General Submarines related discussions

[Yosha_AtaIante]

6 minutes ago, Panzer_Guido said:

because he cant do simple maneuvers

its literally simple maneuvers of course you are kind of bad if you can't do them

[Sunleader]

26 minutes ago, Panzer_Guido said:

so to summarize:

 

-I suck because I have friends and play in div

 

Oh not at All.

This is a Game. And You can Play it however You want. Thats not my Business.

 

Its just that if Your Stats mostly come from being Carried by Friends or Playing OP Tier 5 Ships.

You are not Someone who Should Lean out of the Window and Claim others are Statpadding by Playing OP Ships :)

Because if you do that You are a Hypocrit and I am going to call You out on it :)

 

Its the same as People that never Play Submarines and despite not even even knowing how Submarines Work constantly claiming stuff about how Submarines Work which of course ends up being completely wrong. 

This kind of Hypocrisy is just bound to be called out by anyone immediately.

 

26 minutes ago, Panzer_Guido said:

-Smeg sucks because he cant do simple maneuvers

 

Nope. The Reason that Smeg isnt a Good Player is 99% because he Refuses to make an Effort to Learn.

This in turn is also the Reason that he cant even do Simple Maneuvers like this.

Needless to Say that he has no Idea how most of the Games Mechanics Work because he Refuses to make any Effort at Learning them.

Including the small Effort of Playing 20-30 Battles in Subs to get an Idea how Submarines Work and what other People do to Counter them.

 

This in General isnt a Problem either. We got more than enough Potato Players.

It only becomes a Problem when he then Tries to Pretend that he actually knows what he is Talking about and Spreads False Information on the Issue due to Talking about something he never made any effort to Learn.

 

 

26 minutes ago, Panzer_Guido said:

-slow, mid tier ships don't count as they are slow bathtubs that cant dodge homing torps (playing them is being stupid anyway?)

 

Whats with that Cheap Attempt to Twist Words ??? :)

You Think You are some sort of Ace Attorney or Something ? xD

If You Do. Sorry to Tell You. But You Suck at it. ^^

 

And Nope.

I never Said that.

 

I said 2 Things.

1.

Its not really Harder to Evade Homing Torps in these Bathtubes. Because while they are Slower. They are also Shorter and Turn Tighter.

So if they are Played and Positioned Properly according to their Role. (Which is NOT Fast Pushing into the Enemy lol)  they are more than Capable of Evading Homing Torps.

The only Time they become Horrible at Evading Homing Torps is when they attempt to Push a Submarine. Because they are Slow and Fat. Meaning they are Good Torpedo Targets from the Front. That goes for any Ship with Torps by the way.

2.

It is very Telling how Brittle and Weak Your Argument is. When You are Forced to be Exceedingly Specific on the Conditions and Ships used in the Comparisson.

So when Smeg all the Time effectively Talks about these Slow Bathtub BBs that are out front and get Killed by Subs. And based on that Claims that Subs are OP and BBs cannot deal with Subs. Thus Homing Torps need to be Removed.

Its basicly the same claiming that Gearing is the Best Gun DD in the Game and is Totally OP in a Gunfight and Gearing should be Nerfed.

But then in Comparisson always insisting on only putting it up against Z52 and Shimakaze in Gunfights  :) 

 

But well.

Given how Weak and NonExistent Your Arguments on this are. It is at least Understandable why You are Trying so Hard to move the Discussion away from the Actual Topic and onto some Ridiculous Statements like this.

 

26 minutes ago, Panzer_Guido said:

-subs being a problem is being sick and having halloucinations

 

You guys having Hallucinations doesnt necessarily mean You are Sick.

You might also just be Drunk.

Likewise You Talking Nonsense about Subs isnt related to that Specifically. You could also Talk Nonsense about other Stuff due to that.

So not sure where You are trying to make the Connection there.

 

Maybe get some Water ??

Its usually the first measure when You are not Feeling well.

 

26 minutes ago, Panzer_Guido said:

-you really like triple & quadruple question marks! This is to drive home how stupid people are 

 

The Number of Question Marks on my Statements are a Direct Measure of how much Nonsense the Person I quote has just Spouted.  :)

The more Ridiculous and Nonsensical the Person I quote is. The more Questionmarks will Appear when I Voice my Disbelief about what that Person just Said ;)

 

26 minutes ago, Panzer_Guido said:

 

You really have this figured out. Very good :D (your name wouldn't be Sunleader if you werent a forward thinking, stable genius, doh)

 

I dont think my Name has anything to do with it Really. Albeit You guys making Weird Connections and Nonsensical Correlations should not Surprise me at this Point.

