If you want my money, you shall ease the directives/objectives/missions WG

[porpiltortils]

Basically I stopped grinding for dockyard event directives, perma camo mission and early access objectives as they are time consuming, too demanding for certain ships of nations and ridiculously hardened day by day. I have perma camo for Bismarck from Hunt of the Bismarck containers and if I wanted that gothic one I need to play with German ships hundreds of battles. I am stuck at directive 4th 5/6 of dockyard event as before like in Odin and the other one because it requires me to play either co-op which I will not ever or some ships of some nations maybe I don't have or don't like to or a CV (OMG Odin saves us). I am not sure what happens to early access thing as it has some time to go but earlier ones I stopped doing after obtaining first or second free camo. So in the end I pay some hefty amount till now for gamble containers like Black Friday or Santa, premium time and Doubloons but for the ones like those Dockyard and so not a single dime. Why? Because I want to enjoy when I spend my money not tortured, wait for weeks to open the new directive and grind for days and weeks when I could easily get my joy playing my Black Tirp. or Georgia or whatever...I remember when I get my London from an event and I don't remember it was this hard or long. Long story short WG, if you want my money in any currency, you shall ease your grind options. Otherwise my wallet grows bigger and bigger.

[Lebedjev]

Do you want a money gate, in order to make mission less grindy ? =.=

[Alexhideg94]

22 minutes ago, porpiltortils said:

they are time consuming, too demanding for certain ships of nations and ridiculously hardened day by day

Have you played PR event? Now its much easier, the only thing i dont like is the fact that you have to pay for 2 stages to get the ship even if you completed all missions! But still its better than PR event!

[Wulf_Ace]

Typical thinking of a today gamer, I want everything and I want it now without any effort.

 

I am casual player and I manage to grind directives very easy, so if you dont then it means you play less then half an hour a day or you are really bad in this game. Saying that directives are hard to grind (not to mention that they are free source of flags and other stuff) then you have a problem with you gaming in general.

 

 

[porpiltortils]

No. Actually in the end by doubloons or some sort of currency Wg requires my irl money to get the reward. They are not free. I find this logical and willing to pay. The problem is, if so, the grind should not be that hard. Otherwise I am not willing to pay. This leads us I am not willing to grind either. Who is on the loosing end? Me or WG?

[porpiltortils]

2 minutes ago, Wulf_Ace said:

Typical thinking of a today gamer, I want everything and I want it now without any effort.

 

I am casual player and I manage to grind directives very easy, so if you dont then it means you play less then half an hour a day or you are really bad in this game. Saying that directives are hard to grind (not to mention that they are free source of flags and other stuff) then you have a problem with you gaming in general.

  

 

Sorry Sir, I am 43 and playing comp. games since 10. Let me tell you I finished GODS in Amiga with no cheat if u can understand what I mean. I am pointing out something over here. The events mostly I am complaining about are not FREE at all for the final reward. They require you pay something. Even if you think they are free like the latest camo event, it is not. Wg is demanding you to SPEND your TIME (it is a currency convertible to USD or any currency like) not however you like but for their goals like playing certain ships for a ridiculous amount of time. Please try to look from a different perspective. 

[porpiltortils]

10 minutes ago, CeKyPuTo said:

Have you played PR event? Now its much easier, the only thing i dont like is the fact that you have to pay for 2 stages to get the ship even if you completed all missions! But still its better than PR event!

No I didn't. I think I have not been playing this game at that time and tbh I would not even if I have. I wrote hardened day by day because as I remember London event was not that hard. For the rest. please read my above comment.

[Yedwy]

35 minutes ago, Wulf_Ace said:

(not to mention that they are free source of flags and other stuff)

Ok I call BS on this part as I dont even remember when we last had a directive chain that gave any significant number of dragon flags (or any flags for that matter) and only few flags for tasks like "get 5 achievements in a single battle" is not funny at all...

[_Thor_Odinson_]

2 hours ago, Wulf_Ace said:

Typical thinking of a today gamer, I want everything and I want it now without any effort.

