Suggestion: why don't "upgrade" tech tree ships?

[anonym_WHY4JO92xZKJ]

I own many tech tree ships with a premium camo, from tier VI to tier X and i do enjoy play with them.

But... They are not "premium" or "special ships" and their basic manteniance cost in each battle is doubled compared to a premium ship of the same tier

So i was thinking, since WG is always looking for some new feature to sell, would be possible to permanently upgrade the status of a normal tech tree ship into a premium or a special access ship, so that its basic manteniance cost is halved?

You could even create a new kind of ships, so that moving captains from one to another will still require retraining, even if the manteniance cost is halved.

This upgrade could be paid with steel, coal, dobulons, or whatever resource we already have.

[DFens_666]

Im against it.

The economy is already way too forgiving, especially after they gave everyone free premium consumables. With a permacamo, you shouldnt be losing credits at all. Just played a Kremlin game (which i dont have any permacamo on), and thats the result:

 

Only used Zulu for extra credits and the other one for -15% service cost. Even without premium acc, it would still give me credits.

 

One thing, which could be interesting, would be to have different types of camos, currently they are just pretty much all the same, with T9-10 giving slightly higher benefits. And why own several permacamos for one ship, if they all give the same benefits?

F.e.:

- 1 camo is  for credit gain, giving extra credits and reduced service costs, but no XP benefits

- another camo for XP

- the balanced normal ones giving a bit for everything (XP/Commander XP/FreeXP)

So you could choose, which you want to go for, and it would actually make sense to have a couple of different camos.

[Panocek]

You already can upgrade tier 10s to semi premium status for mere 5k doubloons. If you're losing credits on midtiers... I'd look for the cause somewhere else than "I can't premiumify tier 6 ship"

[Beastofwar]

Nothing forgiving about income.....maybe when you forgot your clan base has a lot to do with that.....something a lot of solo players may not enjoy, or not at those bonus levels. Plus the obvious premium account and such.

 

You need trillions of credits to buy ships through the highter tiers up to tier X over all nations. Yes some players do that, and not only rush a single tech tree. And some in a fit of mental obliviousness reset these lines on top of that.....

 

 

 

 

[eliastion]

12 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

One thing, which could be interesting, would be to have different types of camos, currently they are just pretty much all the same, with T9-10 giving slightly higher benefits. And why own several permacamos for one ship, if they all give the same benefits?

F.e.:

- 1 camo is  for credit gain, giving extra credits and reduced service costs, but no XP benefits

- another camo for XP

- the balanced normal ones giving a bit for everything (XP/Commander XP/FreeXP)

So you could choose, which you want to go for, and it would actually make sense to have a couple of different camos.

Problem with this is that for most people there would likely be a simple obviously best choice (the max XP camo) or at least a couple - and then you get a situation where:

1. The people who just want the bonuses only ever buy one perma camo anyway, they won't ever need the inferior picks

2. The people who now buy or otherwise acquire more than one camo (because they just need that spaseship or whatever) feel shafted because - more likely than not - they feel like they're getting an inferior product (currently a special camo might be prohibitively expensive but at least you can generally be sure that the bonuses you get wouldn't be any better otherwise)

 

The one option to avoid this would be to detach bonuses from camos they come in (at least for perma camos) so that getting an extra special camo would let you pick any of your perma camo and then any unlocked set of perma camo bonuses for the ship (so, imagine if space camo would be super-XP camo - this might actually encourage "thanks no thanks to stupid stuff" players to purchase the wacky ones because they could still use whatever look they prefer and get the very-special-camo bonuses)

[Captain_Newman]

Any tech tree ship t6 and up you can get a permacamo for, which will make it's economy better, giving it a kind of semi-prem status. I doubt they'll go further than that as it would remove incentive to buy premium time, which I gather they still want to sell.

[DFens_666]

5 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

Nothing forgiving about income.....maybe when you forgot your clan base has a lot to do with that.....something a lot of solo players may not enjoy, or not at those bonus levels. 

 

yep, my bad, the flag is ofc -10%, and my clan bonus gives me a staggering -5% service cost, so 9000 less credits than someone who has no clan bonus

I dont have that many battles played either, i have 13 techtree T10 ships and a couple of freemiums which also cost 7 million to mount all upgrades. Ive sold Roon and FDG once and bought them back. I dont spent money on WG. I have been rather lucky with Premium time for the past 2 years due to SCs (well and CBs which is ofc not luck but guaranteed reward), but i have played less random games in that time than in the 2 years before that.

 

And WG has an interest, that the economy is not too easy, so they can sell premium acc, premium ships or even credits.