If someone thinks Subs are OP because they can Kill the Slowest BBs in the Game if these Slowest BBs are in the Worst Possible Position for Slow BBs then that Person would likely also think that someone is a Genius because his Name is Sunleader.

 

Subs aint OP tough and I am not a Genius.

Frankly. If I was considered a Genius just because I see how Insanely Flawed and Weak Your Arguments are. I would be quite Scared for the Future of Humanity.

 

[JohnMac79]

Sub sails straight through the cap into our spawn, gets me killed with spotting and torp spam, our Gearing chases after him to try to kill him, he pops up and shotguns him to death at almost point blank range.

 

What a great design.

[Sunleader]

9 minutes ago, JohnMac79 said:

Sub sails straight through the cap into our spawn, gets me killed with spotting and torp spam, our Gearing chases after him to try to kill him, he pops up and shotguns him to death at almost point blank range.

 

What a great design.

 

And ?

 

Just a few Matches ago I had a Daring Drive Straight through the Middle and Wreck Havoc on my Entire Team including me after our Yueyang got Roflstomped by him.

Heck last Week a Smaland on my Team lost a Gunfight to a Shimakaze doing not even 30% Damage to it.... Leaving that Shima Free to Dominate our Flank....

I am also Regularily Running Across Submarines getting Spotted and being Killed without doing anything as everyone Spammed Airstrike on it the moment they Saw it.

 

 

This is called Anecdotes Mate.

Unless You Post a Replay Nobody can draw any Proper Conclusions from this because Nobody knows the actual Situation and Gameplay that Occured.

 

Smaland Losing a Gunfight to a Shima is not because the Game Design is Bad or Shima is an OP Gunboat. Its because the Smaland Player Played Badly.

The Daring Wrecking our Team after Driving Straight through the Middle was not because he was such a Great Player but because our Team Screwed Up and Left the Middle wide Open.

And a Submarine being Spotted by a Stealth Radar Cruiser or Torpedo DD or even just because the Map is a Daily Occurence. It happens very easily if a Sub tries to Rush Forward Early and thus gets caught in a Bad Spot.

 

 

Likewise let me guess.

Your Team didnt properly Cover that Capture Point and the Gearing effectively Rushed Forward into that Sub while others in the Team either didnt bother to or were out of range to Drop Depth Charge Airstrikes on it.

 

 

[SmegTheNoob]

59 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

1. Oh not at All.

This is a Game. And You can Play it however You want. Thats not my Business.

 

 

2. Its the same as People that never Play Submarines and despite not even even knowing how Submarines Work constantly claiming stuff about how Submarines Work which of course ends up being completely wrong. 

This kind of Hypocrisy is just bound to be called out by anyone immediately.

 

 

3. Nope. The Reason that Smeg isnt a Good Player is 99% because he Refuses to make an Effort to Learn.

This in turn is also the Reason that he cant even do Simple Maneuvers like this.

Needless to Say that he has no Idea how most of the Games Mechanics Work because he Refuses to make any Effort at Learning them.

Including the small Effort of Playing 20-30 Battles in Subs to get an Idea how Submarines Work and what other People do to Counter them.

 

This in General isnt a Problem either. We got more than enough Potato Players.

It only becomes a Problem when he then Tries to Pretend that he actually knows what he is Talking about and Spreads False Information on the Issue due to Talking about something he never made any effort to Learn.

 

 

1. Exactly. It is none of your business how anybody else plays the game. You should NOT be calling players out and slagging them off because of their stats etc.

 

2. You absolutely DO NOT NEED TO PLAY Submarines to know how to play against them.

I have stated before, that I have NO INTENTION of ever playing any Submarine in this game.

If I want to play a far better Submarine game, I will go play U-Boat or any of the Silent Hunter games.

 

3. You say, I am a bad player, yet my Random Battles win rate is over 51%. My COOP win rate is 100%, not many players can boast that fact, including you.

