General Submarines related discussions

[deathsadow]

27 minutes ago, TheNubination said:

 

Well you can if its surfaced. You cant hit any ship if various parameters arent in your favour like distance, cover, and now we have depth I guess.

But yeah, it feels like crap getting torped from close range and not being able to shoot. I agree.

Well yeah you can hit if it surface but the U-2501 has like 4 minute of dive capacity ...

[Itwastuesday]

1 hour ago, deathsadow said:

Cool part is that its not only make cap contesting DDs , but cap contesting cruisers vanish too, along with brawling BBs. Time to spam that HE max range and watch the world burn

 

God bless the Queen and her HE spamming Thunderers!

Or probably all cruisers. Why tf would you play maxrange hindenburg if you can play conq?

[deathsadow]

Just now, Itwastuesday said:

Or probably all cruisers. Why tf would you play maxrange hindenburg if you can play conq?

Let me help you with that question: why the hell you play randoms filled with all kinds of toxic trash if you can just play 6v6 ranked in a DD.

[yXOLAXy]

On 8/8/2022 at 12:23 PM, Seraphice said:

In realtà distribuiamo il sondaggio in vari modi, anche a volte con pop-up in-game. Tuttavia, non abbiamo alcuna intenzione di rendere obbligatori i sondaggi.

Capitano dei mari giusti!
~Sera

There is actually a simpler method, just enter two functions in the settings.

You want to play with:
"Aircraft Carrier"
"Submarines"
By ticking off both of them, you agree to play with and against Aircraft Carriers and Submarines as well.
If you do not tick the two options you will not find them in battle neither with nor against.
It's very simple
Aircraft Carriers but above all the Submarines ruin the gaming experience. The Aircraft Carriers should be brought back as they were in 2016, to their original role of supporting the team. On the other hand, if someone likes to play with aereri, let them go and play World of Warplanes. Submarines, on the other hand, must be ELIMINATED from the game!

[JohnMac79]

I have exited to port during battle more times this weekend than i have in 7 years. I am no longer willing to waste my time, would rather just go to the next game.

 

Congrats WG. 10/10 gameplay.

[deathsadow]

17 hours ago, JohnMac79 said:

I have exited to port during battle more times this weekend than i have in 7 years. I am no longer willing to waste my time, would rather just go to the next game.

 

Congrats WG. 10/10 gameplay.

I started to do this aswell, double submarine = quit on loading screen.

 

WG can do anything to subs now , I will allways hate them from the bottom of my heart ... and probably 90% of the " loud minority" will hate them too ... i mean i see more hate to subs than to CV ... thats a sign that something got really worng with them.

 

As for submarine players ... i see a sub i report it, as soon as my reports run out im done for the day.

[JohnMac79]

27 minutes ago, deathsadow said:

As for submarine players ... i see a sub i report it, as soon as my reports run out im done for the day.

 

I report subs on sight and blacklist them. Every single one of them. If they are griefers they have nothing to say that i want to hear.

[deathsadow]

3 minutes ago, JohnMac79 said:

 

I report subs on sight and blacklist them. Every single one of them. If they are griefers they have nothing to say that i want to hear.

Same here ... i got so fed with subs that I no longer only hate the class, but i hate anyone who still play them.

 

This class is all about griefing and legalised cheating... a sub player is a goddamn cheater & 0 respect for cheaters.

[locoelgordo]

Subs are absolute poison, you have the design wrong, the interaction of the 'ping' mechanic, damage control party and homing torpedoes is absolutely crippling, the subs are able to absorb way too much damage, in a DD I can hit a sub with more than a dozen depth charges, at huge risk, and the sub can still kill me with point blank torps or by ramming, in your enthusiasm to justify the enormous investment you have made you have made in these things you are ruining the enjoyment of everyone playing the game. Please step back, reflect and reconsider.

[deathsadow]

On 10/22/2020 at 5:41 PM, YabbaCoe said:

Commanders!

 

We would like to ask you to share your personal experience and feedback from Submarine Battles on TST server in this particular thread!

 

Please edit your messages, stay only on feedback and don't debate here. If you would like to debate about submarines, please do so in other threads.

Posts, that won't follow these rules will be hidden. 

 

Thanks for understanding and good luck in Submarine Battles!

 

 

I just want to know how much mostly negative feedback you guys need to at least do something meaningfull change about the submarines. We are at 135 pages only on this thread and i bet that other regions and languages also have similar dedicated page.

 

What would be needed to at least scrap the homing torp concept for subs ? 500 pages of negative feedback .... maybe 1.000 ?

 

Also isnt it obvious that something is not okay , i see more and more personal attack on sub players in the battle chats, ranging from cheering for the subs death regardless of whos team it was on to even some racist and antisemite slurs, i hate subs myself too but i guess some people really have troble controlling their keyboard when they face one.