[fumtu]

So what the ex tech tree will now be? A full premium? A special one? What if, for some reason, WG decide that ships needs nerfing? Will it bother you that they are nerfing your new "premium" at the same time as they nerfing tech tree ship? There can't be two versions of the same ship, with same name but with different stats.

 

Premium camo is just fine and there is plenty of flags with which you can increase your income. If you can't have profit will all this than you should try to improve your gameplay instead. There is no need for such mechanic. 

[anonym_WHY4JO92xZKJ]

I have premium camo for the Hindemburg, the Yamato and the G.K.

 

But i also own the Thunderer, the Yoshino, the Moskva, the Musashi...

 

Thanks to this game economy, if i want to play a high tier bb, i play with the Thunderer or the Musashi.

If i want to play with an high tier cruiser, i play with Moskva or the Yoshino.

If i need quickly few experience points to finish a daily mission, or i want to gain quickly 50.000 credits, i play a co-op with the Smolensk, and i NEVER loose money with It, even if is a tier X light cruiser.

 

I do understand what you mean, but my suggestion won't broke the economy of the game, cause it is already broken, if is broken at all

I am suggesting this cause i like many tech tree ships and i would enjoy to play them more

[anonym_WHY4JO92xZKJ]

6 minutes ago, fumtu said:

Pemium camo is just fine and there is plenty of flags with which you can increase your income. If you can't have profit will all this than you should try to improve your gameplay instead. There is no need for such mechanic. 

I have no problems of money thanks

I own over 108 ships

I already fully upgraded all the ships i cared for, even if are normal tech tree ships

I have enough free exp and credits to purchase any tier 10 i want, and fully equip them

I own dozens of premiums of tier 4 to 10

I also own dozens of premium camo for normal tech tree ships...

And guess what?

I play more with the Thunderer than the Yamato (premium camo) or the G.K. (premium camo) no matter if i have some day of free premium time or not 

That's cause i don't like that if i do a kraken with the yamato, no matter what flag i equip, or what my clan bonus is, i will gain much less credits than doing the same with a Thunderer.

 

Is cool how a normal suggestion, about something that would not even change the game balance, turns quicly into a personal attack about how i play ^_^

[fumtu]

12 minutes ago, dunbine said:

I have no problems of money thanks

I own over 108 ships

I already fully upgraded all the ships i cared for, even if are normal tech tree ships

I have enough free exp and credits to purchase any tier 10 i want, and fully equip them

I own dozens of premiums of tier 4 to 10

I also own dozens of premium camo for normal tech tree ships...

 

So ... no need for making tech tree ship a premium?

 

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And guess what?

I play more with the Thunderer than the Yamato (premium camo) or the G.K. (premium camo) no matter if i have some day of free premium time or not 

That's cause i don't like that if i do a kraken with the yamato, no matter what flag i equip, or what my clan bonus is, i will gain much less credits than doing the same with a Thunderer.

 

Oh no ... does it really matter that much? I mean just couple of sentence before you said that you don't have issue with credit just to say now that it bothers you that you are not making even more credits? 

 

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Is cool how a normal suggestion, about something that would not even change the game balance, turns quicly into a personal attack about how i play ^_^

 

But it does have impact on the game balance. I mean current T10 premium camo is 5k so making a tech tree ship a premium would cost even more. So now that someone had spent nice amount of money, WG decide to nerf that ship. What should they do with "tech tree premium"? How will person that spent money to convert a tech tree ship to premium react? Basically WG would create a situation where they could not do a right thing and would face backlash no matter what they do. Why would they do that?

 

There is no need for this. It could create more problems while solving absolutely nothing.

[Beastofwar]

22 minutes ago, dunbine said:

I have no problems of money thanks

I own over 108 ships

I already fully upgraded all the ships i cared for, even if are normal tech tree ships

I have enough free exp and credits to purchase any tier 10 i want, and fully equip them

I own dozens of premiums of tier 4 to 10

I also own dozens of premium camo for normal tech tree ships...

And guess what?

I play more with the Thunderer than the Yamato (premium camo) or the G.K. (premium camo) no matter if i have some day of free premium time or not 

That's cause i don't like that if i do a kraken with the yamato, no matter what flag i equip, or what my clan bonus is, i will gain much less credits than doing the same with a Thunderer.

 

Is cool how a normal suggestion, about something that would not even change the game balance, turns quicly into a personal attack about how i play ^_^

 

I do understand you.....i have all T6 and T7 tech tree ships with perma camo just to play Operations alongside premiums. Just for fun, nothing economical about that.

