General Submarines related discussions

[surfer_gr]

i wonder the feedback data  about subs is taken from all those noob players with 300 account battles in total and 42% wr that take a tier10 sub and go crusing underwater looking for sharks or something ?

 

0 sub battles :P

 

[Fastmotion]

On 6/18/2022 at 6:08 PM, locoelgordo said:

Just admit it WG, these subs just don't work, they suck all the fun out of the game, go back to square one and design them differently. 

Can you try to prove your opinion(s)?

I have never heard anything adequate against Subs and they swim as well as any other vehicle in the water. What do you think needs to be designed there? Do you or many from the wows community hold any degree in designing or such or why do you think that your opinion about designing and things is adequate?

[ghostbuster_]

8 hours ago, Fastmotion said:

Can you try to prove your opinion(s)?

I have never heard anything adequate against Subs and they swim as well as any other vehicle in the water. What do you think needs to be designed there? Do you or many from the wows community hold any degree in designing or such or why do you think that your opinion about designing and things is adequate?

[SV_Kompresor]

4 minutes ago, ghostbuster_ said:

 

You're gonna confuse him. You know that he's physically incapable of understanding memes.

[ghostbuster_]

3 minutes ago, SV_Kompresor said:

You're gonna confuse him. You know that he's physically incapable of understanding memes.

Luckly everyone else understands them 

[Fastmotion]

1 hour ago, SV_Kompresor said:

You're gonna confuse him. You know that he's physically incapable of understanding memes.

It is not so difficult to be adequate and explain what you mean adequately. Me, thousands of players every battle, WG and others would listen to the first argument/explanation one day. But we haven't still heard-seen such. Even this dialogue proves it. There is no need to deny what i said. It just is so and no need to suffer about it.

[SV_Kompresor]

14 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

It is not so difficult to be adequate and explain what you mean adequately. Me, thousands of players every battle, WG and others would listen to the first argument/explanation one day. But we haven't still heard-seen such. Even this dialogue proves it. There is no need to deny what i said. It just is so and no need to suffer about it.

Don't use the word "we". You speak for nobody but yourself.

[Fastmotion]

6 minutes ago, SV_Kompresor said:

Don't use the word "we". You speak for nobody but yourself.

Why do you have such opinion that WG, me, ca 4 players i nevery battle, and some others don't have the same opinion like me? I don't see any sign that they have a different opinion. Therefore there is no need to be afraid to use a word We. It is amusing that in some sociums peopel are afraid to use some wrods like We, War, Pork and they say like you: nobody uses the word War so don't state that others with you use it.

If you can't prove adequately that the word We or War are bad then why do you suffer if people use those words? And even if you manage to prove that those wrods are somehow wrong or bad then why don't you accept that the world has many things that you might not like but it would be even worse if people would start to dictate which words you are allowed to use and what to think.

Because nobody couldn't provide any adequate counter-opinions then i don't see any reason why i should consider to change my opinions. Can you all not suffer because others have different proved opinions and let's move on with other topics?

[SV_Kompresor]

Get me a tl-dr, I ain't reading that.

[Fastmotion]

9 minutes ago, SV_Kompresor said:

Get me a tl-dr, I ain't reading that.

Don't feel sufferings if you don't read things. It is totally fine if you do what you want and keep whichever opinions you want. I for example like CVs but Subs i love. And in every battle you see people who play those ships and there is no need to have illusions that they hate what they do. No, they love it like me, WG, and others. And let peopel have their opinions. Let people read if they want or not read. There is no need to suffer if you miss some posts somewhere. Do whatever you want and have whichever opinions you like, why do you suffer about it?

[SV_Kompresor]

Nice tl-dr. Not.

[Fastmotion]

12 minutes ago, SV_Kompresor said:

Nice tl-dr. Not.

You are safe, don't suffer.

[SV_Kompresor]

Still no tldr.

[ghostbuster_]

54 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

I for example like CVs but Subs i love. And in every battle you see people who play those ships and there is no need to have illusions that they hate what they do. No, they love it like me, WG, and others. 

I play CVs time to time and guess what, it doesn't mean they are not broken just because I play them.

Do I want them removed? Yes.

Do I play them sometimes? Yes.

Do I hate them? No.

Do I love them? also No

Its not about love or hate. its about CVs being broken af. But yet again I dont expect you to understand any of this. 

 

[Fastmotion]

3 minutes ago, ghostbuster_ said:

I play CVs time to time and guess what, it doesn't mean they are not broken just because I play them.

Do I want them removed? Yes.

Do I play them sometimes? Yes.

Do I hate them? No.

Do I love them? also No

Its not about love or hate. its about CVs being broken af. But yet again I dont expect you to understand any of this. 

