General Submarines related discussions

[WingedHussar_Adler]

8 minutes ago, Tanaka_15 said:

When sub is in peryscope depth? And subs can easly kill dds. TBH subs are hard counter to dds. 

Lol mate when sub is on periscop depth it loses 90% spoting range. It looks like you do not know mehanics of subs at all. and any dd that dies from sub is plain noob cause guiding torps are so oeasy to dodge in dd and non guided are joke fro dd

[Tanaka_15]

15 minutes ago, WingedHussar_Adler said:

Lol mate when sub is on periscop depth it loses 90% spoting range. It looks like you do not know mehanics of subs at all. and any dd that dies from sub is plain noob cause guiding torps are so oeasy to dodge in dd and non guided are joke fro dd

Lol. And do this in cap with enemy dd, nad 5 ships shooting you :D You really have no clue mate. This is "just dodage" argument.

Again only good way of deling with subs in a dd is to run away but this creat passive long distance meta. 

[Cammo1962]

15 minutes ago, WingedHussar_Adler said:

Lol mate when sub is on periscop depth it loses 90% spoting range. It looks like you do not know mehanics of subs at all. and any dd that dies from sub is plain noob cause guiding torps are so oeasy to dodge in dd and non guided are joke fro dd

Well a sub then just use its Hydrofone and pick up any ship within 8 km and i have been Hydrofoned by subs i could not see.

[Cammo1962]

24 minutes ago, WingedHussar_Adler said:

Yes dds ar2 not sub hunters in this game. But on other heand sub can not touch dd and for instancu most dd outspot USA subs

Most at the same tier dont and handful above tier 8 dont outspot them so it is not quite true. And trust me I am DD and BB main so i know.

[WingedHussar_Adler]

6 minutes ago, Tanaka_15 said:

Lol. And do this in cap with enemy dd, nad 5 ships shooting you :D You really have no clue mate. This is "just dodage" argument.

Again only good way of deling with subs in a dd is to run away but this creat passive long distance meta. 

please explain how sub wil spot dd in cap?....please do that :) :) :)

[WingedHussar_Adler]

6 minutes ago, Cammo1962 said:

Well a sub then just use its Hydrofone and pick up any ship within 8 km and i have been Hydrofoned by subs i could not see.

hydrophone does not spot ship...come on mates...learn mechanics

[WingedHussar_Adler]

2 minutes ago, Cammo1962 said:

Most at the same tier dont and handful above tier 8 dont outspot them so it is not quite true. And trust me I am DD and BB main so i know.

USA on t 8 has 6.0 km detection..come on....most dd outspot that

[Cammo1962]

Just now, WingedHussar_Adler said:

hydrophone does not spot ship...come on mates...learn mechanics

Well have just been out in training room and yes the do and here is the proof.

[WingedHussar_Adler]

1 minute ago, Cammo1962 said:

Well have just been out in training room and yes the do and here is the proof.

no need to training room....hydrophone DOES NOT SPOT SHIPS....it only pings for you aproximate spot of ship..it does not show it for you (you can not aim at it, and it does not show it for others on map)

[Tanaka_15]

6 minutes ago, WingedHussar_Adler said:

please explain how sub wil spot dd in cap?....please do that :) :) :)

Shootguning? Just torping with homing torp? Spoting. Basicly in dd i have no tools to fight subs. But i quess you just dont want to udrustand. 

[WingedHussar_Adler]

Just now, Tanaka_15 said:

Shootguning? Just torping with homing torp? Spoting. Basicly in dd i have no tools to fight subs. But i quess you just dont want to udrustand. 

still wait of explanation how USA aub wil ooutspot most dds :) :).....come on mate..learn mechanics

[Tanaka_15]

it will dive. But whatever. Belive what you want at this point. 

[WingedHussar_Adler]

3 minutes ago, Tanaka_15 said:

it will dive. But whatever. Belive what you want at this point. 

you have no idea how spoting on periscop works..do you?

[Cammo1962]

17 minutes ago, WingedHussar_Adler said:

USA on t 8 has 6.0 km detection..come on....most dd outspot that

Well lets see concealtment full build: Akizuki 6,1 km, Kiev 7,1 km, Ognevoi 6,1 km, G.J.Maerker 6,3 km, Z-23 6,2 km, Z-35 6,2 km, Le Fantasque 6,4 km, Le Terrible 6,7 km, V. Cuniberti 6,6 km, Fenyang 6,1 km, Ship Smasha 6,1 km, and thats tier 8 and you can on with higher tier too.

[Cammo1962]

12 minutes ago, WingedHussar_Adler said:

no need to training room....hydrophone DOES NOT SPOT SHIPS....it only pings for you aproximate spot of ship..it does not show it for you (you can not aim at it, and it does not show it for others on map)

I could see the ships silhouette and thats enough.

