No Camo

[zengaze]

Anybody else noticing a rise in the number of ships they see without camo at high tier? It's indicative of why this game is crap. Seeing a ship without camo used to be a rare thing, now i see it all the time and is demonstrative as to why the battles are trash. They shouldn't be let out of coop, an exodus of experienced players dumping this game, and a rise in this type of noob= crap game. WG putting camo on their ship for free wouldn't solve the underlying problem, that they would press battle without one in the first place.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

5 minutes ago, zengaze said:

Anybody else noticing a rise in the number of ships they see without camo at high tier? It's indicative of why this game is crap. Seeing a ship without camo used to be a rare thing, now i see it all the time and is demonstrative as to why the battles are trash. They shouldn't be let out of coop, an exodus of experienced players dumping this game, and a rise in this type of noob= crap game. WG putting camo on their ship for free wouldn't solve the underlying problem, that they would press battle without one in the first place.

 

The most likely explanation is indeed new players rushing up to the higher tiers without having had the time to earn stacks of camos for their ships. Us veteran players likely have old stocks left, I have those basic camos still in abundance. For some reason WG has also limited the opportunities of earning camos. Have no fear, perma camos are here. Almost as if it's all by design...

[SkollUlfr]

before i stopped playing for a year, maintaining supply of camos was pretty easy.

im now noticing a downward trend in my stocks.

 

my guess is, weegee tuned the drop rates to encourage permacamo and consumable camo sales from new players while draining the reserves established players built up.

 

that said though, given the tone and subject... camo op pls nurf.

[zengaze]

1 minute ago, SkollUlfr said:

before i stopped playing for a year, maintaining supply of camos was pretty easy.

im now noticing a downward trend in my stocks.

 

my guess is, weegee tuned the drop rates to encourage permacamo and consumable camo sales from new players while draining the reserves established players built up.

 

that said though, given the tone and subject... camo op pls nurf.

Yeah i stopped for a year and noticed the same thing.

[Camperdown]

7 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

The most likely explanation is indeed new players rushing up to the higher tiers without having had the time to earn stacks of camos for their ships. Us veteran players likely have old stocks left, I have those basic camos still in abundance. For some reason WG has also limited the opportunities of earning camos. Have no fear, perma camos are here. Almost as if it's all by design...

This really should not be a reason not to carry camo. You can purchase simple camo for 7.5 or 22.5 K credits. It will pay itself every game.

[_HomTanks_]

I was gonna write only "Real men don't use camo"....but then i know some here wouldn't get the joke, so here is my opinion;

 

Not every ship without camo is an indication of an incoming loss. Sometimes experienced players forget to put camo on, too. To my observation, players with extremely low amount of games are one of the reasons.  They can't play good even if they want to (excluding rerolls). Another reason is some just play to play. They start a game, die in 5 minutes, start another, die in 7 min. and goes on like this. 

 

In a Sinop game today, not all team was bad but a Bayern and Nagato were non-responsive to pings or had wrong choice of ammo, everything was wrong. After checking them out when the game ended, one had 200+ and the other one had 300 games total. I was about to line up all the love words to MM, then i remembered one can reach a Tier 10 ship in just 22 games (with special flags and camos). Compared to 22 games, these guys were almost veterans 

 

1- MM looks like the same MM in Alpha/Beta times where there were a couple of hundred or a thousand players only. It seems nothing has been improved with it over the years.

MM obviously needs improvement/adjustment. Because let me be frank here, it is futile and laughable to put a player with 200 games into the same game where another player has 30,000 games.

2- Being able to reach a Tier 10 ship in just 22 games is just ludicrous. Let's assume  the new player doesn't have the special flags. In this case multiply 22 with 2,3,4. Is it logical for a new player to reach tier 10 ships in 44,66,88 games? What do they know in so few games? Nothing.

 

Now if we come back to your comment about no camo or crap game experience, these are the players who play tier 8, 9, 10 ships without a camo thinking they save 22,5K silver. However,  they cause crap game experience to others with or without camos anyway.

 

It's the impotent MM and/or false game design that allows such players and fresh beginners to reach a tier 10 ship in lightning speed. Then again, i assume  some of you're thinking "it's an intended design. Let new players reach to top tier so they can start spending real money if they wanna keep playing top tier". Sure but it doesn't change it is a bad design. It rather makes it an intentionally bad design (for whatever reason).

 

Long story short, those players will keep existing if game mechanics remain the same and we will keep ranting on this forum about them.

[zengaze]

50 minutes ago, Execute0rder66 said:

I was gonna write only "Real men don't use camo"....but then i know some here wouldn't get the joke, so here is my opinion;

 

Not every ship without camo is an indication of an incoming loss. Sometimes experienced players forget to put camo on, too. To my observation, players with extremely low amount of games are one of the reasons.  They can't play good even if they want to (excluding rerolls). Another reason is some just play to play. They start a game, die in 5 minutes, start another, die in 7 min. and goes on like this. 

