the Fletcher or the Kitakaze ??

[goodnames_gone]

hi guys ... i love the dd's guns plus the torps for sure but really i love to use them guns more  :D  ..i love to use them as mini cruiser 

which one to get  the Fletcher or the Kitakaze ??

the Fletcher so famous no need to talk about it ..i love her look ..i love the American design and her style ..but lately i see every one talking about the Fletcher has less gun power not like before and become torpo boat no more  ,,still good great ship but her duty only at the game torps only 

from the other hand the Kitakaze ..who can not say any thing worng about it :) ..a beast but less maneuver then the Fletcher but still a beast cuz her rate fire ..i hate the ship looks and style but the game not depend on that  ...the Kitakaze is great ship too 

thats why i get the point of confusion which one i get first and be more enjoyable  as a start 

i'm 2 steps from each ship which i monition

the uk fine but did nit start it yet  

[_HomTanks_]

Get both. If you like dakka dakka go for kitakaze first.

[Panocek]

Both. You want both. And Jutland as well.

 

Besides, only DD that outguns Fletcher at tier 9 is Kitakaze and Mogador with reload booster active, so just because there is one ship that *might* outgun Fletcher doesn't mean she becomes unplayable in the process.

 

To top it off, Fletcher pretty much always (besides early beta days) was and still is torpedo powerhouse.

[Bear__Necessities]

Both equally brilliant DD's. There is no one being better than the other between those 2. 

[renhanxue]

50 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Besides, only DD that outguns Fletcher at tier 9 is Kitakaze and Mogador with reload booster active, so just because there is one ship that *might* outgun Fletcher doesn't mean she becomes unplayable in the process.

Friesland outguns Fletcher by an enormous margin. Östergötland also outguns it but by a much smaller margin (like 10% higher DPM, significantly better fire chance, better ballistics, has a heal).

 

Like, Fletcher isn't bad or anything but Kitakaze is just monstrously overpowered. They don't really play in the same league.

[goodnames_gone]

i see most of the opinions going to Kitakaze  as a start !!!

especially at the point of her fire power of her guns    

[GulvkluderGuld]

Kitakaze is the best tier 9 silver DD, hands down. 

Jutland can 1v1 it but has nowhere near the versatility vs other classes.

All the other good DDs are premiums.

 

Fletcher is getting a bit long in the tooth, basically a torpedo boat.

[Panocek]

8 minutes ago, renhanxue said:

Friesland outguns Fletcher by an enormous margin. Östergötland also outguns it but by a much smaller margin (like 10% higher DPM, significantly better fire chance, better ballistics, has a heal).

 

Like, Fletcher isn't bad or anything but Kitakaze is just monstrously overpowered. They don't really play in the same league.

Fries also completely lacks torps and is severely handicapped in concealment department. Yes, you can use smoke+hydro combo, but its not universal solution for every case.

[goodnames_gone]

9 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Fries also completely lacks torps and is severely handicapped in concealment department. Yes, you can use smoke+hydro combo, but its not universal solution for every case.

i know Friesland  and i saw many tubes about it and i fight vs it when im using my bb's at high tiers ..yes her guns so fast and its a good ship but the point that the Friesland  do not has torps !!!

limited her use or her duty ,,u get my point ..even if i love the guns of dd's and all this ,,,like you said at some cases ..you need your torpos backup 

plus its premium ship or with 1000000 xp & i do not have that mush of free xp right now :D

24 minutes ago, renhanxue said:

Friesland outguns Fletcher by an enormous margin. Östergötland also outguns it but by a much smaller margin (like 10% higher DPM, significantly better fire chance, better ballistics, has a heal).

 

Like, Fletcher isn't bad or anything but Kitakaze is just monstrously overpowered. They don't really play in the same league.

right now i'm working on 2 dd's lines as start ... usa and japs dd's & i become so close to this ships ,,did not start uk or ussr dd's lines not yet 

[Jethro_Grey]

You like gunboat DDs? 

Go for Khaba, you'll never have a boring minute in that boat. 

 

OT, my advice is, go Fletcher first, then Kitakaze. Kitakaze is the better gunboat and a bit OP. Fletcher is a well rounded jack of all trades, master of none.