 

It would have advantages being able to make tech tree ships premium ships ( or similar with another designation then gold ) with all features of a premium ship  by player choice. Some tech tree ships are even more advanced then premium ships which makes me wonder why the premium ones have antiquated secondary guns  and the tech tree ones modern turrets for example....i want these modern ones as premiums ofc !

 

But then again many bonusses are already the same for perma camo or premium ship camo, and after the captain skill rework you will need less captains since you can skill them for multiple classes so you won't need that many that it becomes a problem moving them around anymore.

 

And clan port buildings provide after battle repair bonusses too.....you can even create a 1 man clan getting such a building stage 4-5 of 6 failrly quickly for the price of 1 perma camo starting that clan. Many work around options. But such a feature as suggested would be even better, yes.

[Verblonde]

1 hour ago, dunbine said:

So i was thinking, since WG is always looking for some new feature to sell, would be possible to permanently upgrade the status of a normal tech tree ship into a premium or a special access ship, so that its basic manteniance cost is halved?

I've thought for a long time that some way to 'premiumise' a regular ship would be an excellent idea, with a couple of provisos:

• Most important, that the ship can still be balanced if the situation calls for it. For example, there seems to be a widespread thought that MvR needs nerfing; if that comes to pass, turning it into a premium should not make the ship immune to the nerfs; same should apply to whatever future ship we might be talking about.
• In other crucial respects it should act like a premium i.e. captain training, reduced maintenance costs, permaflage, possibly even earning coefficients.
• You have to 'elite' a ship before it can be 'premiumised' (economic reasons - see below).

I don't believe this would have a significant impact on the game's economy: a player can choose to play a regular silver ship, a premium ship, or a 'premiumised' ship; provided everything is sensibly balanced, who cares? For example, you can't play Boise and Helena simultaneously; you aren't going to be suddenly rolling in extra credits if you premiumise Helena - the impact would be about the same as if you just bought/played Boise. If you could premiumise something before you finished grinding whatever comes next, then that might well upset the balance of the economy, if enough people did it...

[Verblonde]

15 minutes ago, fumtu said:

Basically WG would create a situation where they could not do a right thing and would face backlash no matter what they do. Why would they do that?

My feeling is that WG would be in the clear provided they made really clear - from the very start - that 'premiumised' ships could be nerfed.

 

It would be similar then to premaflage: we all know that a ship can be nerfed after you've bought permaflage for it; it's just a case of making a judgement as to whether one will get enough value from the thing (in relation to what you pay for it) before any possible nerf.

 

In a similar vein, there would also be the risk of WG 'pulling a Moskva' on you; again, WG would have to be very clear that this could happen before selling anyone anything of this sort.

[anonym_WHY4JO92xZKJ]

9 minutes ago, fumtu said:

There is no need for this. It could create more problems while solving absolutely nothing.

There is also no need to play a game at all

What you need in this Life are: air, food, health, and a place to stay ;)

 

This suggestion is about upgrading a tech tree, so that its economy will work in the SAME way as the premium ships ALREADY works

 

Is just a very Little change, and is nothing compared to the nerf of the AP ammo, the rework that was made to the IFHE and the cruisers armor.

Not to mention carriers and submarines...

 

You asking how the community would react if tech tree ships are changed?

That's very simple: they will react as usual, complaining both for nerfs and boosts

 

Now let me ask you something:

You think that premium ships, that people purchased with real life money, were never changed???

It Always happened, for example my Graf Spee one year ago peformed quite differently from now even if is a premium ship

 

So, again, this "addition" would NOT change much what we already have:

 

- A broken economy for some kind of ships

 

- A continuos nerf and boost of ships that are already part of the game

 

 

[DFens_666]

30 minutes ago, dunbine said:

That's cause i don't like that if i do a kraken with the yamato, no matter what flag i equip, or what my clan bonus is, i will gain much less credits than doing the same with a Thunderer.

 

uhm... no?

T10 freemiums dont earn more money than techtree ships. They only have a 50% bonus on service Cost. So you pretty much gain (aka not spent) 45k credits by playing Thunderer compared to Yamato, if you would do the same stuff with either ship.

The reason to not play a ship because it supposedly earns less credits is a new one tho, didnt hear that one before   If you dont like playing Thunderer, then sell it?

[fumtu]

3 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

It would be similar then to premaflage

 

So why not just asking additional bonus on perma camo?

 

1 minute ago, dunbine said:

There is also no need to play a game at all

What you need in this Life are: air, food, health, and a place to stay ;)

 

That is deep.

