Warships is the best. I tried Cold Waters but its not as good.

[DeviousDave02]

@Captain_Lootbox You are trying way to hard here...

 

[Migantium_Mashum]

On 2/28/2023 at 10:31 PM, Captain_Lootbox said:

Anyone know of any other good submarine games?   So far World of Warships is the best. I tried Cold Waters but its not as good.

Try this but you'd actually have to play a Submarine properly and unfortunately they don't have homing torpedoes like the crap we have here, nor do the Subs ping in one place and magically appear 10km away from the ping..

 

Silent Hunter®: Wolves of the Pacific on Steam (steampowered.com)

 

I imagine you sitting in front of your monitor like this...

 

 

 

[Captain_Lootbox]

5 hours ago, Migantium_Mashum said:

Try this but you'd actually have to play a Submarine properly and unfortunately they don't have homing torpedoes like the crap we have here, nor do the Subs ping in one place and magically appear 10km away from the ping..

 

Silent Hunter®: Wolves of the Pacific on Steam (steampowered.com)

 

I imagine you sitting in front of your monitor like this...

 

 

 

Going by my win rate I think that baby has better hand/eye coordination than me.

[bouncer8409]

 

 

For the love of god WeeGee remove those idiotic homing torps !

[Sunleader]

10 minutes ago, bouncer8409 said:

 

 

For the love of god WeeGee remove those idiotic homing torps !

 

And replace it with what ? :)

[bouncer8409]

7 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

And replace it with what ? :)

 

Gee, how about normal torps.

[Migantium_Mashum]

36 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

And replace it with what ? :)

There are plenty of established Submarine Warfare games on the market.. Surely WG game designers can buy one to see how other companies do things?

 

 

[Sunleader]

38 minutes ago, bouncer8409 said:

Gee, how about normal torps.

 

Wont work.

The Average Player barely gets any Damage with the Homing Torps before is killed by Depth Charge Airstrikes.

 

 

8 minutes ago, Migantium_Mashum said:

There are plenty of established Submarine Warfare games on the market.. Surely WG game designers can buy one to see how other companies do things?

 

And Which Games would that be ?

Because frankly. I dont know a Single Game that offers Fast 20 Minute PvP Matches with Subs and Surface Warships.

[Aethervoxx]

I thought the Forum here only had  one  renowned contrarian   

[Captain_Lootbox]

1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

 

And replace it with what ? :)

Sub and boat launched Exocet Missiles

[Smit21]

In my personal opinion submarines is going to take playerbase from game in trade for subs. New players are coming hyped with subs but they are just passing through game.

WG need new mode where subs are in game, so players can choose. (when they already put them in the game and no one asked for).

Homing torps? Really bad idea. 

So for now i'm out from game. 

GL WG with your game.

[Pukovnik7]

 

Basically, while there are obviously variations, player count has been dropping ever since submarines got introduced.

[Shaka_D]

2 hours ago, Pukovnik7 said:

........player count has been dropping ever since submarines got introduced.

How do you justify that exactly? Sounds a little post hoc ergo propter hoc to me. If occurrence B immediately follows occurrence A, it cannot simply be assumed that A caused B, unless of course you have definite evidence. I haven't been playing much lately myself. In fact, the one thing that has kept me interested was subs. Life happens and sometimes people leave.

 

When you think about it, WG have no long term retention policy that actively rewards veterans other than a few annual events that provide momentary bursts of enthusiasm (for me anyways), and then after that the same old recipe applies with the same ol 'early release'. etc formulas which are boring as hell (not that hell is boring, I'm sure). I'm not interested in clan wars because this makes the game feel more like a job, brawls are boring, and I'm tired of chasing ship after ship because I'll never play them all and pixel collections are a foolish mans fantasy imho. Ranked is the only thing I dabble in mostly because of the more instant reward for playing and winning a few games, i.e. steel, dubloons, etc. If they lessen these, I'll lose interest.

 

It's a game you can always come back to after a rest, but I'm finding as I did for world of tanks I never truly return and start spending less money over time. I really should find a few friends to play with, but what's the end game, what's the point? And I'm not a great ambassador for the game because I don't feel WG value me as a long term player, so I won't promote the game for them.

 

In others words, there are numerous reasons player numbers could be dwindling, not just because of subs.

[SurfaceFish]

If only playing against sub is fun as in this movie. I think the director did not do his research correctly, where are the homing torpedoes!?

 

[Pukovnik7]

9 hours ago, Shaka_D said:

How do you justify that exactly? Sounds a little post hoc ergo propter hoc to me. If occurrence B immediately follows occurrence A, it cannot simply be assumed that A caused B, unless of course you have definite evidence. I haven't been playing much lately myself. In fact, the one thing that has kept me interested was subs. Life happens and sometimes people leave.