 

In a Sinop game today, not all team was bad but a Bayern and Nagato were non-responsive to pings or had wrong choice of ammo, everything was wrong. After checking them out when the game ended, one had 200+ and the other one had 300 games total. I was about to line up all the love words to MM, then i remembered one can reach a Tier 10 ship in just 22 games (with special flags and camos). Compared to 22 games, these guys were almost veterans 

 

1- MM looks like the same MM in Alpha/Beta times where there were a couple of hundred or a thousand players only. It seems nothing has been improved with it over the years.

MM obviously needs improvement/adjustment. Because let me be frank here, it is futile and laughable to put a player with 200 games into the same game where another player has 30,000 games.

2- Being able to reach a Tier 10 ship in just 22 games is just ludicrous. Let's assume  the new player doesn't have the special flags. In this case multiply 22 with 2,3,4. Is it logical for a new player to reach tier 10 ships in 44,66,88 games? What do they know in so few games? Nothing.

 

Now if we come back to your comment about no camo or crap game experience, these are the players who play tier 8, 9, 10 ships without a camo thinking they save 22,5K silver. However,  they cause crap game experience to others with or without camos anyway.

 

It's the impotent MM and/or false game design that allows such players and fresh beginners to reach a tier 10 ship in lightning speed. Then again, i assume  some of you're thinking "it's an intended design. Let new players reach to top tier so they can start spending real money if they wanna keep playing top tier". Sure but it doesn't change it is a bad design. It rather makes it an intentionally bad design (for whatever reason).

 

Long story short, those players will keep existing if game mechanics remain the same and we will keep ranting on this forum about them.

Sure people can make a mistake and end up in battle without one, it happens, i'm not talking about people doing that, i'm talking about the proliferation of players at high tier, who just don't put a camo on, for some stupid reason, whether it be to save the silver, or they don't like how camo looks........... they are a problem, and indicative of where this games playerbase is at.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

4 minutes ago, zengaze said:

 or they don't like how camo looks

 

I'd have to agree. Most look awful, some look passable. No camo affords you the cleanest look.

[_HomTanks_]

3 minutes ago, zengaze said:

Sure people can make a mistake and end up in battle without one, it happens, i'm not talking about people doing that, i'm talking about the proliferation of players at high tier, who just don't put a camo on, for some stupid reason, whether it be to save the silver, or they don't like how camo looks........... they are a problem, and indicative of where this games playerbase is at.

Those are mostly the 5, 6 minute players who just play to play and care about nothing and no one. They just populate the MM. There is no solution to that within current game mechanics.

[159Hunter]

Aah those people. I asked a shima earlier this week why he hadn't fitted one.

His response was: "I only use them in competitive, they don't really help here."

Well, needless to say his performance was 'sub-par'.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

Camo and a full set of flags in random battles? Just a wait resources... still I usually use a camo and some flags.. but I got tons from playing for ages already...

[OldPappy]

2 hours ago, Execute0rder66 said:

2- Being able to reach a Tier 10 ship in just 22 games is just ludicrous. Let's assume  the new player doesn't have the special flags. In this case multiply 22 with 2,3,4. Is it logical for a new player to reach tier 10 ships in 44,66,88 games? What do they know in so few games? Nothing.

Didn’t Mountbatten prove that he could mimick a new player and reach t10 in 53 games?

I struggled in t4 after only 50 games and I dont see the enjoyment in getting smashed i T 10 over and over again. But then again, maybe only half the players in a match are experienced these days. 

[Jethro_Grey]

13 minutes ago, OldPappy said:

Didn’t Mountbatten prove that he could mimick a new player and reach t10 in 53 games?

I struggled in t4 after only 50 games and I dont see the enjoyment in getting smashed i T 10 over and over again. But then again, maybe only half the players in a match are experienced these days. 

Maybe he did, right after Flambass proved the same before him.

[_HomTanks_]

13 minutes ago, OldPappy said:

Didn’t Mountbatten prove that he could mimick a new player and reach t10 in 53 games?

I struggled in t4 after only 50 games and I dont see the enjoyment in getting smashed i T 10 over and over again. But then again, maybe only half the players in a match are experienced these days. 

In 22; 

 

 

I think all tiers can be enjoyable if you are in your favorite ships.

[Hopeless_Guppy]

5 hours ago, zengaze said:

Anybody else noticing a rise in the number of ships they see without camo at high tier? It's indicative of why this game is crap. Seeing a ship without camo used to be a rare thing, now i see it all the time and is demonstrative as to why the battles are trash. They shouldn't be let out of coop, an exodus of experienced players dumping this game, and a rise in this type of noob= crap game. WG putting camo on their ship for free wouldn't solve the underlying problem, that they would press battle without one in the first place.

maybe they are players who have achieved al they want to in the game and prefer the ships in the natural real life colours of Navy grey, maybe they have run out of camo's ,either way i don't really see it as much of an issue tbh.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

5 minutes ago, Inappropriate_noob said:

maybe they are players who have achieved al they want to in the game and prefer the ships in the natural real life colours of Navy grey, maybe they have run out of camo's ,either way i don't really see it as much of an issue tbh.