 

If you really mean that you don't expect others to understand or hold the same opinions than you then you are totally fine and you don't suffer.

So, it should be fine that we have different opinions and you don't expect that all have the same opinion, right?

 

I have understood that people liek to repeat popular terms and one of them is "broken". If i had asked people to explain what they mean by that and other popular terms in the community then they have failed to define those terms and failed to adequately prove their standpoints. My opinion is that nothing is broken or bad and i have never ever heard any adequate arguments against SS/CVs and actually most popular attitudes are wrong in my opinion. For example, it is wrong to give +-1 to people and i have clearly written in my forum that such things are not allowed.

 

I don't see anything broken in any ship types. It is totally fine if we have different opinions.

[ghostbuster_]

23 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

have never ever heard any adequate arguments against SS/CVs

You have seen them many times. you just cant understand them. 

23 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

and actually most popular attitudes are wrong in my opinion. For example, it is wrong to give +-1 to people and i have clearly written in my forum that such things are not allowed.

oh your migty fair form. lol. are you still alone in that forum? well, why is it wrong? Its my opinion and I can give -1 to whoever I want. Its fine to have different opinions you said. what happened to that?

 

23 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

 

I don't see anything broken in any ship types. It is totally fine if we have different opinions.

You lack the gameknowladge to see that. 

[Fastmotion]

8 minutes ago, ghostbuster_ said:

You have seen them many times. you just cant understand them. 

oh your migty fair form. lol. are you still alone in that forum? well, why is it wrong? Its my opinion and I can give -1 to whoever I want. Its fine to have different opinions you said. what happened to that?

 

You lack the gameknowladge to see that. 

You can give -+1 to anyone and have different opinions just like i have different opinions. If you actually mean that it is fine that peopel have different opinions then good but it doesn't appear so. It appears more like so that if someone mentions a word War, or says he likes pork, then the situation becomes very hostile and people try to change his opinions. That's why it is hard to believe that people really mean that they are fine with different opinions. You can add +-1 but it should be fine for you that some clans don't give such +-1.

 

I haven't seen any adequate arguments. Also if WG had had seen those then he would have acted. There is nothing difficult to understand topics in entertainment. It is not a science. I doupt that you can prove that me, WG, and thousands of SS/CV players don't understand anything.

 

You evaluate my gameknowledge but i don't think that there is much knowledge in entertainment. It is enough to go to a bar some evenings and make some snookers or play some evening the ship game and one gets 99% of all the knowledge. Secondly, the knowledge is not strongly connected to the SS/CV question. Those are more political questions, and so called game story building topics etc. No need to have the knowledge which 4-digit number to press in the beginning of every Subs battle etc. So, my opinion is different in the knowledge topic and i hope it is fine if people have different opinions.

[Tanaka_15]

1 hour ago, Fastmotion said:

but i don't think that there is much knowledge in entertainment. It is enough to go to a bar some evenings and make some snookers or play some evening the ship game and one gets 99% of all the knowledge.

You are so wrong, that is hard to even start expaling how badly you are wrong. You are like a preson who watch 45 mins of football game and think that he knows how te game works. 

[Fastmotion]

1 minute ago, Tanaka_15 said:

You are so wrong, that is hard to even start expaling how badly you are wrong. You are like a preson who watch 45 mins of football game and think that he knows how te game works. 

Your opinion doesn't have any adequate proof so i hope you understand that people don't consider much such opinions.

I think that people have wrong understandings about the term Knowledge. Your football example contains a number 45 which you could replace with my phrase " some evenings ". Do you think that people won't understand football after some evenings? Can you give some evidence to such belief. They know that there is a ball and you have to hit it and there are few rules and that's it. This is the Knowledge and contains 99% of the available knowledge. What you have in your mind is to be on the professional level in football but that professional competitive level is not an entertainment compared to Wows and friendly saturday football so it is irrelevant to talk about rare professional level. The professional level player has the same amount of the game knowledge but he just have something more that is not a Knowledge. We can talk about it in a different topic later. In the ship game the goal is to entertain people and few evenings give all the knowledge for that. There is a famous belief i nthe community that Stats equals knowledge and also Stats determines whose opinion is the truth. Well, if you are part of the community then obviously you follow such attitude and that makes sufferings and false believes. For example you believe that i am wrong but you are not able to prove it. The explanation is probably that your believes have no reasoning/logics and they are like adopted facts if to express so. Like "the word War is bad and pork and subs/Cvs are bad and the game has lot of knowledge"- you never doupt if such believes can be wrong and therefore different opinions looks wrong to you but you can't ever prove it of course. I suggest such exercise: try to think which your opinion differs from you community's (allowed) opinions? Is there anything different or not? If you can't find anything different then very likely your and your community believes are brainwashed false believes or how to express i nEnglish. So, i suggest to doupt if you say that i am wrong. And secondly, i suggest to feel chill if i have different opinions. For example i feel relaxed when i know that i have opposite opinions compared your community.