[WingedHussar_Adler]

Just now, Cammo1962 said:

Well lets see concealtment full build: Akizuki 6,1 km, Kiev 7,1 km, Ognevoi 6,1 km, G.J.Maerker 6,3 km, Z-23 6,2 km, Z-35 6,2 km, Le Fantasque 6,4 km, Le Terrible 6,7 km, V. Cuniberti 6,6 km, Fenyang 6,1 km, Ship Smasha 6,1 km,and thats tier 8 and you can on with higher tier too.

lightning, kagero, benson, cosac, dsienyang, ostergotland.......come on....non gunboat dds outspot USA sub...others are not cap contesters

[WingedHussar_Adler]

7 minutes ago, Cammo1962 said:

I could see the ships silhouette and thats enough.

loloooollllll mate...looollllllllll...enough for what?????😅🤣😂

[Cammo1962]

Just now, WingedHussar_Adler said:

lightning, kagero, benson, cosac, dsienyang, ostergotland.......come on....non gunboat dds outspot USA sub...others are not cap contesters

You said yourself DDs and i just pointed out  which did not outspot the Salmon.

[WingedHussar_Adler]

1 minute ago, Cammo1962 said:

You said yourself DDs and i just pointed out  which did not outspot the Salmon.

Sure. Some dds do not outspot, some do....so statement that subs outspot dds is fault. 

 

Best cons on t8 is 5.5 and it is dd. Best sub cons on t8 is 5.6

[Cammo1962]

6 minutes ago, WingedHussar_Adler said:

Sure. Some dds do not outspot, some do....so statement that subs outspot dds is fault. 

 

Best cons on t8 is 5.5 and it is dd. Best sub cons on t8 is 5.6

1: No it is stil true but if you want to belive that in your fantasy world please do i dont care.

2: Wrong its 5,4 but if you insist that it is 5,5 please do and again i dont care.

3: That means that a sub with 5,6 still can outspot most DDs.

[WingedHussar_Adler]

2 minutes ago, Cammo1962 said:

1: No it is stil true but if you want to belive that in your fantasy world please do i dont care.

2: Wrong its 5,4 but if you insist that it is 5,5 please do and again i dont care.

It is sad that peoples argume with passion on thing they do not try and do not know full mechanics. 

 

Subs are not strong cap contester. Even KM due to small margin of con difference and low manevarubility is not strong cap contender. It can do it but at greater risk than most dds

[Cammo1962]

16 minutes ago, WingedHussar_Adler said:

It is sad that peoples argume with passion on thing they do not try and do not know full mechanics. 

 

Subs are not strong cap contester. Even KM due to small margin of con difference and low manevarubility is not strong cap contender. It can do it but at greater risk than most dds

1: I have never said that subs are a strong cap contester.

2 I just pointed out that out of the 29 DDs i have in my port there is 11 of them that a sub outspot and thats Tech Tree DDs and Prem-DDs tier 8.

[WingedHussar_Adler]

3 minutes ago, Cammo1962 said:

1: I have never said that subs are a strong cap contester.

2 I just pointed out that out of the 29 DDs i have in my port there is 11 of them that a sub outspot and thats Tech Tree DDs and Prem-DDs tier 8.

I agree. 

[SmegTheNoob]

4 hours ago, Cuddly_Spider said:

 

My winrate "magicaly" (SIC) rockets because the sub meta-game is more based around strategy - stealth, positioning, and reading the battlefield to be more effective as opposed to performing the instinctive trig of weighing speed, distance, and shell flight time when playing surface ships.

 

Incidentally, my arguments are based on the vehicles and how they play. Your rebuttals are *entirely*  based on my personal stats. If the devs do look at this thread then I hope they weigh the arguments accordingly.

 

 

I've explained the above about 4 or 5 times already. I eagerly await a response that is somehow related to my actual points.

OK Mr Cuddly.

You claim that there are effective counters to Submarines.

I want to challenge you on that statement with the following questions:

 

1. Have you tried to chase down a Submarine in a Destroyer to drop depth charges on it? What I am getting at is, have you managed to sink a Sub with a Destroyer, without ending up putting your destroyer into the firing line of other enemy ships.

 

2. Have you tried to chase down a Submarine in a Cruiser to drop depth charges on it and sink it? Same example as above. Can you chase down a Submarine in a Cruiser without getting shot at from other enemy ships?

 

3. How many Submarines have you managed to sink with air dropped depth charges from a Cruiser? Note that some air drops, drop only 1 bomb.

 

4. How many Submarines have you sunk with air dropped depth charges from a Battleship?

 

5. Have you even managed to damage a Submarine with Battleship air dropped depth charges?

 

6. How do you feel when you are playing a slow battleship with just a range of 6km on its air dropped depth charge strikes? How does it feel when a Submarines just sits at 7km from your battleship and constantly sonar pings you, and sends stupid homing torpedoes your way? How does it feel when you know that you cannot even respond to that Submarine because it is out of the range of your air strikes? How does it feel, knowing that even if you use your damage control to counter a Submarine, the Submarine can just sonar ping you again.

 

7. How do you feel about the proposed Soviet Submarines? Submarines, that if they enter the game in the current state, will be able to out run most Destroyers on the surface.

 

Those are enough questions to be going on with for now.

Good luck trying to come up with some sensible answers.

[Barbarussa]

I drop 15 deep underwater bombs from my ships but still the submarine does not die and then the submarine kills me. I think we should change the name of the game. immortal submarines. 2 submarines are now guaranteed in battles . 1 sub is not nauseating, but 2 submarines are enough to close the game.