 

 

[Panocek]

7 minutes ago, _EAF_ said:

i know Friesland  and i saw many tubes about it and i fight vs it when im using my bb's at high tiers ..yes her guns so fast and its a good ship but the point that the Friesland  do not has torps !!!

limited her use or her duty ,,u get my point ..even if i love the guns of dd's and all this ,,,like you said at some cases ..you need your torpos backup 

plus its premium ship or with 1000000 xp & i do not have that mush of free xp right now :D

right now i'm working on 2 dd's lines as start ... usa and japs dd's & i become so close to this ships ,,did not start uk or ussr dd's lines not yet 

With current state of the game - carriers being broken as intended and proliferation of "railguns" at higher tiers that can easily hit high speed destroyers at range, you can safely skip Russian and French DDs. Russian main destroyer line loses a lot for supposed title of "gunboats" yet their gun damage output is still behind faster reloading US or UK equivalents, which almost universally also have better concealment and torps. Russian 130mm guns (as well long barreled French 139mm found on tier 8+) have ballistics to hit things even at max range though.

 

Still, by bringing RU or FR gunboat to the battle, you're not bringing firepower to the team, you're removing one destroyer from your team lineup. Which means one less ship to contest caps or spot stuff.

[goodnames_gone]

thanks for all your help and informations guys ....i think i will go to Kitakaze first ( pure gun boat mini cruiser with torps :D )

plus i'm so close to it at tech tree 

the uk and French and ussr dd's ...i need to start to unlock them one by one but it will be long way to do that 

so as a good start i will go to Kitakaze then i will think at the next step 

[OldschoolGaming_YouTube]

2 hours ago, _EAF_ said:

hi guys ... i love the dd's guns plus the torps for sure but really i love to use them guns more  :D  ..i love to use them as mini cruiser 

which one to get  the Fletcher or the Kitakaze ??

the Fletcher so famous no need to talk about it ..i love her look ..i love the American design and her style ..but lately i see every one talking about the Fletcher has less gun power not like before and become torpo boat no more  ,,still good great ship but her duty only at the game torps only 

from the other hand the Kitakaze ..who can not say any thing worng about it :) ..a beast but less maneuver then the Fletcher but still a beast cuz her rate fire ..i hate the ship looks and style but the game not depend on that  ...the Kitakaze is great ship too 

thats why i get the point of confusion which one i get first and be more enjoyable  as a start 

i'm 2 steps from each ship which i monition

the uk fine but did nit start it yet  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is really no comparison. Kitakaze win on all accounts. Great stealth, some of the best guns, most hard-hitting torps with reload booster, pretty decent AA for a non-Swede, smokescreen. Many say it even stronger than the T10 Harugumo due to better stealth and maneuverability. I even put Yamamoto as my captain on it since you usually get first blood and kraken.

 

 

 

With Fletcher you can get the most underwhelming Kraken in the History of World of Warships in a game with Flamu.

 

 

 

[goodnames_gone]

53 minutes ago, OldschoolGaming_YouTube said:

There is really no comparison. Kitakaze win on all accounts. Great stealth, some of the best guns, most hard-hitting torps with reload booster, pretty decent AA for a non-Swede, smokescreen. Many say it even stronger than the T10 Harugumo due to better stealth and maneuverability. I even put Yamamoto as my captain on it since you usually get first blood and kraken.

 

 

 

With Fletcher you can get the most underwhelming Kraken in the History of World of Warships in a game with Flamu.

 

 

 

you ended the agreement in my mind :D 

after i saw the two vids...the guns of the Fletcher  :( ...you can not even see where to aim or shoot and how the shells landed ..lol the shells fly to the sky ( i think you hit the moon with one or two of your shells ) you could not see them even when you zooming to aiming on ur target 

the Kitakaze mush much better  ..what you need to do and where you need to aim and fire exactly ..yah the Kitakaze  is the one .. full package ( good tops + great guns )

thanks so much for sharing this mate and you helped me to clear the difference between them ( at least at the guns )  and thats what i need it 

after the jap's dd's line ends ..maybe i will go to uk dd's line next step they seems good like japs ..k i will stop the usa dd's line  cuz more i will clump up the tree of it i see how bad they will be ( for the guns at least ) 

[OldschoolGaming_YouTube]