 

I am casual player and I manage to grind directives very easy, so if you dont then it means you play less then half an hour a day or you are really bad in this game. Saying that directives are hard to grind (not to mention that they are free source of flags and other stuff) then you have a problem with you gaming in general.

 

 

Agree with the first sentence,  not so much with the second paragraph tho.

WG nerfed missions, tasks, and even the PT mission rewards that gave you dragon signals, after realizing, that people gathered them en masse or bought them from the store whenever possible. 

Same for camos, as 3 years ago, we had camo bundles in the store every other week.

 

In the past year, only once.

 

WG botched up the economy, thus nerfed rewards significantly. 

2 hours ago, porpiltortils said:

No. Actually in the end by doubloons or some sort of currency Wg requires my irl money to get the reward. They are not free. I find this logical and willing to pay. The problem is, if so, the grind should not be that hard. Otherwise I am not willing to pay. This leads us I am not willing to grind either. Who is on the loosing end? Me or WG?

You are on the losing end.

WG does not care if one or a hundred players stop paying, because for each one that stops, a thousand others keep paying or start paying.

2 hours ago, porpiltortils said:

Sorry Sir, I am 43 and playing comp. games since 10. Let me tell you I finished GODS in Amiga with no cheat if u can understand what I mean. I am pointing out something over here. The events mostly I am complaining about are not FREE at all for the final reward. They require you pay something. Even if you think they are free like the latest camo event, it is not. Wg is demanding you to SPEND your TIME (it is a currency convertible to USD or any currency like) not however you like but for their goals like playing certain ships for a ridiculous amount of time. Please try to look from a different perspective. 

Does that mean you're a unicum? Oh, hidden stats. 

 

You're of course right that no event is really free, because ALL events WG made in the past two years, were specifically designed to force players to fork out money, to either ease the grind or skip it to a lsrge degree.

And it got worse over time, because WG removed any option to get stuff for free.

 

No amount of time spend, will give you Anchorage, Florida or Minnesota for free, not even the funky eagle camo for the thicc ships. 

 

 

[porpiltortils]

45 minutes ago, _Thor_Odinson_ said:

You are on the losing end.

WG does not care if one or a hundred players stop paying, because for each one that stops, a thousand others keep paying or start paying.

Do you work for WG or have a data about this? You are simply assuming something which may or may not be true. I will still use my power as a paying customer to a company hoping that will change their mistake so mutual benefits will continue. 

49 minutes ago, _Thor_Odinson_ said:

Does that mean you're a unicum? Oh, hidden stats. 

 

You're of course right that no event is really free, because ALL events WG made in the past two years, were specifically designed to force players to fork out money, to either ease the grind or skip it to a lsrge degree.

And it got worse over time, because WG removed any option to get stuff for free.

 

No amount of time spend, will give you Anchorage, Florida or Minnesota for free, not even the funky eagle camo for the thicc ships. 

 

No it does not and I am not. I wrote that to clarify I am not a TODAY gamer and not wanting anything without effort. It is interesting though you understood something about being a unicum player then checking and mentioning about my stats being hidden. If you really desperately want to see my stats I can share them with you which means nothing to this conversation. Although I will keep my stats private rightfully. You can complain and want a change from WG to disable to hide the stats.

I will repeat myself and clear out the thing WG is a company and needs to profit. So I agree on their decision to forking out money from players and removing *free* (time is not a free asset) stuff. I am willing to pay reasonable prices for the things I like. I am doing and did as well. Within this perspective my time and my money is not available for both long/hard missions and overpriced ships. I will not whale out for example Anchorage nor I will grind that much and buy it for a discounted reasonable price. In the end I will not loose anything but WG does. I hope I am clear enough. 

Last time, nothing on the earth now is FREE. Believe me your most valuable and expensive not free thing is your time.

