What is PR?

[Piratenmaedchen]

Hey there,

after jumping into this game 4 days ago, I thought it would be a good idea to check how I'm doing. So I browsed for an appropriate site and found wows-numbers. From searching the forum I understood that PR is the important stat, even more than WR, so I went to the leaderboard (I'm only playing coop, as PVP competition is boyz country) and was quite astonished to find me on rank 33. Gosh. But I was even more astonished when I checked those above me. There are ludicrous PR stats, even a 6-digit one. I looked at the calculation, but maths it not my stuff, so if anyone has an idea if those PR are legit and how they are achievable... thanks!

[_HomTanks_]

Puerto Rico.

[Wulf_Ace]

8 minutes ago, Piratenmaedchen said:

Hey there,

after jumping into this game 4 days ago, I thought it would be a good idea to check how I'm doing. So I browsed for an appropriate site and found wows-numbers. From searching the forum I understood that PR is the important stat, even more than WR, so I went to the leaderboard (I'm only playing coop, as PVP competition is boyz country) and was quite astonished to find me on rank 33. Gosh. But I was even more astonished when I checked those above me. There are ludicrous PR stats, even a 6-digit one. I looked at the calculation, but maths it not my stuff, so if anyone has an idea if those PR are legit and how they are achievable... thanks!

Really??? Look at the number of battles, ALL new accounts from experienced players just to get higher PR.

[Piratenmaedchen]

If they are experienced, then the average damage does not show it. So how do you get a PR of 152K (!) with those numbers? 

[DFens_666]

11 minutes ago, Piratenmaedchen said:

I looked at the calculation, but maths it not my stuff, so if anyone has an idea if those PR are legit and how they are achievable... thanks!

 

Those are bugged

The supposed 152k is in reality 2345.

But dont ask me why that happens, but ive known it for some time. >10.000 PR is possible as a new account (not sure if its possible in Coop tho), playing in protected MM dealing insane damage and getting like >6 kills in one match.

 

Managed that with Novik on an alt acc in protected MM.

[Piratenmaedchen]

Vor 1 Minute, DFens_666 sagte:

Those are bugged

Weird. Thanks!   So stats aren't worth anything without a forensic examination.

[Riggerby]

There is a full break down of the equation and mathematics behind PR's meaning on their page - https://wows-numbers.com/personal/rating

 

Bad	0 - 750
Below Average	750 - 1100
Average	1100 - 1350
Good	1350 - 1550
Very Good	1550 - 1750
Great	1750 - 2100
Unicum	2100 - 2450
Super Unicum	2450 - 9999

 

To put it simply for you though, PR is just a number that can be used to generally gauge how well someone / yourself is doing in a ship. I say general because PR has some flaws. For example, PR cannot differentiate between what you did the damage too (Obviously doing 20k damage to a destroyer is absolutely crippling him if not killing him, whereas doing 20k damage to a Conqeuror is borderline meaningless, but PR rewards them equally). Also, Say if you take 99% of someones health of but someone 'steals' the kill. Your PR is punished for this too. 

Over the long run, these things will mostly cancels themselves out though, for everytime you've had a kill stolen you likely steal someone elses, and every time you farm a BB you mess up a DD. So sample size is key, but yeah. Its just a general guide to how well you're doing.

 

I wouldn't really put too much weight into Co-op PR though. Basically the entire playerbase other than bots have purple stats there.

[Aragathor]

The only important thing is your enjoyment of the game, WR and PR are not.

 

[Piratenmaedchen]

Gerade eben, Aragathor sagte:

The only important thing is your enjoyment of the game, WR and PR are not.

Truth. But as you will face a lot of harassment if you are not doing well in an online game (at least that is my experience), enjoyment is partially dependent on being a decent player. So far, I am enjoying it. I will enjoy it even more as soon as I can hoist that shiny pirate flag for which I joined the game in the first place. Pirate game? I'm in! 