13 minutes ago, _EAF_ said:

you solved and ended the agreement in my mind :D 

after i saw the two vids...the guns of the Fletcher  :( ...you can not even see where to aim or shoot and how the shells landed ..lol the shells fly to the sky ( i think you hit the moon with one or two of your shells ) you could not see them even when you zooming to aiming on ur target 

the Kitakaze mush much better  ..what you need to do and where you need to aim and fire exactly ..yah the Kitakaze  is the one .. full package ( good tops + great guns )

thanks so much for sharing this mate and you helped me to clear the difference between them ( at least at the guns )  and thats what i need it 

after the jap's dd's line ends ..maybe i will go to uk dd's line next step they seems good like japs ..k i will stop the usa dd's line  cuz more i will clump up the tree of it i see how bad they will be ( for the guns at least ) 

 

 

 

 

NP Buddy! If you want to laugh a bit more at my expense I can recommend another pathetic Fletcher video....... 

 

 

 

Daring is a solid choice to grind, one of the best T10 DDs imho. Great guns, single fire torps, smokes whenever you want them (when planes pop up). Beside that I can recommend Halland. Great AA, great guns and long range narrow torps.

[Miscommunication_dept]

Kitakaze is a beast. 

[goodnames_gone]

20 minutes ago, OldschoolGaming_YouTube said:

NP Buddy! If you want to laugh a bit more at my expense I can recommend another pathetic Fletcher video....... 

 

 

 

Daring is a solid choice to grind, one of the best T10 DDs imho. Great guns, single fire torps, smokes whenever you want them (when planes pop up). Beside that I can recommend Halland. Great AA, great guns and long range narrow torps.

sure mate ..that will be nice and already i subscribe to your tube channel to see your vids 

thanks  

daring ...it was in my mind right now ...its nice line indeed ... plus i like the uk's smoke system ..they not like jap's i know ( do not pop your smoke and sleep inside it too long ) shoot and change your position to other ...its seems fun and challenge at that way 

halland !!! yah its good ship but the line it self hard not easy one ( especially and maybe cuz there is no smoke so you depend on ur concealment and play safe .very safe way ) 

i think the uk would be better choice for me after jap's  

[Unknown_Lifeform]

9 hours ago, _EAF_ said:

hi guys ... i love the dd's guns plus the torps for sure but really i love to use them guns more  :D  ..i love to use them as mini cruiser 

 

The one that best suites what you've said here is definitely the kitakaze. It is an excellent gunboat and one of (if not the) strongest destroyer at tier 9. The fletcher is a true hybrid and has a lot of flexibility. I think it is best built for torpedo power in terms of equipment and captain skills. With the fast reloading torps it is an excellent torpedo boat that also has surprisingly solid guns to back it up.

 

8 hours ago, Panocek said:

Besides, only DD that outguns Fletcher at tier 9 is Kitakaze and Mogador with reload booster active, so just because there is one ship that *might* outgun Fletcher doesn't mean she becomes unplayable in the process.

 

This simply isn't true. Fletcher is outgunned by all the specialist gunboats at high tiers and fighting what amounts to a more or less fair fight in a 1 vs 1 vs hybrids same tier and higher. That isn't to say that the fletcher has bad guns, it has solid firepower that is enough to put the hurt in any destroyer, but it isn't a ship that can reliably bully other DDs with its gun power. You can't go all in and 1 vs 1 full health destroyers like a specialist gunboat can (and there are a lot of them at high tiers and they seem to feature heavily in the match making). It can definitely hunt and kill destroyers, but you need to be using your flexibility and patience to pick unfair fights, fight short duration battles with an exit plan or wait until their hitpoints have been depleted. Fletcher is still one of my favourite destroyers to play due to its sheer flexibility and excellent torpedo performance but I rarely look at the team lists at the start of the battle and think "yep, I can comfortably own most of those in a straight gun fight".

[goodnames_gone]

43 minutes ago, Unknown_Lifeform said:

 

The one that best suites what you've said here is definitely the kitakaze. It is an excellent gunboat and one of (if not the) strongest destroyer at tier 9. The fletcher is a true hybrid and has a lot of flexibility. I think it is best built for torpedo power in terms of equipment and captain skills. With the fast reloading torps it is an excellent torpedo boat that also has surprisingly solid guns to back it up.