[Sunleader]

6 hours ago, porpiltortils said:

Basically I stopped grinding for dockyard event directives, perma camo mission and early access objectives as they are time consuming, too demanding for certain ships of nations and ridiculously hardened day by day. I have perma camo for Bismarck from Hunt of the Bismarck containers and if I wanted that gothic one I need to play with German ships hundreds of battles. I am stuck at directive 4th 5/6 of dockyard event as before like in Odin and the other one because it requires me to play either co-op which I will not ever or some ships of some nations maybe I don't have or don't like to or a CV (OMG Odin saves us). I am not sure what happens to early access thing as it has some time to go but earlier ones I stopped doing after obtaining first or second free camo. So in the end I pay some hefty amount till now for gamble containers like Black Friday or Santa, premium time and Doubloons but for the ones like those Dockyard and so not a single dime. Why? Because I want to enjoy when I spend my money not tortured, wait for weeks to open the new directive and grind for days and weeks when I could easily get my joy playing my Black Tirp. or Georgia or whatever...I remember when I get my London from an event and I don't remember it was this hard or long. Long story short WG, if you want my money in any currency, you shall ease your grind options. Otherwise my wallet grows bigger and bigger.

 

Putting WGs very questionable internal Calculations on how much Grind a Player nerds to do to be worth a Discount or Premium Reward aside.

 

 

The Problem seems to be your Refusal to Play Coop.

Not Playing Coop makes some of the Missions Grindy.

 

Thing is. You refusing to use the easy Method is your Decision.

You cant Blame WG for not liking the Easy way they give for these Grinds.

[Aethervoxx]

If you want my money, WG, you will offer a dedicated clan flag slot for purchase. Otherwise, my wallet remains closed.

[lossi_2018]

I just stopped playing, if I see another event i ll kill myself

[rimmer_the]

9 hours ago, Wulf_Ace said:

Typical thinking of a today gamer, I want everything and I want it now without any effort.

 

I am casual player and I manage to grind directives very easy, so if you dont then it means you play less then half an hour a day or you are really bad in this game. Saying that directives are hard to grind (not to mention that they are free source of flags and other stuff) then you have a problem with you gaming in general.

 

 

Insults and poor grammar will get you nowhere. Some "gamers" also have little time, as they need most of it...for real life. 

[Kutfroat]

5 hours ago, porpiltortils said:

Do you work for WG or have a data about this? You are simply assuming something which may or may not be true. I will still use my power as a paying customer to a company hoping that will change their mistake so mutual benefits will continue. 

No it does not and I am not. I wrote that to clarify I am not a TODAY gamer and not wanting anything without effort. It is interesting though you understood something about being a unicum player then checking and mentioning about my stats being hidden. If you really desperately want to see my stats I can share them with you which means nothing to this conversation. Although I will keep my stats private rightfully. You can complain and want a change from WG to disable to hide the stats.

I will repeat myself and clear out the thing WG is a company and needs to profit. So I agree on their decision to forking out money from players and removing *free* (time is not a free asset) stuff. I am willing to pay reasonable prices for the things I like. I am doing and did as well. Within this perspective my time and my money is not available for both long/hard missions and overpriced ships. I will not whale out for example Anchorage nor I will grind that much and buy it for a discounted reasonable price. In the end I will not loose anything but WG does. I hope I am clear enough. 

Last time, nothing on the earth now is FREE. Believe me your most valuable and expensive not free thing is your time.

dont bother with this conversation any longer...the underlying problem here is: you/me/some others are grown ups with jobs, some have even kids. we are the reasonable ones. the ones with a realistic view in this.

 

the others telling us that we want everything for free, have no or less such "time consuming hinderences" and are able to play 3-6 hours every day. like we most likely did back at some day when we were younger (i'm 42 myself, i played counterstrike starting at version 0.4 when guns didnt have random spray/recoil and you could actually manage recoil with skill...but too many cheaters absused that mechanic so they implemented that kind of random spray as recoil that you now have in every shooter, just that you guys know for how long i play pvp games. and i played really alot back than). but as you said, that was for my own fun, not for a grind that i even had to pay for to get the final reward.

 

and that is where WG went wrong. a grind that i even paid for, should either be reasonable with a realistic amount of playtime needed in a certain  timewindow, or should'nt run out at all so that if you paid for, you will finish it on your pace.

 

but i dont even bother with the dockyard event, because even if i would pay for them as we are force now to do, i wont be able to finish them in time, unless i pay even more...

