Sniper divisions fair play or match rigging ?

[Beastofwar]

Upon entering a match a team member typed "WATCH OUT CV THEY ARE GOING TO SNIPE YOU !"

 

Ok. i thought....good luck with that assuming it would be a CV attacking me......but i had not checked the enemy roster at all. That team mate did.....and saw a divsion of 2 tier 9 Mushashi's and a tier 8 CV in a division And immidiatly knew what they were up to. But i was oblivious to that still....

 

That ofcourse changed when that CV did not attack but simply lit me up. And the heavy Musahsi shells already crashed on my CV. I don't think i could have done a lot even if i knew what they were up to from second 1 after start. So i scrambled planes and intercepted him with fighters. Worked, but he was back in a jiffy ofcourse. The 2 Mushashi's had all but sunk me before i found refuge behind an island. But i was low HP enough the CV could finish me off.

 

Now.....i have seen this pre planned "legal" match rigging before, then with a T8 CV and 2 AA configured T9 Frieslands now with a T8 CV and 2 T9 Mushashi's. And i don't know what to think of it.

 

Is this ability to 100 % win pre-planned fair with such set up divisons in randoms ? Or is it abusive ? Is the ability to bring tier 9 ships to help whack a certain to be there T8 CV fair ? Or abusive ?

 

And before you celebrate the methods of the "just/rightful" killing of a hated CV before it can even play.......it is about a whole team/side in a match that gets defeated by this practise as well. So they are not only snuffing a CV...they are setting YOU up to fail as well when you are in the team that does not have this pre planned 100 % win division. It is nothing less then match rigging, but in a way that is possible withing game function.

 

I have learned to watch the roster before the battle now..... but i doubt with slow CV acceleration and limited enemy intercept abilities when he stays outside the CV's AA range there is not much i can do different.

 

My opinion divisions are very unfair amidst rosters of solo players. If players must play coordinated together let them do that in clan battles. Or in dedicated matches filled with divisioned players.

 

I am immune for rediculous remarks of "bad play" as i did not play at all,  only ran for cover and intercept as many enemy plane as i could......to no avail.

[ColonelPete]

5 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

Is this ability to 100 % win pre-planned fair in randoms ? Or is it abusive ? Is the ability to bring tier 9 ships to help whack a certain to be there T8 CV fair ? Or abusive ?

Since when is shooting your guns abusive?

And since when is this tactic 100% foolproof?

[Riggerby]

From all the conversations i have had with you, you have seemed like a CV main to me, so its very weird you have never seen / heard of 899 divisions.

There are plenty of videos about it on youtube.

 

Is it fair? Is it balanced? Probably not, but, I really don't think any players will have sympathy for the class that revolves around no counterplay killing getting killed in a manner it has no counterplay against. 

 

CV's 'just dodging' the 899 divisions is a similar experience to the 'just dodge' experience ship players have to face.

[TheBrut3]

I don't see the problem in it. Put your CV in reverse when you see this.

[Beastofwar]

9 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

 

And since when is this tactic 100% foolproof?

 

It is not as you can see that team fought hard without their CV but lost afterall.

 

But is is an extreme disadvantage leading to much more wins for the pre planned division snipers.....thus higher WR also, and not in a skilled or fair way.

 

Players doing this will ( later ) probably synch drop in other modes too raising their solo WR to camouflage such practises. 

 

 

[SnuSnu_RIP]

Just shows how much the players "like" CVs in the game. I understand these snipes absolutely. CVs are broken, and there are just few ways to deal with them....thats the quickest one.

 

 

Btw. why you dont #justdodge?

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, Beastofwar said:

 

It is not as you can see that team fough hard without their CV but lost afterall.

 

But is is an extreme disadvantage leading to much more wins.....thus higher WR also, and not is a skilled or fair way.

 

Players doing this will probably synch drop in other modes too raising their sole WR to camouflage such practises. 

Divisions and good teamplay lead to more wins. Yes.

That is hardly new or surprising.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

18 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

 

I am immune for rediculous remarks of "bad play" as i did not play at all,  only ran for cover and intercept as many enemy plane as i could......to no avail.

 

Sounds familiar. Just dodge.

Fair? No. Funny? Yes.

[Beastofwar]

5 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Divisions and good teamplay lead to more wins. Yes.

That is hardly new or surprising.

 

Ah, deleting a specific -1 tier ship right after start with use of 3 player coordination using 2 x +1 tier ships is good play.

 

Has nothing to do with fiddling with win chance ( and with that artificially influence  your WR )  before you even start the match and all.......

