Florida disappointment

[Ragnarox]

Well after playing with Massa for a while which is really good ship with good armor and pretty bad accuracy and slow speed, I bought Georgia which is really great ship with good armor and good accuracy and great speed. I enjoyed Georgia a lot. And then I wanted to buy Florida with that good looking gold camo, but I am pretty much disappointed with it. Armor is such garbage, low hit points and good accuracy of guns but with pretty much crappy dmg (950 dmg often). I just have a feeling that this ship need something more, more hitpoints would be suffice (at least 60k). It just reminds me of Alaska, that ship also has some crap random 950 dmg hits. Florida does not feel like real BB to me. if I knew that I wouldn't bother to buy her. 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

4 minutes ago, Ragnarox said:

Well after playing with Massa for a while which is really good ship with good armor and pretty bad accuracy and slow speed, I bought Georgia which is really great ship with good armor and good accuracy and great speed. I enjoyed Georgia a lot. And then I wanted to buy Florida with that good looking gold camo, but I am pretty much disappointed with it. Armor is such garbage, low hit points and good accuracy of guns but with pretty much crappy dmg (950 dmg often). I just have a feeling that this ship need something more, more hitpoints would be suffice (at least 60k). It just reminds me of Alaska, that ship also has some crap random 950 dmg hits. Florida does not feel like real BB to me. if I knew that I wouldn't bother to buy her. 

I always inform(ed) myself outside of the game, ship reviews on youtube are a great source. Mrs. Mouse has good reviews too. I am no longer spending money on the game though, but I still watch the reviews to check what I'm up against.

[Beastofwar]

In Narai i could get it to do over 300K damage failry consistently, ~40k from the secondaries and ~260k main guns.  That is related to your Randoms mode  issue in the fact that it there is nothing wrong with the damage output compared to other T7 BB.  It is in the company of a few select T7 BB that can also do it. The T7 California does not even come close while it has the same size guns. It is the positioning of the guns also.

 

So you probably need to employ other tactics in Randoms then you have done now  to make it do damage. Shooting T7+ bows/decks at long range with 356 mm won't cut it....and the shells have pretty low fire chance.....

 

You probably are supposed to AP whack Cruisers showing a little too much  broadside angle with it,. or close range broadside BB and not distant BB facing you bow on.

 

356 mm is still pretty powerful as anti-Cruiser weapon....Tier X Supercruisers get merely 305-310 mm....and that is enough to blow up stuff with AP too, at tier X !

 

 

[ColonelPete]

11 minutes ago, Ragnarox said:

Well after playing with Massa for a while which is really good ship with good armor and pretty bad accuracy and slow speed, I bought Georgia which is really great ship with good armor and good accuracy and great speed. I enjoyed Georgia a lot. And then I wanted to buy Florida with that good looking gold camo, but I am pretty much disappointed with it. Armor is such garbage, low hit points and good accuracy of guns but with pretty much crappy dmg (950 dmg often). I just have a feeling that this ship need something more, more hitpoints would be suffice (at least 60k). It just reminds me of Alaska, that ship also has some crap random 950 dmg hits. Florida does not feel like real BB to me. if I knew that I wouldn't bother to buy her. 

Which was known beforehand.

She should be played like a cruiser.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

38 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Which was known beforehand.

She should be played like a cruiser.

 

I'd rather have a cruiser that is played like a BB...

[peoplescavalry]

For the first couple of games I had my dedicated BB skipper sailing her , with lacklustre results. I then changed the captain to my CA expert and played her as a heavy cruiser with far better results (14 games 72% WR).Far better players than me have labelled her as a tier 9 CA lurking at tier 7. A lovely lady.

[ColonelPete]

5 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

I'd rather have a cruiser that is played like a BB...

We will see how she performs.

Crysantos and Conway performed decently in her.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

1 minute ago, ColonelPete said:

We will see how she performs.

Crysantos and Conway performed decently in her.

 

Fortunately you won't see me on her, as I would perform quite indecently.

[rage1750]

2 hours ago, Beastofwar said:

In Narai i could get it to do over 300K damage failry consistently, ~40k from the secondaries and ~260k main guns. 

 

With hidden stats you could say you got 500K damage from ramming alone.

 

At least OP has that shiney gold camo; priorities.  

[Beastofwar]

36 minutes ago, rage1750 said:

 

With hidden stats you could say you got 500K damage from ramming alone.

 

At least OP has that shiney gold camo; priorities.  

 

Operations have no stats......

 

But you can trust me after having played all of them for years almost every day i can ambush bots - that always do the same thing over and over again as they are scripted -  in ways you never thought or heard of.