 

When you think about it, WG have no long term retention policy that actively rewards veterans other than a few annual events that provide momentary bursts of enthusiasm (for me anyways), and then after that the same old recipe applies with the same ol 'early release'. etc formulas which are boring as hell (not that hell is boring, I'm sure). I'm not interested in clan wars because this makes the game feel more like a job, brawls are boring, and I'm tired of chasing ship after ship because I'll never play them all and pixel collections are a foolish mans fantasy imho. Ranked is the only thing I dabble in mostly because of the more instant reward for playing and winning a few games, i.e. steel, dubloons, etc. If they lessen these, I'll lose interest.

 

It's a game you can always come back to after a rest, but I'm finding as I did for world of tanks I never truly return and start spending less money over time. I really should find a few friends to play with, but what's the end game, what's the point? And I'm not a great ambassador for the game because I don't feel WG value me as a long term player, so I won't promote the game for them.

 

In others words, there are numerous reasons player numbers could be dwindling, not just because of subs.

Ah yes, if person is shot in the head, and drops dead immediately afterwards, we cannot assume that it was bullet to the head that killed them.

 

Think about it: something changed in the game that caused people to start playing less. What changed about that time? Only introduction of submarines (and now hybrids as well).

 

If what you are saying really was true, then either a) game will have been dying (or dead) long time ago or b) player count would still be staying stable. Because frankly, everything you have listed was true since I first started playing back in 2017. And player count was stable. New people come in, old players get bored and leave, that is normal.

 

Yet it is only now that we see change. So you have to ask what changed. And new WeeGee's experiments are the only thing that did.

[Sunleader]

12 hours ago, Pukovnik7 said:

 

Basically, while there are obviously variations, player count has been dropping ever since submarines got introduced.

 

Except his Analysis is Complete Rubbish.

He keeps Comparing Different Times and always only small Areas etc.

Its the same as with the current thing about Sanctions on that Certain Country and its Special Operation. "Oh their Economy is Growing this Year. Sanctions aint Working" (Who Cares that their Economy was at 1.8 Trillion before and is now Supposedly Growing back to 1.6 Trillion after losing over 200 Billion in a Year. Clearly the Sanctions did nothing cuz Growing Bleh :P )

 

Its a Typical Flamu thing really.

He loves Hyperbole. Thats what he Earns his Money with. 

 

This is the Full Picture of the EU Server.

 

 

Pls Tell me where the Numbers Dropped.

In Asia Server the Numbers actually Grew.

In NA Server there is slight Decline over the last Year.

And well. Russian Server is a Heavy Decline. But lets Face it. People over there got other Problems than Playing World of Warships currently.....

 

 

So Yeah. Sorry. But Submarines wont Kill the Game.

I know You want it. Just like so many Snowflakes wanted it for whatever other Change they didnt like in the Past.

But its getting old to have the Doomsday Prophecies each Year. And the Fact is it wont happen.

 

You dont like it ?

Play something else.

Simple as that.

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

2 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

Except his Analysis is Complete Rubbish.

He keeps Comparing Different Times and always only small Areas etc.

Its the same as with the current thing about Sanctions on that Certain Country and its Special Operation. "Oh their Economy is Growing this Year. Sanctions aint Working" (Who Cares that their Economy was at 1.8 Trillion before and is now Supposedly Growing back to 1.6 Trillion after losing over 200 Billion in a Year. Clearly the Sanctions did nothing cuz Growing Bleh :P )

 

Its a Typical Flamu thing really.

He loves Hyperbole. Thats what he Earns his Money with. 

 

This is the Full Picture of the EU Server.

 

 

Pls Tell me where the Numbers Dropped.

In Asia Server the Numbers actually Grew.

In NA Server there is slight Decline over the last Year.

And well. Russian Server is a Heavy Decline. But lets Face it. People over there got other Problems than Playing World of Warships currently.....

 

 

So Yeah. Sorry. But Submarines wont Kill the Game.

I know You want it. Just like so many Snowflakes wanted it for whatever other Change they didnt like in the Past.

But its getting old to have the Doomsday Prophecies each Year. And the Fact is it wont happen.

 

You dont like it ?

Play something else.

Simple as that.

 

Oh look, average went up by 200 from when I last checked. game dying trust 

[Sunleader]

In the last few Years we had 5 Dumpster Fires that actually caused Problems to WG.

 

1.

The Original Variant of the Research Bureu that wanted to add "+1" and "+2" Ships. Basicly giving Direct Improvements to Ships which was Hated by the Community and Immediately Scrapped and Completely Changed by WG.

2.

The Puerto Rico Dumpster Fire which WG Pulled through in itself but then completely changed for the next Event.