 

and i've spent hundreds of euros on this game, what some might call stupid, but I'm not that stupid. sorry WG.

[Altsak]

9 hours ago, porpiltortils said:

Basically I stopped grinding for dockyard event directives, perma camo mission and early access objectives as they are time consuming, too demanding for certain ships of nations and ridiculously hardened day by day

 

Yeah likewise. And now because I know I have to buy the remaining stages with a lot of real money, I don't bother.

[Jvd2000]

Warships had some grindy events in the past but these events were once in a few patches and not the continues missions/ events at the same time. Missions that have such specific requirements ( ships/class/ nations) that you cannot work at multiple goals at the same time. So it becomes more timeconsuming. On the other hand many missions can ( and sometimes should be done) in co op and a lot of RNG based missions have been replaced by just do this a lot of time type of requirement.

 

The rewards have been turned down a notch. Or if the reward is still great you are directly forced to spent real money as to complete or to bypass the most ridiculous requirements..

 

So..

1. too many events and even multiple events at the same time...

2. Maybe more easy ( less skildependant) but more grindy and timeconsuming missions.

3. The replacement of the old “ either you grind successfully and get your prize” vs “you do not succeed with the grind and thus get nothing”. No money shortcut possible...except maybe playing premium... but not that you can outright buy your way through the event.

4. The rewards... in the old days we got rather good rewards.. from a stingy Emden or a Dreadnought up towards a random T6. Now the rewards of T5/T6 are the intermediate rewards and almost all are rather mehboats... the big reward prizes are hidden behind a semi paywall. 
 

So for me my stand on the current 4 (!!!!) events.

 

Currently going well with the dockyard event. I started the last cycle with a one day delay and have 16 or so days left to complete the 6th round were normally I only needed less then 6/7 days... But it does require me to play a select number of specific DD’s and cruisers since I focus on a few missions only and selected that the DD and cruiser type was the most efficient.

 

Bismarck camo? Ignored, playing German ships does not match the dockyard requirements.

 

Epoch. Last mission round, have the most generalistic missions active. Not in a hurry. 
 

US battleships... Currently cruising through second fase. Missions are so generic that achieving them is not a concern... looking at the 3rd and 4th week the grind goes up to max... Not sure if Kansas is worthwhile.. will probably drop...but I will be pissed to miss even this very mediocre reward

 

So looking back.. am I playing a game or am I working my [edited]of to find loopholes to cut some corners and try to find some synergy in the missions..

[Taliesn]

12 hours ago, porpiltortils said:

Sorry Sir, I am 43 and playing comp. games since 10. Let me tell you I finished GODS in Amiga with no cheat if u can understand what I mean. I am pointing out something over here. The events mostly I am complaining about are not FREE at all for the final reward. They require you pay something. Even if you think they are free like the latest camo event, it is not. Wg is demanding you to SPEND your TIME (it is a currency convertible to USD or any currency like) not however you like but for their goals like playing certain ships for a ridiculous amount of time. Please try to look from a different perspective. 

 

I've just finished the Five Epochs campaign as I was re-grinding the IJN BB and DD lines, I've hardly been forced to play ships I usually don't (other than Des Moines in coop for the latest stage) and I haven't played more than usual. So no. It is free and indeed you must play a bit to get them perma camos, go figure huh?

[albin322]

i dont get it think the event is to grindy ? then just dont play it see was that hard ? 

[porpiltortils]

8 hours ago, Sunleader said:

Thing is. You refusing to use the easy Method is your Decision.

You cant Blame WG for not liking the Easy way they give for these Grinds.

Yes this is my decision not to use the easy and boring to hell decision. I am playing this game because it is multiplayer and my understanding of mp doesn't involve bots.

I can complain about any company that I am paying for and I am sure they understand this and react differently than some other people not involved in business or not working for the company itself. 

[porpiltortils]

5 hours ago, rimmer_the said:

Some "gamers" also have little time, as they need most of it...for real life.

I can totally agree on this and I think that kind of gamers are paying most tbh because they are earning to be able to pay...