[Siagor]

[_I_love_my_Loliboats]

Dear WG, can you please stop doing that crap? I don't want your fantasy abominations in my port.

[ghostbuster_]

6 hours ago, Fastmotion said:

You can give -+1 to anyone and have different opinions just like i have different opinions. If you actually mean that it is fine that peopel have different opinions then good but it doesn't appear so. It appears more like so that if someone mentions a word War, or says he likes pork, then the situation becomes very hostile and people try to change his opinions. That's why it is hard to believe that people really mean that they are fine with different opinions. You can add +-1 but it should be fine for you that some clans don't give such +-1.

 

I haven't seen any adequate arguments. Also if WG had had seen those then he would have acted. There is nothing difficult to understand topics in entertainment. It is not a science. I doupt that you can prove that me, WG, and thousands of SS/CV players don't understand anything.

 

You evaluate my gameknowledge but i don't think that there is much knowledge in entertainment. It is enough to go to a bar some evenings and make some snookers or play some evening the ship game and one gets 99% of all the knowledge. Secondly, the knowledge is not strongly connected to the SS/CV question. Those are more political questions, and so called game story building topics etc. No need to have the knowledge which 4-digit number to press in the beginning of every Subs battle etc. So, my opinion is different in the knowledge topic and i hope it is fine if people have different opinions.

First you gotta understand that playing sub or CV doesnt mean that these people think they are balanced. Many people I know and me think they are broken as fck but time to time we play these classes. 

[Pikkozoikum]

On 6/20/2022 at 8:29 AM, ghostbuster_ said:

I suggest you not to play the "realism" card.

It's not the realism card, it's the "how WG is designing ships in this game". They go first with the displacement/mass, adjusting the HP then with some balancing factors.

[Fastmotion]

3 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

It's not the realism card, it's the "how WG is designing ships in this game". They go first with the displacement/mass, adjusting the HP then with some balancing factors.

A very popular belief is that Wows is an arcade game. You can see in my posting history debates about that popular topic and other popular attitudes. When i ask peopel to define terms, including the term Arcade, then they have failed. Then i help them and suggest to use a better word like Realistic. Silently they agree with my suggestion and they fail to give examples how Wows is far from realism. Finally they try to say that in computer games you have health bars and other buttons and i nreal life you don't have and therefore all computer games are Arcade or in more adequare term: not realistic. Well, such explanation is not very valid.

I repeat my opinion that Wows is very realistic game. There are some special campaigns or game modes where DDs shoot some kind of sci-fi waves and fire balls- those yes are little bit far from realism but only little bit. But Randoms are totally close to the realism. You don't have to agree with my opinion and knowing which opinions are allowed/common in your community then of course you all probably disagree but you can't give any adequate arguments, you just deny. I suggest to try one day to practice more argumentation/reasoning. you can practice with me. I have al lskills and already educated on that and other topics people and never failed i nnay debates. Come and practice proving me any of your community's believes. Or just look at my historical posts. There you see all those popular allowed opinions defeated.

 

In my opinion current subs appear very realistic on my screen. I don't see any anything wrong or bad in them. Nice vehicles.

[Cammo1962]

9 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

A very popular belief is that Wows is an arcade game. You can see in my posting history debates about that popular topic and other popular attitudes. When i ask peopel to define terms, including the term Arcade, then they have failed. Then i help them and suggest to use a better word like Realistic. Silently they agree with my suggestion and they fail to give examples how Wows is far from realism. Finally they try to say that in computer games you have health bars and other buttons and i nreal life you don't have and therefore all computer games are Arcade or in more adequare term: not realistic. Well, such explanation is not very valid.

I repeat my opinion that Wows is very realistic game. There are some special campaigns or game modes where DDs shoot some kind of sci-fi waves and fire balls- those yes are little bit far from realism but only little bit. But Randoms are totally close to the realism. You don't have to agree with my opinion and knowing which opinions are allowed/common in your community then of course you all probably disagree but you can't give any adequate arguments, you just deny. I suggest to try one day to practice more argumentation/reasoning. you can practice with me. I have al lskills and already educated on that and other topics people and never failed i nnay debates. Come and practice proving me any of your community's believes. Or just look at my historical posts. There you see all those popular allowed opinions defeated.

 

In my opinion current subs appear very realistic on my screen. I don't see any anything wrong or bad in them. Nice vehicles.

It is arcade game and WG has said that themself.