Don't add subs to random battles

[Badjakker]

Hey Guys,

 

Imo! Subs shouldn't be added to random battles, CV's are already a big enough nuisance to your gameplay that i dont need subs to make it even worse.

 

I know you might say adapt to the meta.... but if the meta isnt fun to play people will stop playing, i would, and that is what worries me.

 

I saw 2 "developers" on the stream this week talking about the subs, and  they said they didnt play that long ( at least they didnt play the sharks VS eagle thing) why does WG have such freshies decide the course of the game???

 CV's are already gamebreaking, i dont need subs with homing torpedoes added to the game ontop!!

 

Please reconsider adding subs to random battles, it would RUIN the game.

[rage1750]

Spreadsheet says you will love them

[Beastofwar]

39 minutes ago, Badjakker said:

 it would RUIN the game.

 

No...it will only change the game. What you think of that is your personal preference.

 

Stop trying to stop the future. You will never be able to as constant change is part of nature and even the order of the universe...you will adapt or become redundant. And i trust you know what nature does to things that cannot adapt ?

 

 

[ThePurpleSmurf]

4 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

 

No...it will only change the game. What you think of that is your personal preference.

 

Stop trying to stop the future. You will never be able to as constant change is part of nature and even the order of the universe...you will adapt or become redundant. And i trust you know what nature does to things that cannot adapt ?

 

 

It's white knight crap like this why we got things like the CV rework and many smaller and bigger things added to the game that removes any form of skill requirement to not totally suck at the game. But since your profile is hidden (i guess we all know why) i assume your enjoyment of the game is that it goes boom in your headphones when you press the mouse button. So game changes and bad additions don't affect you at all, because [use your imagination about your skill here].

[Ashardalon_Dragnipur]

can it really get worse?

i quit because of CVs before the last test for subs so i really dont know

im already thinking about quitting again so i might miss next sub test again 

dont really see how puking on a turd will make it smell worse 

but wet turds somehow do 

[Verblonde]

1 hour ago, Badjakker said:

Please reconsider adding subs to random battles, it would RUIN the game.

The pessimist in me tends to agree with this sentiment; this is particularly so given what we saw in the first iteration of submarines mode that we had recently and - perhaps more crucially - given that CVs still aren't right more than a year and a half after their introduction.

 

That said, I suspect we are going to have to live with it eventually (or find alternative games to play). I feel it's not all doom and gloom though:

• Unlike with CVs, WG appears to be serious about proper testing of the new class. Whether they'll ever make a good addition to the game remains to be seen, but there is less sign of going off half-cocked this time.
• Every patch where submarines aren't dropped into proper game modes gives us another month(ish) to get maximum value from the various ships etc. that we have i.e. it's vaguely like - say - T10 permaflage: if a ship gets nerfed the week after you bought the cammo, you'd be very upset, whereas you might be more sanguine if it was a year after and you'd had plenty of time to thrash the nuts off said cammo.
• At least one of the key problems of the first iteration - spotting - has been addressed (apparently); if that extends to other issues, the second iteration may be less disastrous, and so on.

Ultimately, it'll depend on how patient WG (and their accounts people) are; if they are prepared to give enough time to test and develop subs properly, it may all not turn out entirely catastrophically...

 

I'm not optimistic, but that does have the merit of avoiding disappointment.

 

[lovelacebeer]

Quite frankly I have no faith in WGs ability to implement subs well, sadly it's a forgone conclusion they are going to be forced into randoms and mostly likely they will be a negative influence on the game itself (at least if anything we have seen from test plus the Dev blog are anything to go by). 

 

At least they are making some effort on balancing this time unlike with the CV rework although I'm expecting eventually they will just get shoving in no matter the actual balance state considering the development cost and WG will have become impatient for sales of premium subs. 

 

Personally I'm no long renewing my premium time and not buying anything so that I feel less financially invested in the game so when subs come I can just take a break from playing. Then I just keep an eye on the forum as well as YouTube and if I'm proven wrong and subs are not a total mess I can then come back, if I'm sadly right  then game was fun while it lasted and I move on. 

