Perhaps I'm just thick as a brick with eyes.

[Butterdoll]

I just saw this.

 

And, oh boy , i wasn't expecting this.

Finally a Kansas review.

What draw me to this line in the first place was what general consensus say it's bad. According to my experience it's not bad.

23 knots speed

tight turning circle

workable or fine rudder .

Normally the keep you alive package stripped of yolo devices.

along the way i saw a couple of red flags.

40 sec. reload

32 mm all over the place.

perhaps what i dreaded the most was 1.7 sigma

Not the usual heal

But then i started to rationalize.

OK, 40 sec. reload will drop with AR and perhaps with Halsey.

32 mm but with damage saturation and flags and modules perhaps it could work.

 

but then... WTFF??

turns out.

40 second reload + 32 mm all around + 1.5 sigma (WTFFF????)  + 406s pen worse than Colorado (WAT?) 

But it's all but a Pommern (which is trash, IMO)

Fast, with torp and Secondaries, Kansas doesn't have any of this but doesn't have reliable guns either

In all honesty, this is not a rant.

I just can't see what's the point of this ship, of this line.

why WG did such ships?

why would i want to play them?

It's because of number of barrels? take one turret off, put the sigma at 1.8 or 1.9 with decent reload time.

at least that.

what a waste.

 

[_Thor_Odinson_]

Point of this line?

Selling tokens for dubloons and either...encouraging...people to buy dubloons for that, or draining existing stockpiles of dubloons to encourage people to buy dubloons for the next "early access, buy TT ships now for real money, so you don't have to grind them for free later" event.

 

Same old, same old.

 

I will of course be getting them, for free tho, but i'm not gonna waste money on a line that offers nothing except pain (at the tiers 8-10).

[Beastofwar]

Pommern is not trash.....it is meant for close range combat - killing Tirpitzes just outside their torpedo range - and a terrifying opponent with that amount of gun barrels at such ranges. It can only frustrate players that want the ship to perform as they demand it to perform......but is does not long range snipe......

 

Is that the case here also ?

[Bortasqu]

Don't compare the master race DD Pommern to this dead on arrival tech tree line.

 

I'm gonna expect buffs to this line in the near future, just like they did to the Colorado.

[GulvkluderGuld]

1 hour ago, Butterdoll said:

1.5 sigma (WTFFF????)  

.....

It's because of number of barrels? take one turret off, put the sigma at 1.8 or 1.9 with decent reload time.

Well....Alsace has 1,6 sigma....at tier 9! (also 12 barrels and horrible turret angles)

I've always considered it at steaming pile of trash, but the thing has attracted quite a following here on the forum

Also plenty of people enjoy other big unreliable shotguns like the Fuso and the Amagi while hating laser accurate ships like Nagato and NC.

 

Just like the Slava, WG caters to all player types.

 

 

[Aragathor]

First a comparison between Kansas and Massachusetts:

 

Reload - Massa 30s vs. Kansas 40s.

Sigma - Massa 1,7 vs. Kansas 1,5

AP DPM - Massa 235,800 vs. Kansas 212,400

 

Massa gets fast reloading heals, accurate secondaries, speed, decent armor. Seriously WG?

 

2 hours ago, GulvkluderGuld said:

I've always considered it at steaming pile of trash

Event though the secondaries on the Alsace were nerfed by the IFHE changes, it is still a fun ship. It also has a higher AP DPM than Minnesota.

And you can reposition easily thanks to the speed boost. So the light armor is less of an issue when the enemy pushes your side.

[Srle_Vigilante]

Ah yes comparing the best yolo rusher to a line that power crept it self on its own release day. 

 

But honestly what else did you expect from oversized dreadnought designs at tier 8+? I mean the Colorado is already bad enough when it has to fight new designs and meta at tier 7. I cant imagine these things every being a good idea other then hurr durr excuse to bring more 457mm spam to tier 10, must make Germany the only nation without them. 

[Panocek]

As shotguns like the Fuso or Lyon show, with enough barrels you can overcome any defficiencies with accuracy, be it built in sigma or user aiming error

 

Also whole "DPM" measure increasingly I find to be a moot point, unless there is massive difference between ships in question. With BBs you're usually waiting for broadsides to show up unless you can overmatch stuff and/or slinging HE around.

 

Broadside weight IMO plays higher factor than DPM coming from fast reload of weak shells - after all, it takes one glimpse to remove considerable chunk of hp with one BB salvo, while with "muh dpm" you need to work someone arse off for some time without that someone arse going into cover.

[Beastofwar]

There are no "steaming piles of trash" in the whole game. Only players that fail to make ships work because they don't understand what tactics they must use with the tuning it got from WG. Not what tactics the player uses and demand the ship to be suited for it. Painfully obvious when you see notorius streamers complain.

