General Submarines related discussions

[Pedro_McCloud]

On 1/16/2023 at 1:02 PM, SmegTheNoob said:

That is the reason.

I am not interested in your win rate or any other stat.

But I would have liked to see what ships you play the most.

 

But as you have just told me you do play Subs, that is all the info I need.

Pommern. I dont play subs often, but i dont not dislike them.

[Cuddly_Spider]

On 1/16/2023 at 6:33 AM, Schelfie said:

I just found out that the T5 Japanese cruiser Yahagi doesn't have ASW on it. How the hell am I supposed to fight them, WG? Using my force of will? Trowing bricks at it?

 

In the end i just rammed it, but goddamn, i was about to smash through the PC screen...

 

So you beat the sub even though you don't have any ASW on the ship you were using?

 

Proof, as if any were needed, that the class is severely fragile. They need either their resilience or the stealth buffed a bit.

On 1/16/2023 at 6:33 AM, Schelfie said:

If those  subs stays in the game, make sure we can fight it, goddamned...

 

You can fight it.

[Schelfie]

6 minutes ago, Cuddly_Spider said:

 

So you beat the sub even though you don't have any ASW on the ship you were using?

 

Proof, as if any were needed, that the class is severely fragile. They need either their resilience or the stealth buffed a bit.

 

You can fight it.

By loosing 3/4th of my HP by ramming it, yes.

 

So fragile it teared my ship almost in half.

 

[Panzer_Guido]

5 hours ago, Schelfie said:

By loosing 3/4th of my HP by ramming it, yes.

 

So fragile it teared my ship almost in half.

 

you have to give up. they will defend it no matter what. It is the way for them to suddenly have 10% more winrate. It must be skill, obviously.

[Cuddly_Spider]

6 hours ago, Panzer_Guido said:

you have to give up. they will defend it no matter what. It is the way for them to suddenly have 10% more winrate. It must be skill, obviously.

 

There are subs on both teams.

 

It is a mathematical impossibility to unbalance winrates whilst doing this.

[Tanaka_15]

2 hours ago, Cuddly_Spider said:

 

There are subs on both teams.

 

It is a mathematical impossibility to unbalance winrates whilst doing this.

like for a CV?

[Cuddly_Spider]

27 minutes ago, Tanaka_15 said:

like for a CV?

 

For *a* CV, no. Similarly, for *a* submarine, no. Overall vehicle winrate can be used to gauge their balance vs other vehicles of the same class.

 

For CVs or for Submarines, as a class, winrate doesn't work at all - for each sub that wins, another must also lose.

[Tanaka_15]

28 minutes ago, Cuddly_Spider said:

For CVs or for Submarines, as a class, winrate doesn't work at all - for each sub that wins, another must also lose.

:) Yeah so all cvs and subs are 50% ? oh no oh wait, this is not working like that. now firgure out why. 

[Cuddly_Spider]

3 hours ago, Tanaka_15 said:

:) Yeah so all cvs and subs are 50% ? oh no oh wait, this is not working like that. now firgure out why. 

 

No. That's not what I said.

 

If you combined all of the subs or all of the CVs and worked it out by class it would come to around 48%-49%.

[Viridem]

I found one in the wild. He told me he joined the game to play them.

It's over, frens. We had CV mains, now we have submarine mains. :(

[Viridem]

On 1/16/2023 at 6:33 AM, Schelfie said:

I just found out that the T5 Japanese cruiser Yahagi doesn't have ASW on it. How the hell am I supposed to fight them, WG? Using my force of will? Trowing bricks at it?

 

In the end i just rammed it, but goddamn, i was about to smash through the PC screen...

 

 

If those  subs stays in the game, make sure we can fight it, goddamned...

But you do have ASW. It's the depth charges. Press G, or whatever it is on your keyboard.

You didn't have to ram the ship....

 

Plane ASW at this tier is so bad, regular depth charges might actually be better.

[OldschoolGaming_YouTube]

Can someone explain this to me? Do Subs has some BS hidden XP multipliers or what? Had many other pics from other sub games that I think I posted in this thread before with same strange results where I gotten first in the team with 15 K damage I think.

 

 

I didn't go anywhere near a cap, didn't reset anyone, didn't do crap all for my team just spammed a ton of pings and gotten 114 K damage on a Yamato which is worst target pretty much to do damage on, and still got nr1 even tho other probably did way more damage, got more kills and even some caps. So what is up with this?!

 

 

 

 

[SmegTheNoob]

18 hours ago, Viridem said:

But you do have ASW. It's the depth charges. Press G, or whatever it is on your keyboard.

You didn't have to ram the ship....

 

Plane ASW at this tier is so bad, regular depth charges might actually be better.

The trouble with ship dropped depth charges, is the fact that to use them, you have to chase the Sub down and get on top of it.

80% of the time this puts your ship right in the firing line of all the nearby enemy ships.

That is why a lot of the time, it is pointless trying to even bother dropping ship launched depth charges.

 

This is just yet another reason why Submarines are such an utter garbage addition to the game.

[Panzer_Guido]

1 hour ago, OldschoolGaming_YouTube said:

Can someone explain this to me? Do Subs has some BS hidden XP multipliers or what?

yes, actually they do. The whole class gets enormous XP for much less effort & risk than other ship classes.

 

Edit: Why you ask? Preferred classes 101 I guess :D Someone gotta buy those premium subs. 