I admit that my random battles win rate has been falling recently. But the win rate is STILL far better than the majority of sub 50% players.

I also admit that my ranked battles win rate is not that good. But that has a lot to do with the nature of ranked battles, and what ships I play.

In the current Bronze League playing tier 6 ships, I have managed to claw my way up to rank 5. Which is higher than I normally get.

Then you state that I have no idea how most of the game mechanics work. But you are forgetting that I have been playing this game on 2 accounts since the Closed Alpha, so I am more than qualified to know the mechanics.

Oh and see point 2. I do NOT need to play Subs to know how to play against them.

 

This is supposed to be a Submarines Related Discussion.

It is not for personal attacks, and calling players out and stating they know nothing.

You should really stick to the topic instead of slagging off every player that you don't agree with.

[Sunleader]

1 hour ago, SmegTheNoob said:

1. Exactly. It is none of your business how anybody else plays the game. You should NOT be calling players out and slagging them off because of their stats etc.

 

Pls do not Manipulate Quotes from other People by Editing Parts out without showing clearly that You did so.

It Changes the meaning of the Statement in the Quote and therefore makes anything You say to Answer it completely Irrelevant.

 

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2. You absolutely DO NOT NEED TO PLAY Submarines to know how to play against them.

I have stated before, that I have NO INTENTION of ever playing any Submarine in this game.

If I want to play a far better Submarine game, I will go play U-Boat or any of the Silent Hunter games.

 

There is a Reason why in a Court if a Surgeon is Accused of Malpractice. Other Surgeons are bought in for Expertise Mate.

If You never Play Submarines and thus Never Learn how they Work. Then You will also never Learn how to Counter them because You know neither their Strengths nor their Weaknesses.

 

 

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3. You say, I am a bad player, yet my Random Battles win rate is over 51%. My COOP win rate is 100%, not many players can boast that fact, including you.

I admit that my random battles win rate has been falling recently. But the win rate is STILL far better than the majority of sub 50% players.

I also admit that my ranked battles win rate is not that good. But that has a lot to do with the nature of ranked battles, and what ships I play.

In the current Bronze League playing tier 6 ships, I have managed to claw my way up to rank 5. Which is higher than I normally get.

Then you state that I have no idea how most of the game mechanics work. But you are forgetting that I have been playing this game on 2 accounts since the Closed Alpha, so I am more than qualified to know the mechanics.

Oh and see point 2. I do NOT need to play Subs to know how to play against them.

 

Uhm Mate.

 

Sunleader:

Random Battles: 6812 with 58.1% Winrate.

Out of these: 3934 are Solo with 55.54% Winrate. (You only Play Solo so it would be Unfair to Compare my Overall Stats which Include Playing in Division)

Ranked Battles: 457 Battles with 59.52% Winrate.

Coop Battles: 4589 Battles with 98.91% Winrate.

 

As per Your Permission to Compare Statistics.

SmegTheNoob:

Random Battles: 666 with 51.35% Winrate. (All Solo)

Ranked Battles: 244 with 45.49% Winrate. 

Coop Battles: 313 with 100% Winrate.

 

 

Not to Offend You.

But I really dont think You are Winning this Comparisson Mate.

Its nice You dont have any Lost Coop Battles. But that just means that so far you were Lucky to never have had Teams that managed to all Suicide without doing anything.

This does happen very very Rarely Gladly. But dont worry. If You Play another 4000 Battles you will Sooner or Later find such a Battle as well ;)

 

 

 

Back to the actual Topic. 

Thing is Mate.

You Claim that You cannot Play against Submarines Properly in BBs.

Yet others Play against Submarines Properly in BBs. Even in the Slow Bathtubs.

So for a Fact. Contrary to what You Claim. It is apparently Possible to Counter Submarines when Playing these BBs.

Which in Conclusion means That very Obviosly You dont know how to Play against Submarines :)

(Which is really out of Question at this Point. You really made that very Obvious with your Earlier Claims and Statements....)

 

 

 

 

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This is supposed to be a Submarines Related Discussion.

It is not for personal attacks, and calling players out and stating they know nothing.

You should really stick to the topic instead of slagging off every player that you don't agree with.

 

I got no Interest in Personally Attacking You Mate. And I would absolutely Love to Strictly stick to the Topic.

But there is the Problem. You dont actually know anything about the Topic because You never Play Submarines.