 

1 minute ago, dunbine said:

This suggestion is about upgrading a tech tree, so that its economy will work in the SAME way as the premium ships ALREADY works

 

But than ... what would be a point of premiums if they are working the same?

 

1 minute ago, dunbine said:

It Always happened, for example my Graf Spee one year ago peformed quite differently from now even if is a premium ship

 

Really? Can you please tell me how is Graf Spee performing quite differently now than one year ago? Please?

[anonym_WHY4JO92xZKJ]

1 minute ago, DFens_666 said:

 

uhm... no?

T10 freemiums dont earn more money than techtree ships. They only have a 50% bonus on service Cost. So you pretty much gain (aka not spent) 45k credits by playing Thunderer compared to Yamato, if you would do the same stuff with either ship.

The reason to not play a ship because it supposedly earns less credits is a new one tho, didnt hear that one before   If you dont like playing Thunderer, then sell it?

You did not even readed right?

Never said i don't like to play the Thunderer

I Just said that i would like my ships to have the SAME economy rules

 

I do not like the fact that the Thunderer will make +45.000 credits for each game, compared to the Yamato or the G.K. even if they all have the same bonuses from camo, flags, clan and account

 

And since wg already sells premium camo, flags, upgrades, accounts and ships, why don't sell the possibility to permanently change this -45.000 service cost that i must pay if i use the Yamato or the G.K. instead of the Thunderer

 

Seriously... I can't belive that topics get so bad for simple suggestions.

 

If any mod is reading, please delete this topic, i had enough

[anonym_WHY4JO92xZKJ]

Just now, fumtu said:

Can you please tell me how is Graf Spee performing quite differently now than one year ago? Please?

Nope

 

Cause you obviously don't even know what we are talking about

 

You can find the changes made to the armor of ALL THE CRUISERS in the game, on the patch notes of the past year

 

Have fun in Reading

[fumtu]

Just now, dunbine said:

Nope

 

Cause you obviously don't even know what we are talking about

 

You can find the changes made to the armor of ALL THE CRUISERS in the game, on the patch notes of the past year

 

Have fun in Reading

 

Yes I know all about changes but you didn't tell me how Graf Spee is performing quite differently now than one year ago.

[1MajorKoenig]

2 hours ago, dunbine said:

I own many tech tree ships with a premium camo, from tier VI to tier X and i do enjoy play with them.

But... They are not "premium" or "special ships" and their basic manteniance cost in each battle is doubled compared to a premium ship of the same tier

So i was thinking, since WG is always looking for some new feature to sell, would be possible to permanently upgrade the status of a normal tech tree ship into a premium or a special access ship, so that its basic manteniance cost is halved?

You could even create a new kind of ships, so that moving captains from one to another will still require retraining, even if the manteniance cost is halved.

This upgrade could be paid with steel, coal, dobulons, or whatever resource we already have.

Just for saving some credits...? I didn’t think Credits would ever be an issue in this game. 
 

Although it would be nice if we would be able to buy different perma camos giving different bonus sets. Eg one that gives an extra boost to captains XP or something like that

[ForlornSailor]

16 minutes ago, dunbine said:

And since wg already sells premium camo, flags, upgrades, accounts and ships, why don't sell the possibility to permanently change this -45.000 service cost that i must pay if i use the Yamato or the G.K. instead of the Thunderer

 

Seriously... I can't belive that topics get so bad for simple suggestions.

 

Because economy is already too easy on people and that actually did change over the years. You would find more support here if you were to ask for raising the service costs of premium/freemium/special/etc ships. Results is the same what you want - both create the same amount of credits ^^

[ForlornSailor]

Just now, 1MajorKoenig said:

Although it would be nice if we would be able to buy different perma camos giving different bonus sets. Eg one that gives an extra boost to captains XP or something like that

 

Been asking that for years and I really dont understand why WG isnt going there. Would make perfect sense. On some ships like DoY or Bismarck I own several perma camos and they all do.. the same. great. Im excited.

[anonym_WHY4JO92xZKJ]

12 minutes ago, fumtu said:

 

Yes I know all about changes but you didn't tell me how Graf Spee is performing quite differently now than one year ago.

So you know what changes were made but you don't understand how this changes affected the game?

 

I understand, but sorry, i have no time to teach you the basics of math

[fumtu]

2 minutes ago, dunbine said:

So you know what changes were made but you don't understand how this changes affected the game?

 

I understand them completely, just want to check do you understand those changes.

 

2 minutes ago, dunbine said:

I understand, but sorry, i have no time to teach you the basics of math

 

Thank you but there is no need for you to teach me a math. I already learned much more than just basics but I would be glad to help you if you don't understand it.