 

Yeah 300 k.....Florida is quite powerful in Ops with it's 8 guns upfront and 12 broadside as it can be played extremely agressive taking the point, something Cruiser still have to be careful with doing......so others don't kill the bots before you do.....that is the fate of the turtle crawling California.

 

Having said that it becomes obvious i play it like a heavy armoured Cruiser....being able to do what real Cruisers can not ( as agressively ) In PvP you have the mass wall of enemies focussing on all that pops into view though.....got to be more careful there with a BB's detection range.

[Miscommunication]

3 hours ago, Beastofwar said:

In Narai i could get it to do over 300K damage failry consistently, ~40k from the secondaries and ~260k main guns.  That is related to your Randoms mode  issue in the fact that it there is nothing wrong with the damage output compared to other T7 BB.  It is in the company of a few select T7 BB that can also do it. The T7 California does not even come close while it has the same size guns. It is the positioning of the guns also.

 

So you probably need to employ other tactics in Randoms then you have done now  to make it do damage. Shooting T7+ bows/decks at long range with 356 mm won't cut it....and the shells have pretty low fire chance.....

 

You probably are supposed to AP whack Cruisers showing a little too much  broadside angle with it,. or close range broadside BB and not distant BB facing you bow on.

 

356 mm is still pretty powerful as anti-Cruiser weapon....Tier X Supercruisers get merely 305-310 mm....and that is enough to blow up stuff with AP too, at tier X !

 

 

I don't like the way you're always trying to back this ship up by saying "It's good in Narai". Hell, you're playing against bots man! There are much better ships for Narai as well (Scharnhorst/Atlanta for example) and most of the enemy ships you face in Narai are much lower tier (I believe the only T7 BB in Narai is the Colarado at the end, and of course the T9 Missouri which you can easily outplay).

 

In random battles you can face T9s in this ship (manned by actual players), and especially given the current T7 matchmaking (which more often than not pits you against higher tiers), it's just not a great experience.

 

I was in truth, very disappointed with this ship. I love the Massa, the Georgia and to a lesser extent the NC. I was expecting a fairly tanky T7 BB with low calibre but accurate guns that could be a little frustrating but could punish missplaying ships effectively. However, I've bought a T7 premium with a low HP pool, little to no armor and a very very prominent citadel (nearly got devastated by a Kongo at fairly long range yesterday as I wasn't paying attention) and guns that are annoyingly inconsistent and near enough ineffective against higher tier angled battleships.

 

It encourages a sniping Slava-like playstyle where you have to hold your fire (due to the extremely long reload) for ages in order to snap shots off at enemies who make mistakes. It's useless at close range as it's nearly impossible to angle in it, and the low HP means you melt uncomfortably quickly under concentrated fire. And against enemy high-tier BBs that know how to angle, well you've got a bit of an issues there especially as you don't have the HP to trade.

 

It doesn't measn I've done badly in this ship (5 games and only 1 top tier battle in randoms, a decent av damage and win rate) it's just not a fun ship to play. Scharnhorst still by far my pick of the T7 BBs.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

Just now, Drasnighta said:

I don't like the way you're always trying to back this ship up by saying "It's good in Narai". Hell, you're playing against bots man! There are much better ships for Narai as well (Scharnhorst/Atlanta for example) and most of the enemy ships you face in Narai are much lower tier (I believe the only T7 BB in Narai is the Colarado at the end, and of course the T9 Missouri which you can easily outplay).

 

In random battles you can face T9s in this ship (manned by actual players), and especially given the current T7 matchmaking (which more often than not pits you against higher tiers), it's just not a great experience.

 

I was in truth, very disappointed with this ship. I love the Massa, the Georgia and to a lesser extent the NC. I was expecting a fairly tanky T7 BB with low calibre but accurate guns that could be a little frustrating but could punish missplaying ships effectively. However, I've bought a T7 premium with a low HP pool, little to no armor and a very very prominent citadel (nearly got devastated by a Kongo at fairly long range yesterday as I wasn't paying attention) and guns that are annoyingly inconsistent and near enough ineffective against higher tier angled battleships.

 

It encourages a sniping Slava-like playstyle where you have to hold your fire (due to the extremely long reload) for ages in order to snap shots off at enemies who make mistakes. It's useless at close range as it's nearly impossible to angle in it, and the low HP means you melt uncomfortably quickly under concentrated fire. And against enemy high-tier BBs that know how to angle, well you've got a bit of an issues there especially as you don't have the HP to trade.

 

It's just not a fun ship to play. Scharnhorst still by far my pick of the T7 BBs.