3.

The CV Rework which WG Spend Hundreds of not Thousands of additional Manhours to somehow fix it enough that its working enough to not cause Players to Quit.

This one was actually the most Difficult and likely most Expensive for WG. Because it took very long to get it down to a level where they could leave it alone. And WG itself had to Abandon several of their own Goals in this like Increasing CV Player Population or making CVs more Accessible to Average Players.

The Cost here however is not due to Playerloss but due to the Insane amount of unplanned additional manhours that went into changes and development for CVs after it was supposed to be Finished.

4.

The Christmas Crate Scam Dumpster Fire where WG messed up and got tangled up Badly in Lootbox and Gambling Shenaningans. Resulting in them radically Changing how Transparent they are but also how alot of things work.

5.

And Finally the last Issue was the CC Exodus after Little White Mouse. This mostly Affected the NA Server. But also went into EU Server to some Degree because aside from the obvious Backlash from Fans and Followers of the Respective Content Creators that Denounced WG over this. It of course also caused alot of lost Advertisement for the Game usually done by these CCs many of which did Start to Diversify their Content and Reduced WG Content.

 

 

All of these Events can actually be found in the Server Statistics to some Degree.

And all of these Events due to the fact that it became Obvious in WGs Spreadsheets that things are going bad. Did cause a Response from WG to fix it or change it etc.

This Response was often not what the Community Hoped or Wanted. Sometimes it went at least into the Direction of what the Community wanted. (On the Research Bureu for example while it was added. The whole thing with Ships being Upgraded to +1 +2 etc was completely Scrapped) And sometimes WG simply tried to do the same thing but make it look different enough that People would not care this Time. (Lootboxes for example are still here. WG is mostly working on how the whole thing looks by being more Transparent on what you Gamble on vzt not so much on the Mechanic below it as they still try to make you Gamble) But it was always an actual Response with Action taken and that Response in some Cases was Rather Big causing Permanent Changes to the Game in total.

 

 

 

And Well.

Sorry to Tell You.

But Submarines so Far are just not on that List.

Frankly. Dissent about Submarines at this Point in time is still so Minor and Irrelevant that WG is feeling Safe enough to just Completely Ignore the Issue and add another Submarine Line.

Heck. Even that Slight Decline of Players on the NA Server is something that even now I would really Attribute more to the LWM Case than to Submarines. Because this Decline has been going for a while and NA was the Server where LWM was Really a Big well known and beloved Character that alot of People on the NA Server were very Angry about how WG handled her.

 

 

 

 

[MixuS]

31 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

But Submarines so Far are just not on that List.

They are not on that list because you made the list and chose not to put them on it. Someone else could make a very different list.

[Sunleader]

44 minutes ago, MixuS said:

They are not on that list because you made the list and chose not to put them on it. Someone else could make a very different list.

 

Sure.

If someone made a list of stuff the Forum Community hated but WG didnt care as the Playerbase didnt care then Subs would be on that list for sure.

But it would be irrelevant.

[CSS_modding_1]

On 10/22/2020 at 7:04 PM, bai7200 said:

Versterås dont have ASW weapons, so useless as a DD.

 

I had 26 hits to a sub and survived, had there been any other ships they would for sure killed me during my sub hunting.

Subs Can suddenly be invisible.

The speed of the sub are unrealistic.

A DD Can now be spotted for the rest of the enemy team by Planes, Radar and now Subs.

Airplane drooped charges Can be used to carpet bomb DD`s In their smoke screen.

 

please fix the following.

 

Spotting mechanic

A sub should not be able to survive 26 hits and still have a lot of HP left.

Aridropped charges should not be used as carpet bombs In smokescreens.

 

Or justforget all about it and un invent them, alternative make a seperate gamemode for them.

jea and wen u kill one u get almost no points

i think reward must be bigger wen u destroy an Invisible ship

[Porpoise]

I really do enjoy hunting subs with depth charges. It is so much fun when you succeed. 

 

I do not find subs overpowered, just annoying. They are another push-blocker definitely.  

[Haru6aTTop]

On 10/22/2020 at 10:41 AM, YabbaCoe said:

Commanders!

 

We would like to ask you to share your personal experience and feedback from Submarine Battles on TST server in this particular thread!

 

Please edit your messages, stay only on feedback and don't debate here. If you would like to debate about submarines, please do so in other threads.

Posts, that won't follow these rules will be hidden. 

 

Thanks for understanding and good luck in Submarine Battles!

 

 

Make better skill for commanders. Most of them are useless with addition for realizing skill ability.

And delete autoaim for CV against subs. They strike subs with preemtion bombs. There is no chance for sub against CV! CV's airstrike agains sub is total autoaim cheating!