[JohnMac79]

The ping effect is completely useless, even if they are staionary you can miss but when they are moving its almost impossible to hit anything with depth charges. Just been chased around the map being pinged to death and didnt manage a single hit while he wrecked 2 BBs and almost get me too before the game ended...

 

Edit: Exactly the same thing on the very next game. Not a single hit.

[Seraphice]

On 8/13/2022 at 11:56 PM, Pukovnik7 said:

So you want an excuse to be able to ignore the surveys and say "this isn't really what the players want, this is fine".

 

That's dumb.

 

No, that is not the reason. We get a lot of replies to those surveys and they are actually very important to us. They are most certainly not ignored, not by us nor the developers.

 

On 8/14/2022 at 4:49 PM, deathsadow said:

I seen quite some of the surveys you mentioned , but it was hardly about anything related to submarines.  I got loads of surveys about Brawls and Ranked , and a few about some events, but I didnt had the chance to express my utter dissapointment on the way you implemented subs. 

 

Dont get me wrong i dont hate on subs as an addition to the game, but the way you guys added it to WoWs is just horrible ... Homing torps , "Im safe " buttom, some ships cant even hurt me while i can sink them (say hello to NL CA or Kearsarge) in a PvP game.... seriously if this is what the peak skill of your dev team than you guys are in deep trouble.

 

Just as some hint:

• Players HATE if in a PvP game they cant fight back their enemy ... maybe just maybe this is the reason while we have Submarine and CV thread and not General Cruiser related discussions
• Players consider no-skill if something is homing & they will be hostile towards players who abuse that .. so your design just makes a really toxic experiance.
• Most player would probably love to play historic Operations with subs like Convoy or something like that.

The update survey usually focuses mostly on the content of the update itself. If there was no major thing about submarines in the update, it is likely not included, however there have been quite a couple surveys this year that have included questions about submarines.

 

We also have dedicated surveys (also about submarines for example) that are sent out through in-game pop-ups.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

[TheNubination]

nevermind probably wouldnt  work.

[tom_kat]

The 2 Subs + CV combo that is so common these days makes me want to cut my veins.

 

I'm experiencing the same sensations as when gold ammo could be bough by credits on WoT. The same frustration, the same thoughs like "I've been playing this game for a long time, trying to learn and improve my gameplay to be completelly abused by a guy that does not have any clue about what this game is about but he is playing tier X and pinging and torping me to death", the same tireness and/or tedium, the awful sensation of "wasting my free time on something that does not give fun anymore"... I tend these days to play some matches until there are lots of subs and CV's, then I quit, this is a big nonsense of videogame.

As many others said:

"Well done, Wargaming"

[deathsadow]

18 hours ago, Seraphice said:

No, that is not the reason. We get a lot of replies to those surveys and they are actually very important to us. They are most certainly not ignored, not by us nor the developers.

 

The update survey usually focuses mostly on the content of the update itself. If there was no major thing about submarines in the update, it is likely not included, however there have been quite a couple surveys this year that have included questions about submarines.

 

We also have dedicated surveys (also about submarines for example) that are sent out through in-game pop-ups.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

If you indeed get the surveys and you dont ignore it, how comes that the homing torp concept is not scrapped yet ? Or you avoid key questions in the survey to make sure the players cant express their issues trough it ? 

 

I have seen a few player who are in favour of submarines , but yet to meet any who thinks that the homing torps are fine.

[Pukovnik7]

18 hours ago, Seraphice said:

No, that is not the reason. We get a lot of replies to those surveys and they are actually very important to us. They are most certainly not ignored, not by us nor the developers.

 

So how about showing results of these surveys, and more importantly, what you intend to do in response to them?

[Deckeru_Maiku]

4 hours ago, Pukovnik7 said:

what you intend to do in response to them?

The usual:

Ignore the negative ones and refer to the few positive ones as "player feedback was that they love submarines (and CVs)"

[Pedro_McCloud]

Hmm. Some of these posts (ie, reporting and black listing subs) are a little pathetic. Ive been on the receiving end of submarines too far too often too but this is how the game is now. Reporting players in subs does what exactly? Absolutely nothing. 
 

If you don’t like the game. Quit. Simples. It really is a case of put up or shut up. Stop screaming in your prams. 
 

 

[Charles__Vane__]

I did not follow the last discussions, but is it planned that hydro will spot submarine?

I mean, it's really its purpose, right? and we have no tool to spot submarines when they are under the surface.

Thus, we can detect torpedoes in the water at many kilometers, but not a submarine??

 

edit: not radar however, since radar is for surface.

[TheFlyingScot]

On 8/18/2022 at 12:47 PM, Pedro_McCloud said:

Hmm. Some of these posts (ie, reporting and black listing subs) are a little pathetic. Ive been on the receiving end of submarines too far too often too but this is how the game is now. Reporting players in subs does what exactly? Absolutely nothing. 
 