 

 

This simply isn't true. Fletcher is outgunned by all the specialist gunboats at high tiers and fighting what amounts to a more or less fair fight in a 1 vs 1 vs hybrids same tier and higher. That isn't to say that the fletcher has bad guns, it has solid firepower that is enough to put the hurt in any destroyer, but it isn't a ship that can reliably bully other DDs with its gun power. You can't go all in and 1 vs 1 full health destroyers like a specialist gunboat can (and there are a lot of them at high tiers and they seem to feature heavily in the match making). It can definitely hunt and kill destroyers, but you need to be using your flexibility and patience to pick unfair fights, fight short duration battles with an exit plan or wait until their hitpoints have been depleted. Fletcher is still one of my favourite destroyers to play due to its sheer flexibility and excellent torpedo performance but I rarely look at the team lists at the start of the battle and think "yep, I can comfortably own most of those in a straight gun fight".

thank you mate ... i'm working to get it ...just 1 step to unlock it to have that kind of fun 

the akizuki  give me alot of fun too better than the previous one 

and i'm working on uk dd's as well 

[HMS_Kilinowski]

Oh boy, are we really having this "Kitakaze OP" nonsense again?

 

22 hours ago, _EAF_ said:

thats why i get the point of confusion which one i get first and be more enjoyable  as a start 

i'm 2 steps from each ship which i monition

the uk fine but did nit start it yet  

 

As usual it depends on your play style. If you really know how to play a DD as a mini cruiser, shooting without being hit back, than Kitakaze is the better mini-cruiser. It dishes out high dpm and can hide in smoke. If you position right, close enough to spam relevant enemies, but far enough to not be radared, you can have a lot of impact on the battle.

 

If you want to secure wins by taking caps, which is imo more of the DDs job and a more straight forward way to win, the Kitakaze is too clumsy to avoid torps. Believe me, I have eaten plenty. Unconditionally, I think the Fletcher is the worse mini-cruiser but a way better DD.

The Fletcher can actually contest caps. It's got even better concealment, good dpm, excellent maneuverability and most importantly, it's flexible.

If the Kitakaze is hit by a torp or otherwise heavily damaged, it's impact on the battle relies on how much smoke you got left, and how much you can shoot from that smoke, cause if you are spotted, you are dead.

The Fletcher on the contrary has a fallback option of going into torpboat mode. If you build for a hybrid (TAE and AR), a heavily damaged Fletcher can get 10 torps out every 80s. The Fletcher is still a threat, even more so since the torps reload faster, when damaged.

A Kitakaze in the same situation gets her torps every 2 1/2 min. That is not a threat anymore, that is a last resort self defense. Likely you get bored, open up on a BB and get deleted. Friesland is even worse. A damaged Fries is just out of the game, the best thing if low-hp on it is to just run and deny the enemy the points for killing you.

 

I feel more confident in a Kitakaze, but confidence can get you killed and my stats and my appetite for torps tell me, I am way better off in a Fletcher.

 

[Captain_Newman]

In a pure boat-by-boat comparison I'd probably give it to the Kitakaze, but the Fletcher is still an excellent boat. When considering what you get at t10.. depends what you want it for. I personally dislike the Harugumo - it's big, it's clumsy, it's not great at hunting other DD's and basically just likes to pretend it's a cruiser putting the dakka on bigger targets. Generally. The Gearing on the other hand.. a bit power crept, a bit too thicc, sits super high in the water, but it does have it's uses with great stealth (especially if you use the legendary module) and good torps. If you were looking at these two lines with the hope of having a t10 DD for competitive, out of the two I'd go with legendary Gearing. If you just want a fun t9 dd, either Fletcher or Kitakaze will do the trick. Fletcher is a pure hybrid whereas Kitakaze is a gunboat with fairly decent torp power as long as you still have booster charges.

[goodnames_gone]

11 hours ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

Oh boy, are we really having this "Kitakaze OP" nonsense again?

sorry sir if i start a typic maybe some one or many ask about it before ..but i'm almost new here and i did not saw any of this before 

11 hours ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

If you really know how to play a DD as a mini cruiser, shooting without being hit back, than Kitakaze is the better mini-cruiser. It dishes out high dpm and can hide in smoke. If you position right, close enough to spam relevant enemies, but far enough to not be radared, you can have a lot of impact on the battle.

and thats what i'm good at it sir 

11 hours ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

Unconditionally, I think the Fletcher is the worse mini-cruiser but a way better DD.