 

Hmm... the lower tier ships in Ops sometimes surprise you...

[Miscommunication]

1 minute ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

Hmm... the lower tier ships in Ops sometimes surprise you...

It's the annoying Clemson/Nicholas that's defending the CV that always gets me

[DFens_666]

2 hours ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

I'd rather have a cruiser that is played like a BB...

 

I think BBs that play like Cruisers are more fun - hence why i like Baguette BBs

[Karasu_Browarszky]

1 minute ago, DFens_666 said:

 

I think BBs that play like Cruisers are more fun - hence why i like Baguette BBs

 

Well, I'd say this depends on the definition. Yes, a BB with a fast rudder and fast reload can be quite hilarious.

[Panocek]

2 hours ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

I'd rather have a cruiser that is played like a BB...

Unless "cruiser that plays like a BB" have 32mm or thicker plating all around, you're usually better off with "BB that plays like a cruiser"... at least as long as guns are up to BB standards

[Karasu_Browarszky]

1 minute ago, Panocek said:

Unless "cruiser that plays like a BB" have 32mm or thicker plating all around, you're usually better off with "BB that plays like a cruiser"... at least as long as guns are up to BB standards

 

Correct, I'm nearly always thinking about armour protection.

[Beastofwar]

36 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

 

In random battles you can face T9s in this ship (manned by actual players), and especially given the current T7 matchmaking (which more often than not pits you against higher tiers), it's just not a great experience.

 

 

That is exactly why in PvP you target high tier Cruisers with it......305-310 mm Supercruisers do that too........and you have 356/50 caliber guns so in theory you can fight in tier X.

 

I only brought Narai up as a comparison between other T7 BB's damage. These really do not outperform Florida. And when in PvP, what do you target with Scharnhorst, hmmm ? High tier BB ?? Thought not...it is a cruiser killer also.

[Wulf_Ace]

3 hours ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

I'd rather have a cruiser that is played like a BB...

alaska? :)

[Beastofwar]

2 minutes ago, Wulf_Ace said:

alaska? :)

 

Puerto Rico ?

[Alfa_Tau]

3 hours ago, Ragnarox said:

Well after playing with Massa for a while which is really good ship with good armor and pretty bad accuracy and slow speed, I bought Georgia which is really great ship with good armor and good accuracy and great speed. I enjoyed Georgia a lot. And then I wanted to buy Florida with that good looking gold camo, but I am pretty much disappointed with it. Armor is such garbage, low hit points and good accuracy of guns but with pretty much crappy dmg (950 dmg often). I just have a feeling that this ship need something more, more hitpoints would be suffice (at least 60k). It just reminds me of Alaska, that ship also has some crap random 950 dmg hits. Florida does not feel like real BB to me. if I knew that I wouldn't bother to buy her. 

Perhaps it would be better to wait a little to see how the new ship performs before buying it...

[Miscommunication_dept]

44 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Unless "cruiser that plays like a BB" have 32mm or thicker plating all around, you're usually better off with "BB that plays like a cruiser"... at least as long as guns are up to BB standards

The Bourgogne feels like that. 
I think I spend far too much time firing HE though!

[Miscommunication]

25 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

 

That is exactly why in PvP you target high tier Cruisers with it......305-310 mm Supercruisers do that too........and you have 356/50 caliber guns so in theory you can fight in tier X.

 

I only brought Narai up as a comparison between other T7 BB's damage. These really do not outperform Florida. And when in PvP, what do you target with Scharnhorst, hmmm ? High tier BB ?? Thought not...it is a cruiser killer also.

Scharnhorst has more HP (admittedly not much more mind), guns that fire over 13 seconds faster, actual armor that can tank stuff, no vunerable citadel and is much faster and more maneuverable.

 

And it has torpedoes and decent secondaries for close-range encounters. I know which BB I'll be taking to Narai.

[Ragnarox]

28 minutes ago, Alfa_Tau said:

Perhaps it would be better to wait a little to see how the new ship performs before buying it...

yea I know but camo was selling point for that ship, I wouldn't mind if they revert the HP nerf so it has 61k hp. It sure needs it. I play sniper with it dealing 950 dmg often with it, well thats how it goes. 

[Ragnarox]

I give up, this is crap BB, its like pepsicola of BB's, everyone citadels me from every angle, it has unreliable guns doing no dmg or 950 dmg hits, cant citadel anyone except tier 6,7 cruisers. Waste of my money. Ty WG for this crap.

 

Someone said you must play it like Alaska  battlecruiser, I am sorry but this is an insult to Alaska cause Alaska is way better, it can actually tank stuff and fires reliable hits with better reload.