[Riggerby]

1 minute ago, Piratenmaedchen said:

Truth. But as you will face a lot of harassment if you are not doing well in an online game (at least that is my experience), enjoyment is partially dependent on being a decent player. So far, I am enjoying it. I will enjoy it even more as soon as I can hoist that shiny pirate flag for which I joined the game in the first place. Pirate game? I'm in! 

 

If you mean the mean the Jolly Roger for reaching rank 1 in Ranked battles, Unfortunately that was removed from the game a couple years ago.

I actually sent a ticket to wargaming support asking why it was removed, I wanted it too (haha), they basically said they had no idea and to ask the forums, so i asked the staff on here and they just flat out ignored me.

[Piratenmaedchen]

Gerade eben, Riggerby sagte:

If you mean the mean the Jolly Roger for reaching rank 1 in Ranked battles, Unfortunately that was removed from the game a couple years ago.

Don't know about that one, but I stumbled upon a post on FB that gave a code for a red pirate flag (for talk like a pirate day). Henry Every's signature flag, just in red instead of black.

[kfa]

Play 500 random battles first, than check your stats to see how you are doing. 

Coop stats (killing bots) mean nothing, but even in randoms you need a big enough sample size. 

[Riggerby]

Just now, Piratenmaedchen said:

Don't know about that one, but I stumbled upon a post on FB that gave a code for a red pirate flag (for talk like a pirate day). Henry Every's signature flag, just in red instead of black.

Ahhhh, Sorry, I thought you meant these ones
 

	Jolly Roger	Awarded for reaching Rank 1 in a season of Ranked Battles.	None.	"This flag, alongside dozens of other flags, was used by pirates in the 17th and 18th century. There was never a unified pirate flag. However, throughout the 19th and 21st century, a flag bearing a skull and crossbones has been associated with piracy."
	Jolly Roger II	Awarded for reaching Rank 1 in a season of Ranked Battles for a second time.	None.
	Jolly Roger III	Awarded for reaching Rank 1 in a season of Ranked Battles for a fourth time.	None.
	Jolly Roger IV	Awarded for reaching Rank 1 in a season of Ranked Battles for a sixth time.	None.

[Piratenmaedchen]

Gerade eben, Riggerby sagte:

Ahhhh, Sorry, I thought you meant these ones
 

	Jolly Roger	Awarded for reaching Rank 1 in a season of Ranked Battles.	None.	"This flag, alongside dozens of other flags, was used by pirates in the 17th and 18th century. There was never a unified pirate flag. However, throughout the 19th and 21st century, a flag bearing a skull and crossbones has been associated with piracy."
	Jolly Roger II	Awarded for reaching Rank 1 in a season of Ranked Battles for a second time.	None.
	Jolly Roger III	Awarded for reaching Rank 1 in a season of Ranked Battles for a fourth time.	None.
	Jolly Roger IV	Awarded for reaching Rank 1 in a season of Ranked Battles for a sixth time.	None.

Ohhh those look nice, too. But I won't put that much time and effort into this game, no way. The red one is the girly flag anyway. 

[_HomTanks_]

2 minutes ago, Piratenmaedchen said:

Ohhh those look nice, too. But I won't put that much time and effort into this game, no way. The red one is the girly flag anyway. 

These flags are not accessible anymore, anyway :) 

[Piratenmaedchen]

Vor 2 Minuten, Execute0rder66 sagte:

These flags are not accessible anymore, anyway :) 

This does remove the final bit of temptation, fortunately!

[kfa]

3 minutes ago, Piratenmaedchen said:

This does remove the final bit of temptation, fortunately!

Wait until you find out there are woman's day and valentines day flags and camos, so you can fully pimp your ships pink. 

[Panocek]

47 minutes ago, kfa said:

Wait until you find out there are woman's day and valentines day flags and camos, so you can fully pimp your ships pink. 

You were calling?

[Beastofwar]

1 hour ago, Aragathor said:

The only important thing is your enjoyment of the game, WR and PR are not.

 

 

Indeed.