[Jethro_Grey]

1 minute ago, SnuSnu_RIP said:

Just shows how much the players "like" CVs in the game. I understand these snipes absolutely. CVs are broken, and there are just few ways to deal with them....thats the quickest one.

Pretty much this.

 

Besides, getting wrecked by means you can't really counter, apart from the obvious "just dodge"...why does it sound so familiar? Oh, right! That's how CVs work,  and how everyone else, who's not playing them feels, almost every game. 

 

 

[Beastofwar]

7 minutes ago, Jethro_Grey said:

Pretty much this.

 

Besides, getting wrecked by means you can't really counter, apart from the obvious "just dodge"...why does it sound so familiar? Oh, right! That's how CVs work,  and how everyone else, who's not playing them feels, almost every game. 

 

 

 

Can't dodge without speed.....i did say that too didnt i ?

 

Deleting just after match start gives no opportunity to get out of harms way. The weren't using Mushashi's by coincidence......

 

I won't lament over this as it was a learning experience.......just dislike the unsportsman like players that rig matches like this.....and probably flaunt high WR, berating ""lessers" What fakes they are....

[ColonelPete]

2 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

 

Ah, deleting a specific -1 tier ship right after start with use of 3 player coordination using 2 x +1 tier ships is good play.

 

Has nothing to do with fiddling with win chance ( and with that fake your WR )  before you even start the match and all.......

A CV does not even need a division for that...

 

Hint: do not get sunk! But since you did not know the tactic, did not even check the enemy setup and did not listen to your teammate, you were an easy target. Hardly their fault...

[Jethro_Grey]

2 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

 

Ah, deleting a specific -1 tier ship right after start with use of 3 player coordination using 2 x +1 tier ships is good play.

 

Has nothing to do with fiddling with win chance ( and with that fake your WR )  before you even start the match and all.......

Yes, it is good play. 

Because if they don't,  the CV will remove a DD or CL right at the start.

 

And of course playing in divs is a means to increase WR, that's why people do it in the first place. Nothing new or wrong about that. Statpedding divs are as old as WG games, you can find tons of those in lower tiers, mostly those cancerous CV/ Kamikaze divs, and those play mostly against new players.

 

You don't have to like 899 divs, all you can do is just dodge, and if that doesn't work, accept it like the rest of us has to accept that CVs are in the game. Is it fair? No. But neither is playing against that broken class.

 

BTW, I am open for 899 divs...mention this for no reason whatsoever...  ^^

[Beastofwar]

9 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

A CV does not even need a division for that...

 

Hint: do not get sunk! But since you did not know the tactic, did not even check the enemy setup and did not listen to your teammate, you were an easy target. Hardly their fault...

 

Does a Mushashi overmatch a Pacival ? Yes ?

 

Only 25 mm plating, even the deck.....

 

There were 2 Mushashis firing the second of light up.....an i am sure the Yoshino went with it with HE out of opportunity altough not of that division. Can't blame him though, i would shoot too. 

 

No angle is or was safe.

 

My opinion is and was divisions must be removed from solo player matches. As a result it would be curious if WR's were to drop because it was being abused for that , but that is only a side issue.

[Jethro_Grey]

10 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

 

Can't dodge without speed.....i did say that too didnt i ?

 

Deleting just after match start gives no opportunity to get out of harms way. The weren't using Mushashi's by coincidence......

 

I won't lament over this as it was a learning experience.......just dislike the unsportsman like players that rig matches like this.....and probably flaunt high WR, berating ""lessers" What fakes they are....

There is no "rigging", that's how the game works. If you face a triple unicum division with no CVs, do you call that rigging too? 

 

It's a means to play with friends AND allow the div a more coordinated play, for the sole purpose of winning games.

 

And a lot of players consider playing against CVs with no means of counterplay,  unsporting too, yet CV players usually don't give a crap. Accept it, move on.

 

And I'm still wondering why we don't see more of these divs, cause I like the concept. Each team should have one of those.

[GarrusBrutus]

10 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

Deleting just after match start gives no opportunity to get out of harms way. 

Yeah, sucks doesn't it? 

[Beastofwar]

I see no one is smart enough/or too blinded by CV hate  to see when their sides CV gets sniped they lose too........it is abusive to the whole enemy side of a match...not only the CV....all those enemies lose afterall.

[ForlornSailor]

39 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

And before you celebrate the methods of the "just/rightful" killing of a hated CV before it can even play.......it is about a whole team/side in a match that gets defeated by this practise as well. S

 

So where is the difference to the cruiser, that gets spotted by a CV early while trying to get into position and getting blasted from the BBs on your side? Or the DD, that is actually playing the game, going for the objective, losing first half of his health to rocket planes & other half to the spotting of the CV?

