Shimakaze 20km Torps... the return?

[Migantium_Mashum]

I have been in some really rubbish teams of late.. BB's that focus on enemy BB's instead of smashing enemy radar even after practically begging them to help me, Cruisers that think they are high powered DD's getting smashed in minutes.

With all of that to contend with as a DD player having 8km or even 12km torpedoes means nothing if your team doesn't smash enemy radar or they decide to go a single Cruiser against four BB's...

 

So for the first time in 3 years Mashum reloads the 20km Torpedoes... the result were an amazing success on all three games played tonight... I have driven off more Radar cruisers than ever before and in my last three games scored 8 kills...

 

Is it time perhaps to go back to them, have the 20km Torpedoes indeed come into their own once again?

 

Am I alone or has any other Shimakaze player gone back to the accursed 20km Torpedoes?

[FlyingBender]

20 minutos antes, Migantium_Mashum dijo:

Am I alone or has any other Shimakaze player gone back to the accursed 20km Torpedoes?

I'll try it tomorrow sensei!

[Migantium_Mashum]

1 minute ago, Bender76048k said:

I'll try it tomorrow sensei!

Post how you do.... might be the thing to put Shimakaze back up... and radar Cruiser back down.

[DFens_666]

Id say the problem is, good players will easily dodge them.

Everyone else will probably just eat them regardless... had enough of those teammates in ranked, who just take spotted torps

[lup3s]

26 minutes ago, Migantium_Mashum said:

Is it time perhaps to go back to them, have the 20km Torpedoes indeed come into their own once again?

 

Am I alone or has any other Shimakaze player gone back to the accursed 20km Torpedoes?

 

In my opinion the 20km torpedoes are the worst of the 3 Shimakaze torpedo types.

I prefer the 12km torpedoes; sometimes I might use the F3s, but I think those are better suited on the Yuugumo. I'll hardly ever take the 20km torpedoes unless it's for some shenanigans (and when I do it's with both TA and the Ship Upgrade that improves torpedo speed).

[Migantium_Mashum]

1 minute ago, lup3s said:

 

In my opinion the 20km torpedoes are the worst of the 3 Shimakaze torpedo types - maybe if you slap Torpedo Acceleration on it, but still.

I prefer the 12km torpedoes.

So do I or 8km @ 80knots, but if your team isn't moving enemy radar or attacking it, given most ships you seem to face are equipped with 12km radar, you're in a bind from the very start.... and as i have said I have had more kills, more hits than using any of the others even 6.4km @ 85knots.

[Hannibalurg]

OP have an intresting point. Tbh all matches now are filled with ships who either have radar, or Hydro. Even see alot of CWs. Im no expert, but walls of 20km torps might just be what is needed to deal with the current radar/hydro/cv meta.

 

As rearadmiral Jingels allways say: Throw enough crap at the wall, some is going to stick. 

[Migantium_Mashum]

8 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

Id say the problem is, good players will easily dodge them.

Everyone else will probably just eat them regardless... had enough of those teammates in ranked, who just take spotted torps

If you stagger them nobody avoids them even if they see them... or at least that's how they worked in my three games tonight.

 

Just got so tired with games where the teams don't work for the benefit of the DD anymore which usually means DD's die and the game is lost... some real stupid BB players out there lately...

 

I had one game tonight in my Yugumo where an Izumo and Iowa who were with me had a BB and an Alaska to their front... I am repeatedly begging for them to kill Alaska and do you think they fired on it once; In fact the Alaska sank them both leaving me with no cover and a radar ship to deal with..

[DFens_666]

1 minute ago, Migantium_Mashum said:

I had one game tonight in my Yugumo where an Izumo and Iowa who were with me had a BB and an Alaska to their front... I am repeatedly begging for them to kill Alsaska and do you think they fired on it once; In fact the Alsaka sank them both leaving me with no cover and a radar ship to deal with..

 

Sometimes i wonder, if those people are running MMM and they want to kill a specific enemy because "IZ BURBLE UNIGUM "

[Migantium_Mashum]

2 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Sometimes i wonder, if those people are running MMM and they want to kill a specific enemy because "IZ BURBLE UNIGUM "

I don't know sometimes... but if I can make a success of 20km torps .. I might keep them.. At least any Island hugging radar ship can be moved or even sunk if it is tightly hugging an island... 

 

I need to try something different because I am losing the enjoyment factor.... some players seem thick to the point of setting...

[Shaka_D]

1 hour ago, Migantium_Mashum said:

 

Am I alone or has any other Shimakaze player gone back to the accursed 20km Torpedoes?

#metoo

[Ulvesnutepostei]

We are creatures of habbits, breaking the usual pattern is often successful ... lets see, where did I put those long range watersnakes 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

From what i can see, there's enough really bad players in high tiers that makes them a viable option these days. 

[lup3s]

1 hour ago, Migantium_Mashum said:

So do I or 8km @ 80knots, but if your team isn't moving enemy radar or attacking it, given most ships you seem to face are equipped with 12km radar, you're in a bind from the very start.... and as i have said I have had more kills, more hits than using any of the others even 6.4km @ 85knots.

