TIer 10 D/D Advice - Shima vs Khaba

[Marydoll]

After months of grinding on a Standard account I have researched both Shimakaze and Khabarovsk within two days of each other. At present only in position to purchase one. Both have stellar reputations back in the day but both, especially Khaba, have been victims of WG power creep. I found the Yugumo underwhelming and preferred the Tier 9 Kagero. Tashkent full gunboat build struggled to cause effective damage with guns usually 50/60K with virtually no torpedo impact.

Any advice on which one to "purchase" from experienced sages out there.

 

Cheers.

[BlackYeti]

I'm not a dd player but the general consensus seems to be to avoid Khaba like the plague.

[renhanxue]

8 minutes ago, Marydoll said:

After months of grinding on a Standard account I have researched both Shimakaze and Khabarovsk within two days of each other. At present only in position to purchase one. Both have stellar reputations back in the day but both, especially Khaba, have been victims of WG power creep. I found the Yugumo underwhelming and preferred the Tier 9 Kagero. Tashkent full gunboat build struggled to cause effective damage with guns usually 50/60K with virtually no torpedo impact.

Any advice on which one to "purchase" from experienced sages out there.

 

Cheers.

If you didn't enjoy the Tashkent you're not going to like the Khabarovsk either. The Khaba plays the same but is significantly weaker tier for tier.

 

Shima is still okay, I guess.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

Shima > khaba. You need to be very experienced in order to make the Khaba work for you and your team. The Shima can be played in a more relaxed way.

[Panocek]

59 minutes ago, Marydoll said:

After months of grinding on a Standard account I have researched both Shimakaze and Khabarovsk within two days of each other. At present only in position to purchase one. Both have stellar reputations back in the day but both, especially Khaba, have been victims of WG power creep. I found the Yugumo underwhelming and preferred the Tier 9 Kagero. Tashkent full gunboat build struggled to cause effective damage with guns usually 50/60K with virtually no torpedo impact.

Any advice on which one to "purchase" from experienced sages out there.

 

Cheers.

Shimakaze vs Khabarovsk.

 

You want to get shot in left or right kneecap?

 

Still, I'd point to the Shimakaze, because its merely 9mm compared to 12 gauge buckshot you would get with Khabarovsk, especially as you've admitted Tashkent was a struggle. Shima also retains her concealment advantage, which can be very useful in divisions and when contesting caps, she also restores some flexibility due to getting speed and third fish launcher back compared to Kagero or Yugumo. In return, as T10 ship, she is guaranteed to see T10 only games, which are boring as heck with rare opportunities to sneak your way through with carriers and radars everywhere to make use of supposed strength of yours, torpedoes.

 

Personally I'd wait for some discount to get Shimakaze, maybe there will be one during Christmas. Or join clan, those may be able to provide that feature

 

 

[Jethro_Grey]

Shima all the way.

 

It beats Khaba in every way.

And yeah, look for a clan for discounts on purchase and grind and other benefits.

[GarrusBrutus]

#removefullpensonkhaba

#makekhabagreatagain

[RambaRal]

Between the 2, Shima hands down. 

 

But, if you can take the nuisance to grind 2 more ships, you could go for the 2nd RU branch and get a Grozovoi, which is a solid all-rounder.

[Camperdown]

In addition to what's already been said: Shima is decent generalist DD with low detect range. I find I can contest caps in Shima to some extent. In Khaba you rob your team of a real DD and saddle them with a puny cruiser with very specific application.

[Panocek]

4 minutes ago, Camperdown said:

In addition to what's already been said: Shima is decent generalist DD with low detect range. I find I can contest caps in Shima to some extent. In Khaba you rob your team of a real DD and saddle them with a puny cruiser with very specific application.

Cruiser that also happen to be extremely shitty at being cruiser as well.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

19 minutes ago, GarrusBrutus said:

#makekhabagreatagain

They just did 

 

[ForlornSailor]

6 minutes ago, Europizza said:

They just did 

 

Can it transform into a Kleber?

[Bear__Necessities]

If you like every game being a mega challenge, Pick Khaba. 

[CptBarney]

Can't they just put her back to pre-nerf levels or at least after the first nerf?

Although ideas like that are probs why weegee would never hire me to balans the game.

 

I would balans it into the ocean.

[BlackYeti]

1 hour ago, ForlornSailor said:

 

Can it transform into a Kleber?

Kleberovsk 

[lup3s]

55 minutes ago, Bear__Necessities said:

If you like every game being a mega challenge, Pick Khaba. 