If you don’t like the game. Quit. Simples. It really is a case of put up or shut up. Stop screaming in your prams. 
 

 

 

Yeah a game some of us have played since BETA, and have bought ships and prem time because we once enjoyed it should give it all up because WG decided to break the game with broken content?

[NeonViolet]

The cold hard truth is that wargaming does not care, they never did and never will

 

Subs were not wanted and they certainly were not needed, I wager a lot of the survey feedback you get is from people who don't want subs I am willing to bet those are the ones that get ignored because you can't keep developing submarines if you genuinely "Cared" about what your player base wanted

This just brings me to believe that even with the subs being overwhelmingly negatively received you will push through with developing submarines even if it kills your own game.

 

All they care about is how much you are willing to spend on playing their game.

 

I have simply decided that no matter how much I want to buy a premium ship the 10k doubloons I bought this month will be the last time I spend money on this game as it is perfectly clear that you are deadset on killing your own game if you want to continue through with submarines even though no one asked for them or wanted them.

 

As someone else has said on a YT video this game has long overlived its shelf life.

[tom_kat]

33 minutes ago, NeonViolet said:

Subs were not wanted and they certainly were not needed, I wager a lot of the survey feedback you get is from people who don't want subs I am willing to bet those are the ones that get ignored because you can't keep developing submarines if you genuinely "Cared" about what your player base wanted

This just brings me to believe that even with the subs being overwhelmingly negatively received you will push through with developing submarines even if it kills your own game.

I think submarines could be a great addition on a specific game mode or scenario, not in random battles. Not the way they have introduce them. But having a well designed scenario, a nice AI, requires a big amount of money that this company will not spend just because the want the most profit with the less invest. 
And they are making things working, just buffing this class so any newcomer or bad player can have an inmense impact with almost none game aknowledge...
 

[Pikkozoikum]

37 minutes ago, NeonViolet said:

The cold hard truth is that wargaming does not care, they never did and never will

 

Subs were not wanted and they certainly were not needed, I wager a lot of the survey feedback you get is from people who don't want subs I am willing to bet those are the ones that get ignored because you can't keep developing submarines if you genuinely "Cared" about what your player base wanted

This just brings me to believe that even with the subs being overwhelmingly negatively received you will push through with developing submarines even if it kills your own game.

 

All they care about is how much you are willing to spend on playing their game.

 

I have simply decided that no matter how much I want to buy a premium ship the 10k doubloons I bought this month will be the last time I spend money on this game as it is perfectly clear that you are deadset on killing your own game if you want to continue through with submarines even though no one asked for them or wanted them.

 

As someone else has said on a YT video this game has long overlived its shelf life.

Well, there are 2 views on that.

One is, you say "WG does not care" which is not the cold hard truth, rather the half truth

For one, WG has devs. They want money, success and appreciation. The money is mostly fix, so it's only about success and appreciation. They won't get appreciation, by doing something, that nobody wants. Just think about yourself and your job, don't you want appreciation?

Then there is WG as a management-level. Those who are calucalting win and loss, those who are interesting in earning money for the company. Those are interested in money and they will only archieve that, when people buy. Will people buy, when nobody wants it? Serious question.

 

That was one thing, the other thing is, the truth is probably something like that:

(Numbers totally made up for getting a point)

 

There might be 5% of the playerbase, who will leave because of the submarines, they don't want it. Then there are maybe 55%, the majority, who don't want submarines, but stay in game and keep playing. Now there are 20% who want submarines and also 20%, who want submarines and will buy premium submarines.

So, why would WG care about the 5% leaving vs the 20% buying people? Why would WG care about 55% who still stay and even buy stuff.

 

I think that is the reality, they probably evalutad this quite accurate. They do surveys and they can probably create statistics of people, who want subs and who are already put money into the game.

 

I would do that, if I would run a business.

[Pikkozoikum]

7 minutes ago, tom_kat said:

I think submarines could be a great addition on a specific game mode or scenario, not in random battles. Not the way they have introduce them. But having a well designed scenario, a nice AI, requires a big amount of money that this company will not spend just because the want the most profit with the less invest. 
And they are making things working, just buffing this class so any newcomer or bad player can have an inmense impact with almost none game aknowledge...
 

Funfact, people said, they should be in a convoy mode, but actually I think they are bad in convoy mode and better in a cap-mode. They lack in speed and range, so having something stationary is better and just sweep around 2 caps

 

Also they not just keep buffing, there is also a nerfing. WG has statistics, where they differe  between good and bad player impacts

[tom_kat]

8 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

Also they not just keep buffing, there is also a nerfing. WG has statistics, where they differe  between good and bad player impacts

The ping that "reveals" the position of a sub, for example, rng at 2km or more with the delay is not a buff?