[SuperDare83]

I hate submarines and seriously considering stopping playing the game as they're so anti-fun, even worse than cv's in my opinion. Very little counterplay as a surface ship and incredibly frustrating to deal with

[SmegTheNoob]

2 minutes ago, SuperDare83 said:

I hate submarines and seriously considering stopping playing the game as they're so anti-fun, even worse than cv's in my opinion. Very little counterplay as a surface ship and incredibly frustrating to deal with

Join the club mate.

 

They are utter trash.

[SmegTheNoob]

NO POINT PLAYING WHEN YOU GET BULLS__T TEAMS LIKE THIS.

 

2 CV'S AND 2 SUBS ON EACH TEAM.

 

I DIDN'T LAST MORE THAN 3 MINUTES.

GOT SINGLED OUT IN MY SLOW ARS_D BB BY BOTH CV'S.

PLUS TORPED BY THE POXY SUB.

 

WARGAMING YOU CAN SHOW RANDOM BATTLES WHERE THE F___ING SUN DON'T SHINE.

[Juuzaam]

Vor 1 Minute, SmegTheNoob sagte:

So much fun to play Piñata.

[SmegTheNoob]

1 minute ago, Juuzaam said:

So much fun to play Piñata.

There should be a maximum of 1 CV and 1 Sub per team.

2 CV's and 2 Subs is just bullsh__.

I swear, that the next time this happens, I will just either yolo or go afk.

I do not give a monkeys to__ what penalty Wargaming want to give me.

I am long past caring.

 

Oh an we lost that game BTW.

I came bottom on my team through no fault of my own.

Only fired my guns twice and did 11227 damage.

Oh and both tier 8 Subs came in the top 3 of the teams with the enemy Hornet coming in the top 3 too.

Random battles in this game have turned into a complete utter joke.

[WingedHussar_Adler]

6 hours ago, SmegTheNoob said:

There should be a maximum of 1 CV and 1 Sub per team.

2 CV's and 2 Subs is just bullsh__.

I swear, that the next time this happens, I will just either yolo or go afk.

I do not give a monkeys to__ what penalty Wargaming want to give me.

I am long past caring.

 

Oh an we lost that game BTW.

I came bottom on my team through no fault of my own.

Only fired my guns twice and did 11227 damage.

Oh and both tier 8 Subs came in the top 3 of the teams with the enemy Hornet coming in the top 3 too.

Random battles in this game have turned into a complete utter joke.

Clearly outplayed by better players. 

[SmegTheNoob]

6 hours ago, WingedHussar_Adler said:

Clearly outplayed by better players. 

That is a croc of crap.

I am sure you would have done the same, had you been in the same ship as me.

There is not much you can do, when you are in a slow BB and you get focused by both CV's.

One of which was the Russian one that throws 5 torps at you at once. Or is it 6?

Oh and the other CV was tier 8, and I was in a slow tier 6 BB.

 

Oh and why do you come on here just to belittle other players?

It is supposed to be a discussion about Submarines.

[plain_average]

Lets just say I am not impressed with subs.

They meet ships that effectively have 0 defence against them.

 

Its the same issue with putting tier 3 ships against CV's - simply not fair and borders on seal clubbing.

 

So please lets just give _ALL_ ships a sonar that can detect subs within X kilometers - or if that is unreasonable - never make subs top tier in a game against ships with effectively no defence, i.e. a BB without detection etc. 

 

Imagine having stealth planes that could not be detected and could lock on with homing missiles and you could only use your single "repair" skill to prevent the lock on?

 

Same with CV's - they should only meet tier 6+

[Cuddly_Spider]

On 1/22/2023 at 5:07 PM, SmegTheNoob said:

Oh an we lost that game BTW.

I came bottom on my team through no fault of my own.

 

 

If I had a kronur for every time I've been bottom of the team I'd be able to afford a real boat.

 

It happens. It doesn't necessarily mean the game is broken.

[SmegTheNoob]

51 minutes ago, Cuddly_Spider said:

 

If I had a kronur for every time I've been bottom of the team I'd be able to afford a real boat.

 

It happens. It doesn't necessarily mean the game is broken.

The game is broken because they allow the matchmaker to put 2 CV's and 2 Submarines on each team.

The 2 most hated class of ships in the game, and yet they allow 2 or each on each team.

In fact, I have seen some screenshots on here where there were 3 Subs and 2 CV's on the teams.

 

I was playing in a slow battleship. I got focused by both CV's and 1 of the Subs.

Because I was slow as hell, I could not avoid both CV's torps.

Then the Sub got me with at least 1 torp for good measure.

Result was that I died within less than 5 minutes of the starting.

Now that is not my idea of fun at all.

[WingedHussar_Adler]

1 hour ago, SmegTheNoob said:

The game is broken because they allow the matchmaker to put 2 CV's and 2 Submarines on each team.

The 2 most hated class of ships in the game, and yet they allow 2 or each on each team.

In fact, I have seen some screenshots on here where there were 3 Subs and 2 CV's on the teams.

 

I was playing in a slow battleship. I got focused by both CV's and 1 of the Subs.

Because I was slow as hell, I could not avoid both CV's torps.

Then the Sub got me with at least 1 torp for good measure.

Result was that I died within less than 5 minutes of the starting.

Now that is not my idea of fun at all.

2 cvs per metch is really really to much....jus a question...how the hell slow sub manage to catch you slow under 5 minutes?