The Stuff You say on Topic is so Outrageously and Obviously Wrong that its frankly Insulting to anyone who Plays Submarines to even Read it.

Yet You Refuse to Stop and just keep Spreading Completely False Information.

 

So I have 2 Choices.

I can Attribute this to Malice on Your Part. Thus Assuming that You actually Know how Submarines Work but are Lying on Purpose to further your Anti Submarine Agenda.

Or I can Attribute it to Incompetence. Thus Assuming that due to not Playing Submarines You simply Misunderstand how things work.

 

And in Both Cases I will attempt to Explain to You that You are wrong a Few Times. And if You Hardheadely Refuse to Stop Spreading False Information. I will Start calling You out on the Fact that You are Spreading False Information due to either Incompetence or Malice.

Mind You. I was tought to never Attribute to Malice what can be Explained with Incompetence. So I do Generally just Assume that You are not Lying to me on Purpose. Hence why I dont constantly Accuse of Lying.

[SmegTheNoob]

5 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

Pls do not Manipulate Quotes from other People by Editing Parts out without showing clearly that You did so.

It Changes the meaning of the Statement in the Quote and therefore makes anything You say to Answer it completely Irrelevant.

 

 

There is a Reason why in a Court if a Surgeon is Accused of Malpractice. Other Surgeons are bought in for Expertise Mate.

If You never Play Submarines and thus Never Learn how they Work. Then You will also never Learn how to Counter them because You know neither their Strengths nor their Weaknesses.

 

 

 

Uhm Mate.

 

Sunleader:

Random Battles: 6812 with 58.1% Winrate.

Out of these: 3934 are Solo with 55.54% Winrate. (You only Play Solo so it would be Unfair to Compare my Overall Stats which Include Playing in Division)

Ranked Battles: 457 Battles with 59.52% Winrate.

Coop Battles: 4589 Battles with 98.91% Winrate.

 

As per Your Permission to Compare Statistics.

SmegTheNoob:

Random Battles: 666 with 51.35% Winrate. (All Solo)

Ranked Battles: 244 with 45.49% Winrate. 

Coop Battles: 313 with 100% Winrate.

 

 

Not to Offend You.

But I really dont think You are Winning this Comparisson Mate.

Its nice You dont have any Lost Coop Battles. But that just means that so far you were Lucky to never have had Teams that managed to all Suicide without doing anything.

This does happen very very Rarely Gladly. But dont worry. If You Play another 4000 Battles you will Sooner or Later find such a Battle as well ;)

 

 

 

Back to the actual Topic. 

Thing is Mate.

You Claim that You cannot Play against Submarines Properly in BBs.

Yet others Play against Submarines Properly in BBs. Even in the Slow Bathtubs.

So for a Fact. Contrary to what You Claim. It is apparently Possible to Counter Submarines when Playing these BBs.

Which in Conclusion means That very Obviosly You dont know how to Play against Submarines :)

(Which is really out of Question at this Point. You really made that very Obvious with your Earlier Claims and Statements....)

 

 

 

 

 

I got no Interest in Personally Attacking You Mate. And I would absolutely Love to Strictly stick to the Topic.

But there is the Problem. You dont actually know anything about the Topic because You never Play Submarines.

The Stuff You say on Topic is so Outrageously and Obviously Wrong that its frankly Insulting to anyone who Plays Submarines to even Read it.

Yet You Refuse to Stop and just keep Spreading Completely False Information.

 

So I have 2 Choices.

I can Attribute this to Malice on Your Part. Thus Assuming that You actually Know how Submarines Work but are Lying on Purpose to further your Anti Submarine Agenda.

Or I can Attribute it to Incompetence. Thus Assuming that due to not Playing Submarines You simply Misunderstand how things work.

 

And in Both Cases I will attempt to Explain to You that You are wrong a Few Times. And if You Hardheadely Refuse to Stop Spreading False Information. I will Start calling You out on the Fact that You are Spreading False Information due to either Incompetence or Malice.

Mind You. I was tought to never Attribute to Malice what can be Explained with Incompetence. So I do Generally just Assume that You are not Lying to me on Purpose. Hence why I dont constantly Accuse of Lying.

You really do have an over-inflated ego pal.

I wonder how you get your big fat head through a doorway.