 

Last 3 battles I played with Khaba I managed to torp a DD in each (Shima, Shima, Fletcher) - each full dev strike - other Scrubs can acknowledge

[Marydoll]

Seems like a choice between a rock and a hard place!

It wasn't that Tashkent games were bad it just to me appeared that you were getting little reward in respect of damage and were unable to support the team. You also had the constant chat advising you to Cap and  WTF is the DD doing! It has detection of over 8K and is purely a weak gunboat.

May just save my silver.

 

Cheers.

[Migantium_Mashum]

I am a DD main and presently I wouldn't touch KHABA with a barge pole... However, in a 1v1 fight with another DD she is a lethal opponent..

 

I do however love the Shimakaze but if you haven't played her yet take a few trips out in COOP to get the feel of her, learn her firing angles and angles of attack for torpedoes.

 

Shimakaze concealment is the key advantage over almost all other DD's and at 5.6km you can be very brave with your choice of torpedoes. I run 8km @ 80 knots or 6.4km @ 85 knots...

Mini map, mini map, watch your target see how it turns to keep your distance etc etc etc and you will be lethal. 

 

 

 

 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

46 minutes ago, BlackYeti said:

Kleberovsk 

Khabaroveur sans plomb 

[ForlornSailor]

1 hour ago, lup3s said:

Last 3 battles I played with Khaba I managed to torp a DD in each (Shima, Shima, Fletcher) - each full dev strike - other Scrubs can acknowledge

Not surprised actually. Ive seen a Khaba do a double-dev-strike-flesh-wound on 2 of my DDs with a YOLO torp run right at the start of the game. I think I took a screen of it, I could dig it out. or maybe @DFens_666 has it.

[GraySlayer]

4 hours ago, Marydoll said:

After months of grinding on a Standard account I have researched both Shimakaze and Khabarovsk within two days of each other. At present only in position to purchase one. Both have stellar reputations back in the day but both, especially Khaba, have been victims of WG power creep. I found the Yugumo underwhelming and preferred the Tier 9 Kagero. Tashkent full gunboat build struggled to cause effective damage with guns usually 50/60K with virtually no torpedo impact.

Any advice on which one to "purchase" from experienced sages out there.

 

Cheers.

 

Shima all day long but you need patience and finesse.

 

Yugumo is one of the Best DDs in the game in experienced hands.

[genosse]

In my opinion Shima is still one of the best, if not the best torpedo-focused and stealth-based DD on tier X, while Khabarovsk was pretty much replaced by better ships who fill exactly the same role.

 

I didn't play either, by the way – that's just my experience of having her as an opponent.

 

Get the Shima, it still remains very dangerous. When I see an enemy Khaba, I often just think to myself: "That's nice, an easy fight.", or "Yay, no Halland!" ;)

[Migantium_Mashum]

21 minutes ago, GraySlayer said:

 

Shima all day long but you need patience and finesse.

 

Yugumo is one of the Best DDs in the game in experienced hands.

With 5.5km concealment and TRB she is a very prickly opponent... I used to have a 33% Win rate with mine now she sits on the threshold of 49%-50%...

[Lootboxer]

5 hours ago, Marydoll said:

I found the Yugumo underwhelming

That is worrying as it's one of the best torpedo Dds in a game. Can be played with TRB as sees many no CV T9 only games.

Still you did not liked Tashkient and she is better then Kaba now probably so I say Shima all the way.

I would just play Yogumo a bit longer to gain more experience and love to ninja DDs.

[ForlornSailor]

29 minutes ago, GraySlayer said:

Yugumo is one of the Best DDs in the game in experienced hands.

 

6 minutes ago, Migantium_Mashum said:

With 5.5km concealment and TRB she is a very prickly opponent

 

Imo, Shima (goes for Khaba aswell) is one of those DDs with a pretty high skill floor. This used o be different. But nowadays, with high rate of CVs, so many fast gunboat DDs and stealth radar and even cruisers, that are faster then you... I ran down several shimas with my Henri and obviously, they did not expect that to happen.

For those reasons, I actually wouldnt recommend Shima to a DD-beginner (or the IJN-torpedo-line for that matter). Having shima as the first T10 DD in these days is almost guarenteed to end in disaster - unless you are talented with DDs.

 

So that would actually be my suggestions to OP, thinking about it. Take neither. Start a new line. US DDs, British DDs - versatile and strong.