General Submarines related discussions

[lovelacebeer]

5 hours ago, Sunleader said:

 

And Yet. This Small Group apparently promised enough Profits for WG to listen to them.

Meanwhile your obviously gigantic Group that doesnt want Submarines seems to be rather worthless as WG doesnt even bother giving You Proper Answers.

 

That Tiny Group of Dedicatet Sub Lovers must be Quite the Billionaires Club to outweigh You.

Actually it’s not in the least bit surprising if you think about it. The need to draw in new revenue encourages WG to try and expand the appeal of the game. Then when you consider the popularity of dedicated submarine games I can’t blame WG for trying to develop in that direction. 
 

Not to forget the aggressive advertising campaign for the WOWS submarines currently ongoing on YouTube.
 

I simply pointed out if you actually go and look at the old posts of WGs from before the submarine announcement, there was always one or two dedicated people calling for subs on every single post but it was never a significant body of people. 
 

 

[WingedHussar_Adler]

31 minutes ago, lovelacebeer said:

Actually it’s not in the least bit surprising if you think about it. The need to draw in new revenue encourages WG to try and expand the appeal of the game. Then when you consider the popularity of dedicated submarine games I can’t blame WG for trying to develop in that direction. 
 

Not to forget the aggressive advertising campaign for the WOWS submarines currently ongoing on YouTube.
 

I simply pointed out if you actually go and look at the old posts of WGs from before the submarine announcement, there was always one or two dedicated people calling for subs on every single post but it was never a significant body of people. 
 

 

hehehhe nice, but not true....there were more subs caller than todays we have CV whiners....so there were MANNYYY of them

[lovelacebeer]

3 minutes ago, WingedHussar_Adler said:

hehehhe nice, but not true....there were more subs caller than todays we have CV whiners....so there were MANNYYY of them

Show me one just one WOWS Facebook or Instagram post with your MANNYYY sub callers expressing their desire and I will concede the point. 

 

[WingedHussar_Adler]

4 minutes ago, lovelacebeer said:

Show me one just one WOWS Facebook or Instagram post with your MANNYYY sub callers expressing their desire and I will concede the point. 

 

ahah ahahah ahahahahah subs calling was the thing for 5 years...i really do not wish to flaterter explain that world is not flat...nejoy jor ilusion

[lovelacebeer]

1 minute ago, WingedHussar_Adler said:

ahah ahahah ahahahahah subs calling was the thing for 5 years...i really do not wish to flaterter explain that world is not flat...nejoy jor ilusion

I accept your graceful ceding of the point. 

[WingedHussar_Adler]

Just now, lovelacebeer said:

I accept your graceful ceding of the point. 

yeah...now you are free to continue crying

[lovelacebeer]

1 minute ago, WingedHussar_Adler said:

yeah...now you are free to continue crying

I will leave that to you, I know how you love to cry about your perceived forum crying. 

[WingedHussar_Adler]

6 minutes ago, lovelacebeer said:

I will leave that to you, I know how you love to cry about your perceived forum crying. 

gg

[Varian_Dorn]

Oddly enough various polls that were held on this very forum never produced a majority of people (read: more than 50%) who completely rejected submarines. Knowing this I find it highly arrogant and assumptious by any single person to speak for masses of people who just don´t exist, at least not in the proclaimed quantity.

 

And judging from a few random battles I have observed over the past few weeks submarines are not much more or less present than carriers. You know, ther last class that apparently so many people wanted to see removed

[SmegTheNoob]

11 hours ago, Sunleader said:

 

Yet You keep forgetting that the community kept asking for Subs again and again for WG to be forced to constantly comment on it.

That statement is a croc of crap.

Do you mean the "Silent Majority"?

I have been playing this game since the Closed Alpha, yet I don't remember any player asking for Submarines to be put into the game.

Like the other guy said "show us some prove and we will concede the point".

 

Remember that Wargaming got the idea of changing their mind about Subs from that first Halloween event that included Sub game play in it.

It's funny that after that first Halloween Event, I don't remember tons of players coming on here and saying "Hey that event was great, can we have Subs in the main game?".

