This tier 6 dd left untouched for way too long.

[ARE_YOU_HUMAN]

That turret traverse needs some buffing.

[Beastofwar]

Yes some DD have turret rotation times that cannot be explained in any way.

 

It obviously is meant to force them to avoid caps as that would mean fighting with DD with turrets that turn 360 degrees in a few seconds. And usually have much higher ROF to boot.

[Jethro_Grey]

That's a balancing factor.

Those gun boat DDs are supposed to be played at range.

 

If you buff their turret traverse, they would excel at any range in gunfights.

[Panocek]

17 minutes ago, Eagle_Six_TR said:

That turret traverse needs some buffing.

You can always play OG Gnevny, which had turret traverse buffed some time ago...

 

you're saying you can't stealth torp with that one? Then just use captain skills and upgrades to improve torpedo range like you do with slow turrets in Anshan... oh wait

[Miscommunication_dept]

Gremy is worse. 36 second  reload on a DD!!

 

Kremlin laughs at both ships!

[Spartan_93]

1 hour ago, Jethro_Grey said:

That's a balancing factor.

Those gun boat DDs are supposed to be played at range.

 

If you buff their turret traverse, they would excel at any range in gunfights.

• Anshan: 30s/180°
• Gremyashchy: 36s/180°
• Gnevny: 18,56s/180°

It is hard (or at least uncomfortable) to play Gremyaschy and Anshan as gunboat, because the enemy will shot at you if you are spotted

=> you have to dodge incoming fire to avoid damage

=> your turrets can not follow because of low turnspeed

=> you have to choose:

• if you dodge, you lose your gun dpm
• if you keep your dpm up, you will take hits and lose your hitpoints

 

A buff of turret traverse speed to 7,5°/s (24s/180°) would help Gremyashchy and Anshan a lot to play as active gun boat.

[Miscommunication_dept]

Gremyashcy is a beast in spite of the terrible traverse.

No buff needed, jus play to its strengths.

[Panocek]

16 minutes ago, Spartan_93 said:

• Anshan: 30s/180°
• Gremyashchy: 36s/180°
• Gnevny: 18,56s/180°

It is hard (or at least uncomfortable) to play Gremyaschy and Anshan as gunboat, because the enemy will shot at you if you are spotted

=> you have to dodge incoming fire to avoid damage

=> your turrets can not follow because of low turnspeed

=> you have to choose:

• if you dodge, you lose your gun dpm
• if you keep your dpm up, you will take hits and lose your hitpoints

 

A buff of turret traverse speed to 7,5°/s (24s/180°) would help Gremyashchy and Anshan a lot to play as active gun boat.

Or make use of EM and turret speed upgrade, which as Fushun shows, makes turrets very much usable. Heck, Ovechkin is custom crafted for Grem and Leningrad with his improved EM and SE.

[ARE_YOU_HUMAN]

This turret traverse means that you can't use her to train captains because silver main line don't have this turret traverse issue.

[Bear__Necessities]

Anshan is a very good DD and doesn’t need anything buffed.

[Ubertron_X]

6 minutes ago, gopher31 said:

Gremyashcy is a beast in spite of the terrible traverse.

No buff needed, jus play to its strengths.

Just use a captain with buffed turret traverse? Gremy + Ovechkin = 22.5s. Additional points if you also use him on Leningrad (27.7 => 18.9).

 

And even a normal captain with EM will bring Anshan to 21.2s.

 

 

 

 

[ARE_YOU_HUMAN]

10 minutes ago, Bear__Necessities said:

Anshan is a very good DD and doesn’t need anything buffed.

Yeah, this guy again. Everything is okay for you isn't it? Even the broken CV's?

Serious question tho. Is it possible to block you? Because I don't want to see you commenting on my topics.

[Panocek]

2 minutes ago, Eagle_Six_TR said:

This turret traverse means that you can't use her to train captains because silver main line don't have this turret traverse issue.

Which is working as intended, to bait players into thinking they can just reuse old captains on their shiny premiums. Bonus points for "making premium ships different than silver line" policy being preserved

[ARE_YOU_HUMAN]

3 minutes ago, Eagle_Six_TR said:

Yeah, this guy again. Everything is okay for isn't it? Even the broken CV's?

Serious question tho. Is it possible to block you? Because I don't want to see you commenting on my topics.

Finally found a way to block him lmaoooo.

 

[Bortasqu]

*Funny Sims noises*

[Spartan_93]

Of course you can use EM (Ovechkin) + modul, but if that is enough, maybe we should nerf Gnevny back to the old values?

Well, because Gnevny can use both of them, too. And that would be overpowerd, because Gnevny as gunboat could fight at all ranges.