 

Still, hard to imagine that WG marketing research could go so bloody awfully wrong. They have arguably demonstrated that naval wargame buffs indubitably prefer various pumpkin colours, cathedrals or butt ugly monsters with their posterior sections stuck on their ship funnels over warship grey camos. 

[Doversole]

Can a real new player even mount signals, camo and a captain in his first few games? With only premium time it shouls take that many battles to even be able to use his setup for speed grinding. Not counting you have to get consistently more than 1k base xp per matck wich is doubtful for an actual newbie too.

[Rhineheart_Thor]

Just now, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 over warship grey camos. 

I LOVE Battleship Grey ! You would be suprized how many player do not think you have camo on .......     

 

[OldPappy]

47 minutes ago, Jethro_Grey said:

Maybe he did, right after Flambass proved the same before him.

Oh.  Never saw that one. 😊

[DanSilverwing]

12 minutes ago, Doversole said:

Can a real new player even mount signals, camo and a captain in his first few games? With only premium time it shouls take that many battles to even be able to use his setup for speed grinding. Not counting you have to get consistently more than 1k base xp per matck wich is doubtful for an actual newbie too.

Camos and flags after 5 battles, Free XP after 9, Captains after 11.

 

Actually having a stock of flags and camos is a different matter. Premium eco flags are still hard to acquire, whereas our streamers are starting with a huge stash.

[OldPappy]

57 minutes ago, Execute0rder66 said:

In 22; 

 

 

I think all tiers can be enjoyable if you are in your favorite ships.

Oh. I thought 50 was quick. Didnt remember that it was 22. Even worse. 
And yes, all tiers are nice when you are in your favourite ship. 

[Karasu_Browarszky]

1 minute ago, OldPappy said:

Oh. I thought 50 was quick. Didnt remember that it was 22. Even worse. 
And yes, all tiers are nice when you are in your favourite ship. 

 

Am I the only one who needs to grind 50 battles on just tier 6 alone...

[Riggerby]

Whilst its basically become a guarantee at this point the no camo allies on your team will be the first to rush in and die (Weirdly almost always Japanese DD's / German BB's ive noticed too?), I feel like there should be some defence of newer players who struggle in regards to camo's. 

 

I think its probably fair to say for most players the bulk of our camo stocks come from Anniversary / Christmas events where you get Supercontainers from Tier X ships and can stack up hundreds / thousands of camo's to see you through the year. For newer players who dont have many / any Tier 10 ships they do not get this massive haul. They also struggle during the New ship line events / dockyard because they often dont have ships in enough different nations / lines to meet the strict mission requirements of the directives and missions.

 

I still think ofcourse there is no excuse for not just buying the camo that costs credits, Its literally only 22k a game, and if you're playing a BB you can get away with only getting the -7% dispersion if you're really desperate which costs like what, 7.5k? But to be honest. I don't even blame the players for this, I blame the complete lack of tutorials and ingame info for new players. I think this game has a bit of an issue when it comes to teaching new / casual players about all these little ways that they can min max their ship which just leads to these players getting outclassed and outplayed by players who are aware of this stuff and exploit these fine margins to their max. Its purely an educational issue.

 

 

[Karasu_Browarszky]

4 minutes ago, Riggerby said:

Whilst its basically become a guarantee at this point the no camo allies on your team will be the first to rush in and die (Weirdly almost always Japanese DD's / German BB's ive noticed too?), I feel like there should be some defence of newer players who struggle in regards to camo's. 

 

I think its probably fair to say for most players the bulk of our camo stocks come from Anniversary / Christmas events where you get Supercontainers from Tier X ships and can stack up hundreds / thousands of camo's to see you through the year. For newer players who dont have many / any Tier 10 ships they do not get this massive haul. They also struggle during the New ship line events / dockyard because they often dont have ships in enough different nations / lines to meet the strict mission requirements of the directives and missions.

 

I still think ofcourse there is no excuse for not just buying the camo that costs credits, Its literally only 22k a game, and if you're playing a BB you can get away with only getting the -7% dispersion if you're really desperate which costs like what, 7.5k? But to be honest. I don't even blame the players for this, I blame the complete lack of tutorials and ingame info for new players. I think this game has a bit of an issue when it comes to teaching new / casual players about all these little ways that they can min max their ship which just leads to these players getting outclassed and outplayed by players who are aware of this stuff and exploit these fine margins to their max. Its purely an educational issue.

 

 

 

It will also turn into an economical issue. The more the new players struggle, the lower the player retention rate will become. That means more and more vacant one-armed bandits at Casino Wargaming. Soon the carpets will start to look dirty and threadbare, the winos will move in and start loitering, and the squatters are not far behind on their heels. At some point, they will get rezoned and demolished.

[HaachamaShipping]

5 hours ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

Am I the only one who needs to grind 50 battles on just tier 6 alone...

Most T7s are like 70k exp or so, so I guess 50 battles means no exp bonus on camo or flags?

 

Because even with a simple +100% camo and the lower tier exp signals, on premium account that can soon get you 5-8k on a decent game.

 

For speedruns like the 22 games to T10, you basically have to run full tryhard set of Asian camos, all signals and then even a mere 1.7k base exp can look like this.

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