 

Ill answer for you: no difference. suck it up. It only perfectly shows the attitude of players like you any why you chose this class. Let me sum it up for you "waah waah, I dont want people to shoot at me waah waah".

[Beastofwar]

3 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

 

So where is the difference to the cruiser, that gets spotted by a CV early while trying to get into position and getting blasted from the BBs on your side? Or the DD, that is actually playing the game, going for the objective, losing first half of his health to rocket planes & other half to the spotting of the CV?

 

Ill answer for you: no difference. suck it up. It only perfectly shows the attitude of players like you any why you chose this class. Let me sum it up for you "waah waah, I dont want people to shoot at me waah waah".

 

Don't you think i have been in exploding Cruisers exposed by CV when just traveling to a position right after start ?

 

The difference is no one was planning on that to artificially boost their WR.......

 

Your example is an enemy making a mistake. The other is messing with match outcomes before the match has started.......somehow the word "CV" seems to blur that for some here.....

[Nibenay78]

38 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

Now.....i have seen this pre planned "legal" match rigging before, then with a T8 CV and 2 AA configured T9 Frieslands now with a T8 CV and 2 T9 Mushashi's. And i don't know what to think of it.

I think that I've not paid much attention to this idea. I thank you for bringing it to my attention again! Where did I put that Friesland again...

 

38 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

Is this ability to 100 % win pre-planned fair with such set up divisons in randoms ? Or is it abusive ? Is the ability to bring tier 9 ships to help whack a certain to be there T8 CV fair ? Or abusive ?

So you are sayng the loss of a CV early on is guaranteed defeat? Sounds like this class is unbalanced. No other early loss of a shp tends to make the game a defeat.

 

38 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

And before you celebrate the methods of the "just/rightful" killing of a hated CV before it can even play......

Like CVs snuff out DDs with help of random non-div fire..

 

38 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

.it is about a whole team/side in a match that gets defeated by this practise as well. So they are not only snuffing a CV...they are setting YOU up to fail as well when you are in the team that does not have this pre planned 100 % win division. It is nothing less then match rigging, but in a way that is possible withing game function.

Again its almost like the CV staying alive is paramount...

 

38 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

My opinion divisions are very unfair amidst rosters of solo players. If players must play coordinated together let them do that in clan battles. Or in dedicated matches filled with divisioned players.

Get some friends and div up?

 

38 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

I am immune for rediculous remarks of "bad play" as i did not play at all,  only ran for cover and intercept as many enemy plane as i could......to no avail.

We have all been running for cover the last 1,5 year. it is indeed to no avail. Feels frustrating doesnt it? 

 

[ColonelPete]

17 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

 

Does a Mushashi overmatch a Pacival ? Yes ?

 

Only 25 mm plating, even the deck.....

 

There were 2 Mushashis firing the second of light up.....an i am sure the Yoshino went with it with HE out of opportunity altough not of that division. Can't blame him though, i would shoot too. 

 

No angle is or was safe.

 

My opinion is and was divisions must be removed from solo player matches. As a result it would be curious if WR's were to drop because it was being abused for that , but that is only a side issue.

You get taken out once, because of your cluelessness, and immediately you ask for the removal of a game feature...

 

The tactic is years old. And after all these years, you encountered it once, and it is already too much for you.

You are not even trying to learn. You would prefer to remove a challenge from the game, before putting in effort to overcome it.

 

[ForlornSailor]

1 minute ago, Beastofwar said:

Don't you think i have been in exploding Cruisers exposed by CV when just traveling to a position right after start ?

 

The difference is no one was planning on that to artificially boost their WR.......

 

Your example is an enemy making a mistake. The other is messing with match outcomes before the match has started.......somehow the word "CV" seems to blur that for some here..... 

 

And for you, the word "divisions" actually does this. There is also no difference, when I catch a DD in my Z´s hydro and my divis cruiser blasts him back to port. And ill correct you again: its not called "rigging" or "artificially boosting WR" (w/e that means), its called : TEAMPLAY.

[Captn_Crap]

I love this. You are probably the player who deserved to get deleted by a 899 Div the most.

 

Edit: Whoever participated in this match, send me the replay pls :)

[Uglesett]

Do they need to communicate with someone on your team to do this? Do they need any kind of information from sources outside the game client to do this?

 

No?

 

Then it's not match rigging.

 

Divisions win games.

[Beastofwar]

What a bunch of fine sportmans you are....fair play hah.

 

But ok....in war one is a fool to play fair. So why blame me for using CV then eh ?