[ARE_YOU_HUMAN]

29 minutes ago, Spartan_93 said:

• Anshan: 30s/180°
• Gremyashchy: 36s/180°
• Gnevny: 18,56s/180°

It is hard (or at least uncomfortable) to play Gremyaschy and Anshan as gunboat, because the enemy will shot at you if you are spotted

=> you have to dodge incoming fire to avoid damage

=> your turrets can not follow because of low turnspeed

=> you have to choose:

• if you dodge, you lose your gun dpm
• if you keep your dpm up, you will take hits and lose your hitpoints

 

A buff of turret traverse speed to 7,5°/s (24s/180°) would help Gremyashchy and Anshan a lot to play as active gun boat.

Thank you for backing me up.

[Bear__Necessities]

1 minute ago, Eagle_Six_TR said:

Yeah, this guy again. Everything is okay for isn't it? Even the broken CV's?

Serious question tho. Is it possible to block you? Because I don't want to see you commenting on my topics.

So this post indicates you’re not even willing to listen to any opinion other than your own. Why even bother posting a thread up.

 

I mean. It’s not like I play a lot of DD’s currently... and as for CV’s. EVERY DD has that issue.

 

Anshan has good DPS. It’s got good speed. It’s got USN smoke, so lasts a long time to lay down fire. It has decent range torps that do decent damage and unlike the other Pan Asian DD’s (except Lo Yang) they are not deep water so can hit any target.

 

So. It needS a little bit of balance and that is in the gun traverse. You can negate that by preparing the side you wan to to fire on in advance.

 

Now. If you can’t take a plainly worded breakdown from a player who also has the ship and does well in it.

 

Then the forum frankly isn’t for you.

 

 

[invicta2012]

2 minutes ago, Bear__Necessities said:

Anshan is a very good DD and doesn’t need anything buffed.

Yup. Torpedoes which hit all ship classes (unlike Fushun) and which have decent range (unlike Gnevny). Guns are good, have excellent AP pen. The ship has good speed, decent health pool, the trade is the turret traverse.

 

8 minutes ago, Eagle_Six_TR said:

This turret traverse means that you can't use her to train captains because silver main line don't have this turret traverse issue.

Anshan came out long before the PA DD line, so she's a bit of an outlier - which is saying something for a line as AlL oVer tHe PLaCe as the PA DDs.

 

[Bear__Necessities]

Just now, invicta2012 said:

Yup. Torpedoes which hit all ship classes (unlike Fushun) and which have decent range (unlike Gnevny). Guns are good, have excellent AP pen. The ship has good speed, decent health pool, the trade is the turret traverse.

 

Anshan came out long before the PA DD line, so she's a bit of an outlier - which is saying something for a line as AlL oVer tHe PLaCe as the PA DDs.

 

I broke down all aspects of it including how to negate the traverse. However he’s clearly a chump who likes his own echo chamber. You can lead a horse to water and all that...

[invicta2012]

2 minutes ago, Bear__Necessities said:

I broke down all aspects of it including how to negate the traverse. However he’s clearly a chump who likes his own echo chamber.

I was writing that when you posted. I was also going to add that the recent module changes have helped, too- pretty sure I have Main Battery Mod2 on mine.  It's a good ship - the only reason I don't play it too often is because I think Aigle does things generally a little better. 

 

 

[159Hunter]

16 minutes ago, Eagle_Six_TR said:

Yeah, this guy again. Everything is okay for you isn't it? Even the broken CV's?

Serious question tho. Is it possible to block you? Because I don't want to see you commenting on my topics.

Yes dude, you've found a CV apologist in @Bear__Necessities. (note the sarcasm, and if you don't believe me: go read what he actually posted on CVs)

[BruceRKF]

14 minutes ago, Bear__Necessities said:

It’s got USN smoke, so lasts a long time to lay down fire.

Agree with most of the things you said, but this is simply not true. It has the bog-standard t6 smoke (same as Japanese, for example). This, combined with the worse concealment actually makes Anshan worse than Fushun, the only (non-economical) advantage being that your torpedoes can hit DDs.

[Bear__Necessities]

4 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

I was writing that when you posted. I was also going to add that the recent module changes have helped, too- pretty sure I have Main Battery Mod2 on mine.  It's a good ship - the only reason I don't play it too often is because I think Aigle does things generally a little better. 

 

 

True. The introduction of the new modules can be added. I can’t remember, do any of the pan Asian special captains offer any buffs? Not at home to check.

[Bear__Necessities]

3 minutes ago, BruceRKF said:

Agree with most of the things you said, but this is simply not true. It has the bog-standard t6 smoke (same as Japanese, for example). This, combined with the worse concealmnt actually make Anshan worse than Fushun, the only (non-economical) advantage being that your torpedoes can hit DDs.

Ahhh yes, you’re right about the smoke. I was think Lo-Yang in my mind. The smoke still isn’t that bad for Anshan. The concelement is ok. Fairly competitive for a DD. Only against T8’s is it an issue. It’s it’s like that for nearly all T6 DD’s.