 

Oh and, I was not even comparing your stats to mine.

I don't give one fig about your stats.

Oh, and yet again you are on the forum STAT SHAMING.

 

So, go do one will you.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Imagine bragging about 100% WR in coop as if that gamemode ever mattered.

[SmegTheNoob]

6 minutes ago, Zuihou_Kai_Ni said:

Imagine bragging about 100% WR in coop as if that gamemode ever mattered.

For your info, I wasn't bragging. But seeing as you mention it.

I see even you don't have a 100% Coop record.

 

But I tell you what I have learnt over the last 8 years or so of playing this game.

That is the fact that 95% of the better players have really arrogant attitudes to the rest of the player base.

It seems to me that the better the player gets, the more arrogant they become.

 

I really wish people like you would just stop and think before typing all the rhetoric.

[Panzer_Guido]

Sunleader is funny. You can practically see the spittle flying at the screen. 

 

Edit: comparing expertise in an online arcade game to malpractice of surgeons trying to make an "argument"

 

just lol

 

Edit2: just lol, mate. working on my condescending attitude :D

[Sunleader]

54 minutes ago, SmegTheNoob said:

You really do have an over-inflated ego pal.

I wonder how you get your big fat head through a doorway.

 

Arrogance and Pride, Iron Will and Stubborness, Nerd and Expert.

The only Difference on these Pairs is wether the Person Saying them about someone else, Is wether or not Person Views likes or dislikes what someone else does.

 

And Yes. I am Exceedingly Arrogant/Prideful.

 

Dont worry tough.

Just like your Misunderstanding on Submarines. This thing with the Head getting Bigger if You got a Big Ego is just a Rumor of less Educated People.

My Head despite my Ego has a Perfectly Normal Size ;)

 

54 minutes ago, SmegTheNoob said:

Oh and, I was not even comparing your stats to mine.

 

You Said: ""My COOP win rate is 100%, not many players can boast that fact, including you.""

I took that as You Comparing.

Of Course its Possible that this was just a little Spiteful Personal Attack Claiming that You are a Better Player than me.

But I considered that Possibility to Fairly Low.

As I said. I Generally dont try to Attribute Actions to Malice if there is other Options.

 

54 minutes ago, SmegTheNoob said:

I don't give one fig about your stats.

 

And Yet You Bothered Looking up my Stats before Flaunting Yours and Point Out that You have a Better Coop Winrate :)

I wonder why People always Claim not to Care about something that they themselves just bothered looking up and mentioning......

 

54 minutes ago, SmegTheNoob said:

Oh, and yet again you are on the forum STAT SHAMING.

 

Not Really. You Mentioned Your Statistics. Including the Reference to my Stats by Pointing Out that You have a Higher Coop Winrate than me.

I merely Answered to that.

The Forum Rules Allow such Answers because otherwise it would not be Properly Possible to Discuss it when other People use their Statistics in a Discussion.

 

 

54 minutes ago, SmegTheNoob said:

So, go do one will you.

 

I just did One. A Big one at that.

I was on the Seat for over 20 Minutes.

Felt Good. Not sure what me using the Toilet has to do with anything here tough.

[SmegTheNoob]

11 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

Arrogance and Pride, Iron Will and Stubborness, Nerd and Expert.

The only Difference on these Pairs is wether the Person Saying them about someone else, Is wether or not Person Views likes or dislikes what someone else does.

 

And Yes. I am Exceedingly Arrogant/Prideful.

 

Dont worry tough.

Just like your Misunderstanding on Submarines. This thing with the Head getting Bigger if You got a Big Ego is just a Rumor of less Educated People.

My Head despite my Ego has a Perfectly Normal Size ;)

 

 

You Said: ""My COOP win rate is 100%, not many players can boast that fact, including you.""

I took that as You Comparing.

Of Course its Possible that this was just a little Spiteful Personal Attack Claiming that You are a Better Player than me.

But I considered that Possibility to Fairly Low.

As I said. I Generally dont try to Attribute Actions to Malice if there is other Options.

 

 

And Yet You Bothered Looking up my Stats before Flaunting Yours and Point Out that You have a Better Coop Winrate :)

I wonder why People always Claim not to Care about something that they themselves just bothered looking up and mentioning......

 

 

Not Really. You Mentioned Your Statistics. Including the Reference to my Stats by Pointing Out that You have a Higher Coop Winrate than me.

