Kansas, worse than tier 7 BB

[Captain_Newman]

On 10/25/2020 at 12:51 AM, __Hercules_ said:

 then that mean we need to paly Minnesota for 350k xp for Vermont OMG im going to use some of my free xp only to get Vermont then im only going to play them under snowflake events. This is the worst ship line ever that WG have release so far.........  

 Why would you think that? T10 BB's generally cost in the ballpark of 250k xp. Kremlin, for example, costs 255k.

[CensorMeDaddyWG]

22 minutes ago, Captain_Newman said:

 Why would you think that? T10 BB's generally cost in the ballpark of 250k xp. Kremlin, for example, costs 255k.

Most Tier 9 BBs have a B hull, though, which usually also comes at something akin to 80k XP. I don't see myself grinding Minnesota either. It looks like it is borderline better than Kansas. I think Vermont might not be completely DOA, but will still be at the lower end of the food chain in regards to TierX BBs. 12 457mm guns can wreak a lot of havoc, and last I heard, she has a 1.95 Sigma. That, at least, isn't terrible. 

 

Edit: The last line I did was US BBs, Iowa has a B and a C Hull that cost you 105.000 XP combined, and Montana adds another 247k XP (No Clan benefits included), so I misremembered how many XP B hulls cost. Still, even Kreml takes 255k +64k for Soyuz's B Hull. 

 

Edit no.2, IJN BB Izumo also has 2 Upgrades worth of over 100k XP for the hull that you need to research. All other BB lines are in-between 54 and 64k XP. Minnesota does have a B hull, but we don't know how expensive it is yet. It's fair to assume that the entire Minnesota grind will take you around 310k XP. That's still a lot. 

[Captain_Newman]

40 minutes ago, AkainuTaisho said:

Most Tier 9 BBs have a B hull, though, which usually also comes at something akin to 80k XP. I don't see myself grinding Minnesota either. It looks like it is borderline better than Kansas. I think Vermont might not be completely DOA, but will still be at the lower end of the food chain in regards to TierX BBs. 12 457mm guns can wreak a lot of havoc, and last I heard, she has a 1.95 Sigma. That, at least, isn't terrible. 

 

Edit: The last line I did was US BBs, Iowa has a B and a C Hull that cost you 105.000 XP combined, and Montana adds another 247k XP (No Clan benefits included), so I misremembered how many XP B hulls cost. Still, even Kreml takes 255k +64k for Soyuz's B Hull. 

 

Edit no.2, IJN BB Izumo also has 2 Upgrades worth of over 100k XP for the hull that you need to research. All other BB lines are in-between 54 and 64k XP. Minnesota does have a B hull, but we don't know how expensive it is yet. It's fair to assume that the entire Minnesota grind will take you around 310k XP. That's still a lot. 

 

Fair enough, I forgot about the B hull tbh.

[Imsali]

I am an outlier then, as I like concept. To be honest I quit playing through the US BB line at Colorado exactly for not wanting to exchange a line of ships with something that are in most respect decent without major flaws and USPs. 

 

My favorite high tier BBs (or favorite any kind of ships) for example have something special going for them - Shikishima for those guns and versatility, Georgia for speed and guns, GK for tankiness and secondaries. Hell, I'd take a Republique over a Montana too. When I'm playing this game, I like to pick ships with distinctive gameplay characteristics, and to me a North Carolina would bring little to the table, while Kansas has at least a high volume broadside going for it with a very different playstyle considering its speed - also I like their design, almost steampunk. Sure, better heal, secondaries and AA would be welcome, but considering my results and the overall stats the ship is performing OK.

To be fair though, these ships are probably purely for random battles, I don't expect any of them popping up in any competitive mode.

 

Disclaimer: In general I'm counter culture as I'm not min-maxing most of my ships, therefore even my Kansas has extended range secondaries even though they are poor. Almost all my BBs are secondary builds - I play for fun. :)

[Whistlersmom]

Kansas is legit making me want to cry. Its soo terrible. I think ill just grind this with my missouri or some other premium by Free XP. 

[Benser33]

There is an upcoming buff to Kansas sigma but it's not going to revolutionise the ship overall.

[lafeel]

13 minutes ago, Astolfo_Is_My_Waifu said:

There is an upcoming buff to Kansas sigma but it's not going to revolutionise the ship overall.

(Potentially) solves one of her issues, while still leaving her with the rest (slow speed, mediocre pen, slower reload speed)

[MixuS]

Kansas is utterly pointless. Comparing to NC, to justify it's slower speed and maneuverability it should have either higher survivability or higher firepower. Kansas has neither. Haven't looked at armor but I think it's comparable while Kansas has worse heal. Amount of guns is higher but that means nothing when you get at most similar results per salvo due to poor accuracy and even worse penetration. So you get worse performance per salvo AND worse reload. So what exactly is better in Kansas than NC? AA?