[SmegTheNoob]

1 hour ago, Varian_Dorn said:

Oddly enough various polls that were held on this very forum never produced a majority of people (read: more than 50%) who completely rejected submarines. Knowing this I find it highly arrogant and assumptious by any single person to speak for masses of people who just don´t exist, at least not in the proclaimed quantity.

 

And judging from a few random battles I have observed over the past few weeks submarines are not much more or less present than carriers. You know, ther last class that apparently so many people wanted to see removed

All the polls that I have seen on the forums seem to show split results.

With something like 10% wanting Subs to stay, 40% wanting them to be removed from the game, and 40% wanting Subs to be put in their own  game mode.

With maybe another 10% saying they want Subs to be further re-worked.

It depends on the poll and the questions in that poll.

 

This is one of the most recent polls

Here is a poll from the NA forums https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/244363-neutral-poll-on-subs-in-0108/

 

But one thing is very clear. That is the fact that every poll I have seen, there has been total negativity towards Subs.

With VERY FEW players saying they love them and want them to stay the way they are now.

[lovelacebeer]

1 hour ago, Varian_Dorn said:

Knowing this I find it highly arrogant and assumptious by any single person to speak for masses of people who just don´t exist, at least not in the proclaimed quantity.

Personally I always find the arrogance of people on both sides of the debate who insist on saying “we want…” tiresome.

 

Why on earth people cannot just speak for themselves rather than always claiming they speak for the community at large.

[tom_kat]

1 hour ago, SmegTheNoob said:

That statement is a croc of crap.

Do you mean the "Silent Majority"?

I have been playing this game since the Closed Alpha, yet I don't remember any player asking for Submarines to be put into the game.

Like the other guy said "show us some prove and we will concede the point".

 

Remember that Wargaming got the idea of changing their mind about Subs from that first Halloween event that included Sub game play in it.

It's funny that after that first Halloween Event, I don't remember tons of players coming on here and saying "Hey that event was great, can we have Subs in the main game?".

Indeed. I remember that Halloween event. Was one of the most boring things I have play. And that feeling was common on almost every one I talked to (so my "silent majority" it's VERY SMALL), and we though that a separate gamemode would be developed... Not this complete mess of submarines. 

 

3 hours ago, lovelacebeer said:

Actually it’s not in the least bit surprising if you think about it. The need to draw in new revenue encourages WG to try and expand the appeal of the game. Then when you consider the popularity of dedicated submarine games I can’t blame WG for trying to develop in that direction. 
 

Not to forget the aggressive advertising campaign for the WOWS submarines currently ongoing on YouTube.
 

I simply pointed out if you actually go and look at the old posts of WGs from before the submarine announcement, there was always one or two dedicated people calling for subs on every single post but it was never a significant body of people. 
 

 

This is the truth. The company is trying to attract newcomers, offering an "arcade" submarine playstyle, very simple, not a simulator that requires hard time learning about all the mechanics, just some pings and homing torps. Moreover, they changed the faces on Youtube, showing younger people that, supported by a very aggresive marketing campaign (ffs I'm seeing WoWs commercials everywhere) is a well made strategy to try bring a younger playerbase. A younger playerbase that, on average, don't want to waste time on learning maps positioning, armor schemes, overmatch and all that complicated stuff, only ping-torp-and ship goes gluglú.

A new playerbase that won't write on the forums asking for MM balance neither for fixing bugs. A new playerbase that won't report the predatory loot boxes and early access crap. A new playerbase that would be perfect: just download the game, play some matches, spend a little amount of €, and leave the game. Like if they were playing some game on their mobile phones. A bit of marketing, a bit of server maintenance on a game with an antediluvian engine, a guy to fix game bugs and lots of profits. The perfect business.

[Excavatus]

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! 

 

Please stop engaging in a personal arguments and discussions which includes, 

mild insults, 

provocations, 

condesending comments, 

vulgar remarks, 

and etc. 

 

Take this as a final warning. 

Carry it into the PMs if you want, you'll get sanctioned anyway. 

But please stop polluting the public area. 

Thank you! 

 

PS: To be more clear,  not a single word and / or reply should come after this post. I believe people are intelligent enough to understand if this post is directed to them or not. 

Thank you very much. 