I merely Answered to that.

The Forum Rules Allow such Answers because otherwise it would not be Properly Possible to Discuss it when other People use their Statistics in a Discussion.

 

 

 

I just did One. A Big one at that.

I was on the Seat for over 20 Minutes.

Felt Good. Not sure what me using the Toilet has to do with anything here tough.

SmegTheNoob: Whenever I look at you now, I won't see a powerful WOWS player. I will see a six year old boy who is powerless to protect himself.
Sunleader: Be quiet.
SmegTheNoob: In spite of all you've done to me, I find you a pitiable man.
Sunleader: SmegTheNoob, stop it, or I will turn this on and leave you here in agony all night.
SmegTheNoob: Ah! You called me SmegTheNoob.

 

SmegTheNoob: THERE ARE 4 LIGHTS.

[The_Target]

@YabbaCoe Old player returning to give the game a try who left after your guys decided to push ahead with adding submarines when everyone I spoke to didn't want them.

 

What exactly is the offical WG response on how to counter a submarine?

 

All of the matches I have played the sub fall into one or two catergories.

 

1. They over extend push into a cap getting spotted by the other sub and they fight until either one of them dies. Then the remaining sub has free pass to kill anything it wants to.

 

2. They don't push into the cap & don't get spotted then sit outside of deapth charge range and basically force all the ships to the back of the map.

 

Almost every game I have played now with subs in if they don't want to get spotted they stay outside of the depth charge airstrike range with absolutely no counter at all. How is that fun? I watched a get kill 4 teamates and nothing could touch him. A DD tried got out spotted then died to the surface ships. Next up was a cruiser who got close then he was shotguned at close range. Now it was me and another BB again he is sitting outside of airstrike range the pings that come in aren't even close to being in range never mind the fact that if you are zoomed in on something you miss it.

 

What is the counter play? The only one I have found so far is to run and hide behind an island.

 

You guys then wonder why most of the games are over in 5-10 mins, you have created such an unbalanced game in the last 2 years. Do any of the Dev's actually play the game?

[JohnMac79]

6 hours ago, Sunleader said:

<snip>

 

I know how to play the game, so please spare me the 'lesson'...

[Sunleader]

2 hours ago, JohnMac79 said:

 

I know how to play the game, so please spare me the 'lesson'...

 

So You are trying to Mislead others with these Random Vague Anecdotes on Purpose ?

Noted.

 

 

4 hours ago, The_Target said:

@YabbaCoe Old player returning to give the game a try who left after your guys decided to push ahead with adding submarines when everyone I spoke to didn't want them.

 

What exactly is the offical WG response on how to counter a submarine?

 

All of the matches I have played the sub fall into one or two catergories.

 

1. They over extend push into a cap getting spotted by the other sub and they fight until either one of them dies. Then the remaining sub has free pass to kill anything it wants to.

 

2. They don't push into the cap & don't get spotted then sit outside of deapth charge range and basically force all the ships to the back of the map.

 

Almost every game I have played now with subs in if they don't want to get spotted they stay outside of the depth charge airstrike range with absolutely no counter at all. How is that fun? I watched a get kill 4 teamates and nothing could touch him. A DD tried got out spotted then died to the surface ships. Next up was a cruiser who got close then he was shotguned at close range. Now it was me and another BB again he is sitting outside of airstrike range the pings that come in aren't even close to being in range never mind the fact that if you are zoomed in on something you miss it.

 

What is the counter play? The only one I have found so far is to run and hide behind an island.

 

You guys then wonder why most of the games are over in 5-10 mins, you have created such an unbalanced game in the last 2 years. Do any of the Dev's actually play the game?

 

I dont think WG is the Right Place to Ask for this.

WG Generally isnt one for making Good Guides.

But You can Find quite alot Guides on how to Deal with Subs on YouTube.

 

 

 

 

[Panzer_Guido]

16 hours ago, The_Target said:

@YabbaCoe Old player returning to give the game a try who left after your guys decided to push ahead with adding submarines when everyone I spoke to didn't want them.

 

What exactly is the offical WG response on how to counter a submarine?

 

All of the matches I have played the sub fall into one or two catergories.