[lafeel]

51 minutes ago, MixuS said:

So what exactly is better in Kansas than NC? AA?

Not really. She gets DFAA but  their actual AA gun layouts are very similar.

[ColonelPete]

On 12/19/2020 at 1:23 PM, MixuS said:

Kansas is utterly pointless. Comparing to NC, to justify it's slower speed and maneuverability it should have either higher survivability or higher firepower. Kansas has neither. Haven't looked at armor but I think it's comparable while Kansas has worse heal. Amount of guns is higher but that means nothing when you get at most similar results per salvo due to poor accuracy and even worse penetration. So you get worse performance per salvo AND worse reload. So what exactly is better in Kansas than NC? AA?

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20201219/eu_2month/average_ship_u.html

[MixuS]

3 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20201219/eu_2month/average_ship_u.html

In Finland we have this saying "Vale, emävale, tilasto" which can roughly be translated as "Lie, an outrageous lie, statistics".

Being two month average, that spreadsheet includes the time when it was mostly available to CCs if I'm not mistaken. Also, I would argue that early adopters always push stats of any ship higher than they will be in a long run.

[ColonelPete]

6 minutes ago, MixuS said:

In Finland we have this saying "Vale, emävale, tilasto" which can roughly be translated as "Lie, an outrageous lie, statistics".

Being two month average, that spreadsheet includes the time when it was mostly available to CCs if I'm not mistaken. Also, I would argue that early adopters always push stats of any ship higher than they will be in a long run.

Does not change the fact that this is her performance. And that makes her FAR from pointless.

The data also includes battles with 0.1 less Sigma...

[Alogeniger]

I still have to understand how Kansas dispersion works 

Just got out of a battle with a Soyuz perfectly broadside, almost not moving at 9,8 km. I had only one gun loaded so I shoot aiming for waterline and the center of the ship.

One splash short and 2 longs also not even nearly the middle of the ship...

I know I'm bad at aiming but when I open fire with this ship I'm really worried that shells will go in the opposite direction and I will hit myself.

[lafeel]

3 hours ago, Alogeniger said:

One splash short and 2 longs also not even nearly the middle of the ship...

That's just RNG going "nope"..which admittedly is quite painful with a reload this slow.

[Cippalippus]

On 12/19/2020 at 1:15 PM, lafeel said:

On 12/19/2020 at 1:02 PM, Astolfo_Is_My_Waifu said:

There is an upcoming buff to Kansas sigma but it's not going to revolutionise the ship overall.

(Potentially) solves one of her issues, while still leaving her with the rest (slow speed, mediocre pen, slower reload speed)

The Kansas is garbage. I guess it needs to be bad to compensate for a quite decent T10, in case you still want to play T10...

[lafeel]

22 minutes ago, Cippalippus said:

The Kansas is garbage. I guess it needs to be bad to compensate for a quite decent T10, in case you still want to play T10...

Utterly un interested in the line personally. Slow to move and slow to reload makes for a really boring line for me.

[ColonelPete]

On 12/22/2020 at 11:19 AM, MixuS said:

In Finland we have this saying "Vale, emävale, tilasto" which can roughly be translated as "Lie, an outrageous lie, statistics".

Being two month average, that spreadsheet includes the time when it was mostly available to CCs if I'm not mistaken. Also, I would argue that early adopters always push stats of any ship higher than they will be in a long run.

And still better than NC....

Interestingly damage, kills, hit ratio did not change much, but win rating went down a good bit.

[MixuS]

20 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

And still better than NC....

Interestingly damage, kills, hit ratio did not change much, but win rating went down a good bit.

To be fair, Kansas started to grow on me a little bit before this IT BB patch (now too many BBs in queue for me to bother playing them). Still don't get how NC get's so bad stats though.

[ColonelPete]

3 minutes ago, MixuS said:

To be fair, Kansas started to grow on me a little bit before this IT BB patch (now too many BBs in queue for me to bother playing them). Still don't get how NC get's so bad stats though.

Because she has slow shells and most players do not play her enough or do not bother to get used to them. Her Sigma is 0.3 points better than Kansas and people hit less with NC.

[Nit0]

Kansas is weak, but I found Minnesota and Vermont to be solid battleships for it's tiers.

[Valthasar]

Has to be one of, if not the worst ship I've played in recent memory. I just fail to see the design philosophy behind this line. She truely has the whole package of crap guns, crap speed & crap armour. It needs something great to sacrifice so much and it doesn't get anything apart from Def AA which lets face it, is "okay" for tier 8 carriers and pointless for tier 10.