 

12km torps - 12km radar; I don't see that big an issue there :)

 

F3s with TA are outdated in my opinion; unless you want to have some meme-plays

[Butterdoll]

2 hours ago, Migantium_Mashum said:

I have been in some really rubbish teams of late.. BB's that focus on enemy BB's instead of smashing enemy radar even after practically begging them to help me, Cruisers that think they are high powered DD's getting smashed in minutes.

With all of that to contend with as a DD player having 8km or even 12km torpedoes means nothing if your team doesn't smash enemy radar or they decide to go a single Cruiser against four BB's...

 

So for the first time in 3 years Mashum reloads the 20km Torpedoes... the result were an amazing success on all three games played tonight... I have driven off more Radar cruisers than ever before and in my last three games scored 8 kills...

 

Is it time perhaps to go back to them, have the 20km Torpedoes indeed come into their own once again?

 

Am I alone or has any other Shimakaze player gone back to the accursed 20km Torpedoes?

They have a reputation of being crap, easy to see at distance, easy to dodge, and very hard to predict right, all it takes is a small course correction made by your target and you are off.

Perhaps you should ask yourself why you had so much success with the 20 km torps.

Could be, because, the target it's not expecting 20 km torps?

Once those 12 km and 8 km torps appeared, Shima players dropped the 20 km ones in such numbers that became a well known fact between other classes.

 

Ashasio it's well known to have 20 km torps, How it fairs when compared with the current 8 km and 12 km Shima?

 

you may be lucky, if this return to 20 km  torps remains in a micro scale but even then more experience players (they don't even have to be good) can distinguish 20 km torps from the others. And that can be a very random and defuse line to be able to rely  on that 

 

I don't know if i'm right or not.

 

But one thing i can tell you.

20 km Shima is well before my time in t8/t10 but the reputation it's still there.

Every time i see a Shima or an Ashasio i start to make evasive manoeuvres...just in case.

 

you shouldn't be afraid of radar ships, you know better than i, ways to counter that, they are predicable. And you have what? 5.4 km concealment? You will spot everything ahead of you in advance.

 

 

 

[Verblonde]

5 hours ago, Migantium_Mashum said:

Am I alone or has any other Shimakaze player gone back to the accursed 20km Torpedoes?

I haven't yet, but I didn't sell them when I researched the 12 km ones; I'm thinking I might give them a lash when I have a spare TA captain available.

 

My guess is that they'll be of most use in Randoms, but that one'll want to return to the other options in modes where one has reliable team-mates.

[PeteEarthling]

5 hours ago, Migantium_Mashum said:

Am I alone or has any other Shimakaze player gone back to the accursed 20km Torpedoes?

I have never ever used them in a single game... 8 km all the way.

[ColonelPete]

5 hours ago, Migantium_Mashum said:

I have been in some really rubbish teams of late.. BB's that focus on enemy BB's instead of smashing enemy radar even after practically begging them to help me, Cruisers that think they are high powered DD's getting smashed in minutes.

With all of that to contend with as a DD player having 8km or even 12km torpedoes means nothing if your team doesn't smash enemy radar or they decide to go a single Cruiser against four BB's...

 

So for the first time in 3 years Mashum reloads the 20km Torpedoes... the result were an amazing success on all three games played tonight... I have driven off more Radar cruisers than ever before and in my last three games scored 8 kills...

 

Is it time perhaps to go back to them, have the 20km Torpedoes indeed come into their own once again?

 

Am I alone or has any other Shimakaze player gone back to the accursed 20km Torpedoes?

12km torps are sufficient for all radar types.

20km is overkill and gives you more misses.

[Yedwy]

1 hour ago, Butterdoll said:

You shouldn't be afraid of radar ships, you know better than i, ways to counter that, they are predicable. And you have what? 5.4 km concealment? You will spot everything ahead of you in advance.

Radar ships issues are not them not being spotted (well mostly) in the open its the fact their presence denies you the capping option and you cant do anything about it really, esp the RU CL radars, I remember a fight in a Shima and every time I tried to cap the god d*mn Donkey was right at the edge of range, closes in and hey presto I had to bail... Annoying AF, in the end the rest of the team finally shot her dead...

[LemonadeWarriorITA]

6 hours ago, DFens_666 said:

Id say the problem is, good players will easily dodge them.

Everyone else will probably just eat them regardless... had enough of those teammates in ranked, who just take spotted torps

TBH I am often a bit lazy and be like those will run out before they hit me... Especially when its a Shima, because who is using 20km torpedoes... but well now I read this and will stop being lazy.

[Panocek]

Primary issue with Shimakaze with 20km torps - Yoshino have them as well. And can work her guns on enemy ships just fine, when waiting for opportunity to test friendly fire mechanics

[Excavatus]

Use them with torp acceleration.. 

16km is more than enough... 

[Imsali]

31 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

Use them with torp acceleration.. 

16km is more than enough... 

Yes, I also believe 16km is the sweet spot, on many maps it allows to cross torp to typical camping spots, and the extra speed is always nice to actually hit something. 12km is too tight with ruski radar cruisers around.

[Panocek]

34 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

Use them with torp acceleration.. 

16km is more than enough... 

Then you discover existence of (UU'd) Gearing with 16km torps without detection measured in "yes".

[GraySlayer]

Do you know i've never used them not even once so I can't even comment as to their efficacy. I'll try them but add on TA as 16km is more than enough. The only way for me to decide if they are any good is to actually try them out and compare. 

 

Lets see..