 

There are several unbalanced overpowered ships that attract "competitive" players though. But that is not the standard all is to be measured by....unless you only reason from the objective as a "competitive" player. But this game has many more types of players.

 

Players that enjoy ships as they are and enjoy the challenge finding ways to make them work. Some of LWM review "Mehbotes" are my absolute favorites !

 

 

[GulvkluderGuld]

6 hours ago, Aragathor said:

Event though the secondaries on the Alsace were nerfed by the IFHE changes, it is still a fun ship. It also has a higher AP DPM than Minnesota.

And you can reposition easily thanks to the speed boost. So the light armor is less of an issue when the enemy pushes your side.

Oh I'm not denying the overall package looks better than the new US BBs, but me and those inconsistent guns just dont get along.

You just have forget the thing has AP, because it will literally and frequently miss flat broadsides even at 4 km....

 

[22cm]

1 hour ago, Srle_Vigilante said:

 a line that power crept it self on its own release day

[DFens_666]

Kansas looks like a New Mex, that ate a Colorado for lunch

 

Point of this line?

So they can say "not every BB line is OP hurrdurr" while releasing broken Italian BBs next with SAP and fuelsmoke

[Asakka]

11 hours ago, Butterdoll said:

 a Pommern (which is trash, IMO)

[Zieten]

9 hours ago, GulvkluderGuld said:

Well....Alsace has 1,6 sigma....at tier 9! (also 12 barrels and horrible turret angles)

I've always considered it at steaming pile of trash, but the thing has attracted quite a following here on the forum

Also plenty of people enjoy other big unreliable shotguns like the Fuso and the Amagi while hating laser accurate ships like Nagato and NC.

 

 

Well..you know, the worse your aim is the better a low Sigma helps you with actually hitting stuff

[El2aZeR]

10 hours ago, Beastofwar said:

Is that the case here also ?

 

Imagine thinking that a ship going 23kn can be a brawler.

[Uglesett]

They seem about as much fun to play as "Oil Tanker Simulator 2020", but I guess I'll try the Kansas out if I end up finishing the directives.

[Beastofwar]

Low accuracy forces you to fight CLOSER.

 

I know this word is unclean in the campers bible......but there it is.

 

 

[ollonborre]

4 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

Low accuracy forces you to fight CLOSER.

 

I know this word is unclean in the campers bible......but there it is.

 

 

Good luck getting close unmolested with glacial speed, huge size and poor armour.

 

Sure you can, but that would most likely be rare rather than normal.

[Panocek]

9 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

Low accuracy forces you to fight CLOSER.

 

I know this word is unclean in the campers bible......but there it is.

 

 

Low accuracy rewards those who can't aim, especially if you can back it up with 12gun+ broadside.

[Exocet6951]

2 hours ago, Beastofwar said:

Only players that fail to make ships work because they don't understand what tactics they must use with the tuning it got from WG

 

Such vindication for "gems" like the Hawkins and Genova

 

All those ships aren't terrible, it's just tens of thousands of people who don't understand how to use these mighty ships full of potential.

 

 

PS: 23 knot BBs with 32mm plating, long reload times and terrible accuracy at T8 are terrible. Literally no purpose other than XP pinata for 12 enemies, even if in a T6 match.

[22cm]

46 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Imagine thinking that a ship going 23kn can be a brawler.

It can outrun Colorado and New Mexico, and i think the premiums WV, Arizona and California... 

[Beastofwar]

1 hour ago, ollonborre said:

Good luck getting close unmolested with glacial speed, huge size and poor armour.

 

Sure you can, but that would most likely be rare rather than normal.

 

Still that is what low accuracy ships do.....

 

As i said we as a community should ask WG with each new ship to include a note what WG envisioned when they tuned it's stats. They now partly do that with advising a build, but that is not enough.

 

Then we don't have  to endure listening to CC giving bad ( or rather only extreme competitive biased ) advices.

[Uglesett]

4 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

As i said we as a community should ask WG with each new ship to include a note what WG envisioned when they tuned it's stats.

"What WG envisioned" - that sweet whale cash, mostly.

 

I think it's pretty clearly demonstrated by now that the devs don't really know the game well enough to "envision" a given ship's role in the meta. These ones look most likely to end up filling that important port queen role.

[PeteEarthling]

13 hours ago, Butterdoll said:

I just can't see what's the point of this ship, of this line.

why WG did such ships?

To demonstrate the well deserved superiority of glorious soviet BB, comrade. 

[RenamedUser_92906789]

I gor Arizona rusting in my port since like forever. Nuff said.