[Butterdoll]

2 hours ago, Beastofwar said:

You will never

Don't say that.

Do you know what happened to the last guy?

 

 

Amen  to that, at least no subs in random

 

So far, the only class carried by  a huge pile of  unable to hit target BS , while well in range of guns.

 

Hope it's the last to die.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

If there ever would be more people protesting they might possibly maybe consider not implementing them. 

Since the CV rework and the CVs in their current state are still around despite the community rallying against them on this forum and reddit what makes you believe that they will listen to any of you when it comes to subs? 

[Camperdown]

8 hours ago, Beastofwar said:

 

No...it will only change the game. What you think of that is your personal preference.

 

Stop trying to stop the future. You will never be able to as constant change is part of nature and even the order of the universe...you will adapt or become redundant. And i trust you know what nature does to things that cannot adapt ?

 

 

Yes. Nature makes them stop playing WoWs and switch to games that are still fun to play.

[T0L0S]

8 hours ago, Beastofwar said:

 

No...it will only change the game. What you think of that is your personal preference.

 

Stop trying to stop the future. You will never be able to as constant change is part of nature and even the order of the universe...you will adapt or become redundant. And i trust you know what nature does to things that cannot adapt ?

 

 

The same thing was said about a game called Navy field. One month after the release of subs, over half the player base had quit and it never recovered. 

 

No matter what WG does subs will not and CANNOT be balanced correctly. 

[Yedwy]

1 hour ago, Camperdown said:

Yes. Nature makes them stop playing WoWs and switch to games that are still fun to play.

I got myself both Subnauticas, soon Diablo 4 will be out, WOWS is just about at limit of the frustration vs fun treshold for me, should subs come into Randoms the way they are well I hope sub lovers enjoy playing vs bots...

[invicta2012]

I'm not that worried about them stuffing Submarines into Random battles (and that's not just because I don't play Random battles). I think recent WG decisions over game modes have been quite encouraging - they do seem to be realising that people feel as if the Random mode is becoming over stuffed with gimmicks and unbalanced, and I'm sure they're looking at the people who are playing Sub battles, Asymmetric battles and the like and seeing a different level and type of engagement, and a fresher approach to game play as a result. The proposed changes to Ranked, with qualifying leagues, also looks very positive, and seems to be based on player feedback. I'm sure subs will end up in the game somehow, but I suspect it will be a limited mode first up.

[Migantium_Mashum]

8 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

I got myself both Subnauticas, soon Diablo 4 will be out, WOWS is just about at limit of the frustration vs fun treshold for me, should subs come into Randoms the way they are well I hope sub lovers enjoy playing vs bots...

Same as... keep Subs in their own section and the Sub lovers can have a blast... Put them in random and for me that's probably the final straw.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

I hope for once those "final straw" posts actually follow through. It's about time you make the first step and show them that people are actually leaving instead of just threatening doing so :D

[SkollUlfr]

changing the meta =/= ruining the game.

[Beastofwar]

26 minutes ago, SkollUlfr said:

changing the meta =/= ruining the game.

 

That they do with every new tech tier line that has different mechanics.....so if that is your problem...

 

And besides that why do so many players feel refreshed by playing ranked sprints with very different formats then mass camping long range and burning enemies from a distance that is randoms ?

 

I started playing CV in randoms because then i can ignore that camping and burning crap entirely. Yet in modes where you have freedom to move ( you actually can flank campers and punish them )  i can use all ship types end find enjoyment again.

[SkollUlfr]

13 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

 

That they do with every new tech tier line that has different mechanics.....so if that is your problem...

=/= meaning not equal

sure a lot of new lines have done something to the game meta, but its not as drastic an what subs are capable of. a stable meta they have learned, is what a lot of eunuch players rely on for maintaining their stats.

yolo dd and backline camper bb are not going to have a fun time with a sub played to potential.

just pinging them with sonar is going to be enough to upset their lurking as they arent going to know if a homing torp is on its way to their lurk spot, making them move.

which could potentially be more powerful of a meta play than dropping torps just to make a bb show it broadside to a friendly.