[porpiltortils]

4 hours ago, Kutfroat said:

dont bother with this conversation any longer...the underlying problem here is: you/me/some others are grown ups with jobs, some have even kids. we are the reasonable ones. the ones with a realistic view in this.

 

the others telling us that we want everything for free, have no or less such "time consuming hinderences" and are able to play 3-6 hours every day. like we most likely did back at some day when we were younger (i'm 42 myself, i played counterstrike starting at version 0.4 when guns didnt have random spray/recoil and you could actually manage recoil with skill...but too many cheaters absused that mechanic so they implemented that kind of random spray as recoil that you now have in every shooter, just that you guys know for how long i play pvp games. and i played really alot back than). but as you said, that was for my own fun, not for a grind that i even had to pay for to get the final reward.

 

and that is where WG went wrong. a grind that i even paid for, should either be reasonable with a realistic amount of playtime needed in a certain  timewindow, or should'nt run out at all so that if you paid for, you will finish it on your pace.

 

but i dont even bother with the dockyard event, because even if i would pay for them as we are force now to do, i wont be able to finish them in time, unless i pay even more...

 

and i've spent hundreds of euros on this game, what some might call stupid, but I'm not that stupid. sorry WG.

 Actually I am trying to reply every comment regardless of the content if I agree or not because I want this thread HOT to be seen and get interacted rapidly. I am sure you can get my point. While I was working for an ISP beginning of my career more than 20 years ago we had the biggest CS server in my country which was run by a team including me and even before a Quake server. We did the similar mistakes at some point we thought we are great and invulnerable by ignoring the player base and community demands at that time and it costed us money. So I know how things work.

Again I am sure WG will understand the righteous complain about the paying customers. Thank you for your precious point of view!

[porpiltortils]

4 hours ago, Altsak said:

 

Yeah likewise. And now because I know I have to buy the remaining stages with a lot of real money, I don't bother.

I am not against paying for some amount as long as the grind is reasonable and cover for the amount that I shall pay. I don't ask for completely free or unreasonable grind. I just want to spend an acceptable amount of time as my time is my money as well.

[ImperialAdmiral]

Isn't there already such possibility?

 

Buy a premium ship of the week/month and get easier missions 

[porpiltortils]

2 hours ago, Jvd2000 said:

Currently going well with the dockyard event. I started the last cycle with a one day delay and have 16 or so days left to complete the 6th round were normally I only needed less then 6/7 days... But it does require me to play a select number of specific DD’s and cruisers since I focus on a few missions only and selected that the DD and cruiser type was the most efficient.

Nice to hear that but for me it is not. Also when I play some missions like shoot 100 planes with European destroyers of some tier, I face problems like having no cvs at all. IF I play with another DD random battle mm brings cv. But when I play Halland no cvs like even IF there is a cv they fly their planes on the other side of the map because you are a Halland. When everyone is complaining about cvs how hard can it be to shoot 100 planes with a Halland right? It took me more than 40 battles to do that and I could shoot down if there were cvs at least 10 or 20 planes per battle while they were running away from me.

2 hours ago, Jvd2000 said:

Bismarck camo? Ignored, playing German ships does not match the dockyard requirements.

Yeah achieving multiple missions/directives at the same time you spent your time playing game is a dream now and intention here by WG is to force you to play more and their choices not yours. I understand this but I could only accept it if they are reasonable. I like to play my tirpitz or bismarck but I can't cause the last days of European Captain mission, dockyard event, early access event and so don't match with the requirements of Bismarck camo event. And why do I have to grind that much for another perma camo which will not give me anything except aesthetics?

 

2 hours ago, Jvd2000 said:

Epoch. Last mission round, have the most generalistic missions active. Not in a hurry. 

I didn't even check the requirements closely as playing T2-4 nightmare for more than a few hours is not for me at all.

 

2 hours ago, Jvd2000 said:

 

So looking back.. am I playing a game or am I working my [edited]of to find loopholes to cut some corners and try to find some synergy in the missions..

Unfortunately people who have a lot of time and less money are doing this and I am not blaming them. The thing is I don't want to spend that time and if I don't enjoy what I am doing I won't pay either. I am trying to tell this to WG and I trust in myself that I will do it :D