[SurfaceFish]

1 hour ago, Excavatus said:

PS: To be more clear,  not a single word and / or reply should come after this post

On the risk of been banned, do you mean this thread is closed for discussions?

[TheNubination]

48 minutes ago, SurfaceFish said:

On the risk of been banned, do you mean this thread is closed for discussions?

 My man, he's a mod, he can close a thread yes, this isn't the fable of the poisoned fruit here and you're not in the garden of eden. Obviously you can post in a stickied thread thats still open. 

[WingedHussar_Adler]

1 hour ago, SurfaceFish said:

On the risk of been banned, do you mean this thread is closed for discussions?

Discussion or crying? 

Instead of reading tips and tricks how play sub or against of them we have endless walls of crying without purpose or meaning...ffs it is easy. If subs or any class iritstes you that much....leave the game. Nobody forced you to be here. Posting how wg soucks and does know crap cause they do not follow your vision for 300 pages (that were created by 20 peoples, same ones who "keeps alive" CV whine thread) is boring and pointless. 

[SurfaceFish]

41 minutes ago, WingedHussar_Adler said:

Discussion or crying? 

Instead of reading tips and tricks how play sub or against of them we have endless walls of crying without purpose or meaning...ffs it is easy. If subs or any class iritstes you that much....leave the game. Nobody forced you to be here. Posting how wg soucks and does know crap cause they do not follow your vision for 300 pages (that were created by 20 peoples, same ones who "keeps alive" CV whine thread) is boring and pointless. 

 

That's more clear than that mod tried to be. He literally said he don't want to see "a single word" after his post. So that's not what he ment. 

 

But I'll wait to hear back from him. 

 

Also why can't we play submarine operations solo like other operations. Surly there is not a technical limitation. 

[WingedHussar_Adler]

So, did anybody played RN subs? How they compare to USA and KM

[SurfaceFish]

Just now, WingedHussar_Adler said:

So, did anybody played RN subs? How they compare to USA and KM

Not out for 3 more weeks. 

[WingedHussar_Adler]

1 minute ago, SurfaceFish said:

Not out for 3 more weeks. 

Were they on testserver?

[SurfaceFish]

Not sure, I didn't play PT. Seems like Haland, low damage and fast reload, so spamming torps all game?

[SmegTheNoob]

50 minutes ago, WingedHussar_Adler said:

Discussion or crying? 

Instead of reading tips and tricks how play sub or against of them we have endless walls of crying without purpose or meaning...ffs it is easy. If subs or any class iritstes you that much....leave the game. Nobody forced you to be here. Posting how wg soucks and does know crap cause they do not follow your vision for 300 pages (that were created by 20 peoples, same ones who "keeps alive" CV whine thread) is boring and pointless. 

The trouble is you are forgetting one thing.

If players do not come on the forum and explain why they don't like something that Wargaming did to the game. Then nothing would ever change.

Players do not want to be forced to leave the game. They want Wargaming to wake up and listen to their arguments.

 

I know that a lot of the time its a waste of time complaining about something. EG all the players in the matchmaking thread, calling for skill based matchmaking. We know that its highly unlikely that Wargaming will listen to them and bring in skill based matchmaking.

But if every player that didn't like some aspect of the game, just went and stopped playing.

Wargaming would not bat an eyelid about it. Unless a significant number of players did stop playing.

[Wackford]

All I wanted was a snorkel.

[WingedHussar_Adler]

7 minutes ago, SmegTheNoob said:

The trouble is you are forgetting one thing.

If players do not come on the forum and explain why they don't like something that Wargaming did to the game. Then nothing would ever change.

Players do not want to be forced to leave the game. They want Wargaming to wake up and listen to their arguments.

 

I know that a lot of the time its a waste of time complaining about something. EG all the players in the matchmaking thread, calling for skill based matchmaking. We know that its highly unlikely that Wargaming will listen to them and bring in skill based matchmaking.

But if every player that didn't like some aspect of the game, just went and stopped playing.

Wargaming would not bat an eyelid about it. Unless a significant number of players did stop playing.

Forum = 5-10% playerbase in every game 

 

First post "game is dieing if xyz does not change" was in 2016....game did not die

 

Also i get somebody is unahppy about something. But do we need 200 pages of same all arguments that will not change (not saying all argumenst are invalid)