The Fletcher can actually contest caps. It's got even better concealment, good dpm, excellent maneuverability and most importantly, it's flexible.

and thats make me re_think about the Fletcher its torpo boat maybe the best at that duty with all the options you monition it but as mini cruiser with her usa lazy shells which flying too high and too slow (hard aim and leaded on the targets) ...i feel i will struggle with it 

and that make the Kitakaze  more comfy to my game play 

and after i done with jap dd's ..the closer choice to me i think it would be the uk dd's  ( nice shells speed + good rate of fire + uk smoke system ) and nice package end up with daring or i'm wrong at that ??   

[OldPappy]

Kita IS the bettet boat. I never made it work for me that well as I did with the Fletcher. But Kita has a major drawback vs Fletcher. Everyone will drop what they do in order to shoot you in the Kita. Fletcher gets more leeway in that sense. 
But kita played correctly is the better ship. Its fun to play but easy to get too aggressive and cocky in. 

[Panocek]

1 hour ago, _EAF_ said:

the closer choice to me i think it would be the uk dd's  ( nice shells speed + good rate of fire + uk smoke system ) and nice package end up with daring or i'm wrong at that ??

I wouldn't consider UK 113mm guns on Jutland and Daring to have "nice shells speed" and sure as hell it doesn't apply to midtier 120mm guns. Rate of fire you have only on Daring, as Jutland was repeatedly hit with nerf stick and her base reload is identical to tier 8 Lightning. Daring herself was hit few times with nerfbat as well, so her theoretical HE DPM is on par with Gearing. Daring (and Jutland) wins on utility - acceleration, smokes, hydro, heal, single launch torps, improved AP ricochet angles, 360 traverse on all turrets, Gearing wins on having 21mm HE pen and better torps in all aspects besides single launch.

 

That said, slow-ish reload of 4.5s on Lightning and Jutland (3.6s in full gunboat spec for the latter) doesn't mean they lack damage output, especially as you can (ab)use your flexible smokes during DD engagements, while Brits in general have rather high fire chance per shell, so can set fire or two.

[goodnames_gone]

32 minutes ago, Panocek said:

I wouldn't consider UK 113mm guns on Jutland and Daring to have "nice shells speed" and sure as hell it doesn't apply to midtier 120mm guns. Rate of fire you have only on Daring, as Jutland was repeatedly hit with nerf stick and her base reload is identical to tier 8 Lightning. Daring herself was hit few times with nerfbat as well, so her theoretical HE DPM is on par with Gearing. Daring (and Jutland) wins on utility - acceleration, smokes, hydro, heal, single launch torps, improved AP ricochet angles, 360 traverse on all turrets, Gearing wins on having 21mm HE pen and better torps in all aspects besides single launch.

 

That said, slow-ish reload of 4.5s on Lightning and Jutland (3.6s in full gunboat spec for the latter) doesn't mean they lack damage output, especially as you can (ab)use your flexible smokes during DD engagements, while Brits in general have rather high fire chance per shell, so can set fire or two.

so as advice and as i told you sir i like to use it as mini cruiser cuz i love to use the dd's guns not depending only on the torpos ...after the jap dd's line 

whats the best comfy choice ??

1- back to usa dd's ( my problem with it the shells ) so hard to control ...for sure you better than me at that but for me i will struggle at that and i saw many tubes and vids about the Fletcher shells and how they act 

2- go to other line idk uk or ussr ?? some thing with smoke and good fire power ( can used as a mini cruiser )

the german dd's !!!  i open them until t 5 then i stopped there ,, after that idk did not feel exciting for them

the French line is good and the holland line ( but both have no smoke and depending on the concealment  ) and that maybe will be not easy lines for me right now 

the Friesland (some says its a real mini cruiser no topo + smoke + nice concealment) but Unfortunately hard to get it (do not have 1000 000 xp or its very expensive at the premium shop )plus i will need at least 10 if not 19 skill European commander or that will be pointless to get that boat