[Exocet6951]

11 hours ago, Beastofwar said:

No...it will only change the game. What you think of that is your personal preference.

 

That's a fair point.

If I set fire to your house, it will only change your house, not necessarily ruin it.
Won't someone think of the poor pyromaniacs?

[_HomTanks_]

Subs are fine as long as they are added into the game as a separate mode like last time.

[Beastofwar]

1 hour ago, SkollUlfr said:

=/= meaning not equal

sure a lot of new lines have done something to the game meta, but its not as drastic an what subs are capable of. a stable meta they have learned, is what a lot of eunuch players rely on for maintaining their stats.

yolo dd and backline camper bb are not going to have a fun time with a sub played to potential.

just pinging them with sonar is going to be enough to upset their lurking as they arent going to know if a homing torp is on its way to their lurk spot, making them move.

which could potentially be more powerful of a meta play than dropping torps just to make a bb show it broadside to a friendly.

 

Have you realized yet this new class you fear so much with WG's improvements being implemented now won't be any more problematic then DD right now ? And even far more easily dealt with ?

 

When you are in a BB and face a DD with torpedo's that allow it to launch far outside it's detection range you are doomed. You really need allies to spot and kill it, you will never see it yourself before you sink.

 

Now we replace that with BB facing a Sub......you can detect an attacking sub, launch a DC armed catapult plane and give this sub hell.

 

What is the nightmare or "ruines everything" about that ???

 

If there weren't any radars or CV you would have another nightmare. I regularly see it when i skip search&destroy enemy DD with AP rocket armed fighters. Yet there is no call to remove DD from the game.....

 

When resisting every change to the game you should wonder if you have become a fossil conservatist. Inflexible, unable to adapt.

 

 

[BLUB__BLUB]

2 hours ago, Migantium_Mashum said:

Same as... keep Subs in their own section and the Sub lovers can have a blast... Put them in random and for me that's probably the final straw.

I actually think if WG pays attention and changes the stuff that is wrong with them, they might BALANCE the game a bit.

And yes they'll make it more fun for DDs as well. But... not having my hopes up as I have seen CV Reeework. 

Which is actually fixable IMO, but well. We'll see. 

 

And @Beastofwar is right, either adapt or become extinct.

That is, until WG buggers it up so badly the whole game becomes extinct! 

[Beastofwar]

44 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

And @Beastofwar is right, either adapt or become extinct.

That is, until WG buggers it up so badly the whole game becomes extinct! 

 

You were there after CV rework release when WG nerfed CV patch after patch after patch after patch......that took quite a lot of adapting from the CV players part.....and the anti-CV players are probably still stuck in that CV lauch situation without realizing that has gone.

 

It is true when they launched CV were overpowered. Was difficult to dislodge them from 1st position scoreboard. But those times have long past, except for maybe the Enterprise which was strangely unaffected by these many global nerfs.

 

I think WG learned from that.......and i also think they were a little too affraid for that with the 1st public submarine player test. They rather felt too weak then too strong, except for their uncanny ability to detect DD and Cruisers in smoke in the caps from afar. This was adressed.

 

And the inability for all classes to defend themselves is being adressed.

 

I have full faith it will become an  interesting addition.

[Humorpalanta]

I never thought a game company would create fake profiles to change the player's opinion but damn I guess russians are used to use these kind of techniques. 

Good job fella you do work hard enough for your salary. Hat's off.

[Hopeless_Guppy]

12 hours ago, Ashardalon_Dragnipur said:

can it really get worse?

i quit because of CVs before the last test for subs so i really dont know

im already thinking about quitting again so i might miss next sub test again 

dont really see how puking on a turd will make it smell worse 

but wet turds somehow do 

Sad that your thinking of quitting, you see WG won't even notice or care, I do think though t they should be in their own separate mode, but as stated WG don't care, so god only knows what the future holds.