 

1. They over extend push into a cap getting spotted by the other sub and they fight until either one of them dies. Then the remaining sub has free pass to kill anything it wants to.

 

2. They don't push into the cap & don't get spotted then sit outside of deapth charge range and basically force all the ships to the back of the map.

 

Almost every game I have played now with subs in if they don't want to get spotted they stay outside of the depth charge airstrike range with absolutely no counter at all. How is that fun? I watched a get kill 4 teamates and nothing could touch him. A DD tried got out spotted then died to the surface ships. Next up was a cruiser who got close then he was shotguned at close range. Now it was me and another BB again he is sitting outside of airstrike range the pings that come in aren't even close to being in range never mind the fact that if you are zoomed in on something you miss it.

 

What is the counter play? The only one I have found so far is to run and hide behind an island.

 

You guys then wonder why most of the games are over in 5-10 mins, you have created such an unbalanced game in the last 2 years. Do any of the Dev's actually play the game?

 

Your experience won't change much. There is no counterplay if you get a sub players that knows what he is doing really. Your best guess is try to stay alive until they [edited]up, or die eventually.

 

also Sunleader is at his "you are misleading" tactic again. Gets a bit old already. 

[Tanaka_15]

11 hours ago, Sunleader said:

But You can Find quite alot Guides on how to Deal with Subs on YouTube.

Some of them are wrong other are stupid choose your poison

[Yosha_AtaIante]

1 hour ago, Tanaka_15 said:

Some of them are wrong other are stupid choose your poison

if every of those is either wrong or stupid to you then the problem aren't the guides 

[Tanaka_15]

3 minutes ago, Zuihou_Kai_Ni said:

if every of those is either wrong or stupid to you then the problem aren't the guides 

yup the problem is interaction designe by wg but we had it for years with cvs also. 

[Adm_Andre]

 

Zitat

 

The conditions for obtaining the emblems are to reach a certain average damage per battle value on submarines over the last 100 battles.

 

Emblem	Submarine Tier	Average Damage
Submarine Commander III	VIII, X	23,000
Submarine Commander II	VIII, X	26,000
Submarine Commander I	VIII, X	40,000
Submarine Commander. Elite	X	60,000

 

 

or in other words, their influnce in the damage race:

 

_______Emblem______	Tier	Average Damage Submarine	Average Damage DD	Average Damage CA/CL	Average Damage BB	Average Damage CV
Commander III	8...10	23	33	47	64	60
Commander II	8...10	26	40	55	72	71
Commander I	8...10	40	55	83	97	84
Commander Elite	10	60	64	95	108	113

 

 

[Cuddly_Spider]

On 2/5/2023 at 9:48 PM, The_Target said:

@YabbaCoe Old player returning to give the game a try who left after your guys decided to push ahead with adding submarines when everyone I spoke to didn't want them.

 

 

And I'm an old player who returned to the game after years away because I find the subs to be so amazingly fun.

 

Swings and roundabouts.

[Sunleader]

On 2/6/2023 at 2:13 PM, Tanaka_15 said:

Some of them are wrong other are stupid choose your poison

 

So You are back to the usual Tinfoil Head Approach.

 

Effectively Your Opinion is Right and everything Contradicting it is a Conspiracy Theory. Any Evidence and Arguments against your Opinion is either due to People being Fooled by the Conspiracy Theory or being part of the Conspirators. Kappa

 

 

 

And You guys wonder why WG doesnt give a Crab about your Opinion lol.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

15 hours ago, Cuddly_Spider said:

 

And I'm an old player who returned to the game after years away because I find the subs to be so amazingly fun.

 

Swings and roundabouts.

You aren't supposed to say this. You are going to burst their bubble.

[TheNubination]

What ever debates have raged in these 195 pages, feels hurt, "facts" shattered, achktuallys pulled, one thing remains true when you play a sub.

 

 

It doesnt mean they are / aren't unbalanced or OP or anything else.  It just means you gotta take a shower. 
 
 

[Lieut_Gruber]

On 2/11/2023 at 10:10 AM, Cuddly_Spider said:

 

And I'm an old player who returned to the game after years away because I find the subs to be so amazingly fun.

 

Swings and roundabouts.

And it gets better: i am an old player who left because of subs. Started playing again, decided to try the sub after i got owned by one, so i can learn how to counter them. At first i was realy bad at them, now i start to like them.