 

All games are......games are no IRL accomplishments, count for nothing IRL and have no worth IRL.....games serve only enjoyment and passtime.

 

If you forget that......well you probably suffer. Judging on the many complaint and rant posts many actually do. Toxicness is a good indicator of suffering too i think. Or having the tendacy to try make others suffer attacking their "stats"

 

To start enjoying the game again if you were slipping away simply turn public stats off. And put "ignore user" on the hateful ones that must attack you on not public stats and let them suffer their own convictions. 

 

 

[eliastion]

Let's start by answering the main question:

PR is a compound stat including damage/match, kills/match and winrate (in this order of weight, damage being the most rewarded), every value calculated in relation to a slightly abstract "expected value" that's not quite the average value gained by people in specific ship, but you won't be very wrong thinking about it this way.

 

2 hours ago, Piratenmaedchen said:

From searching the forum I understood that PR is the important stat, even more than WR

You were misled. PR is supposed to be an aggregate stat that tells you something but it's actually useless, because it's extremely dependent on play-style, rewarding high damage values (and we're talking absolute number here, not % of target hp) and kill counts. And while it's good to have kills and deal damage, chasing these is often counter-productive as far as helping your team to win is concerned. The only good thing about PR is that you need less battles for it to show SOMETHING... but that something is just of so little value that you shouldn't bother.

 

Unfortunately, with the limited data that can be acquired from WoWs API, winrate is the only stat that matters - the other numbers are just a bit of commentary that might let you better understand your winrate.

 

Or, at the very least, that's the case for PvP. Admittedly, in coop even winrate doesn't matter, seeeing how victory is nigh-guaranteed and most people don't play seriously there. So, with this approach...

2 hours ago, Piratenmaedchen said:

I'm only playing coop, as PVP competition is boyz country

...if you are interested in stats, you should probably pick a stat you fancy (PR might not be the worst pick in this case but just taking kills might be nice too, seeing how in coop you spend more time racing your teammates for kills than truly struggling to win) and stick to improving that according to some self-imposed goals.

[That_Other_Nid]

I stopped paying attention to PR a while ago. There is a statistics page in your profile that tracks your progress. You can use that to judge where you need to improve. 

 

 

[Piratenmaedchen]

Vor 8 Stunden, Panocek sagte:

You were calling?

Yikes. Haven't seen those kind of paintjobs so far, but as I am sticking to my lowly V-25... when I got access to the armory, I saw that I can buy an even fancifuller camo (after buying that ship in question - what kind of offer is that?).

[Piratenmaedchen]

Vor 7 Stunden, eliastion sagte:

Or, at the very least, that's the case for PvP. Admittedly, in coop even winrate doesn't matter, seeeing how victory is nigh-guaranteed and most people don't play seriously there.

Thanks for the extensive explanation. So I can safely ignore any stats as long as I am in the upper half of the results tab. 

 

Regarding the claim that most people wouldn't play seriously there: Quite a lot of my teammates (humans more often that bots) are very seriously trying to kill me. They are more of a threat than the enemy team. I can merely imagine how bad it would be if there were two teams of human players. 

[Johnny_Moneto]

Vor 3 Stunden, Piratenmaedchen sagte:

Thanks for the extensive explanation. So I can safely ignore any stats as long as I am in the upper half of the results tab. 

 

If you only wanna play co-op you can safely ignore stats in any way. Nobody really cares for co-op stats.

 

BTW: The name co-op is deceiving. There hardly is co-operation found in this mode. Especially when loot can be gained through playing co-op. Then some players see team mates as their rivals and will attack them before attacking the enemy. Personally, however, I am attacked more often by bots on my team.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

3 hours ago, Piratenmaedchen said:

Thanks for the extensive explanation. So I can safely ignore any stats as long as I am in the upper half of the results tab. 

 

Regarding the claim that most people wouldn't play seriously there: Quite a lot of my teammates (humans more often that bots) are very seriously trying to kill me. They are more of a threat than the enemy team. I can merely imagine how bad it would be if there were two teams of human players. 

Stats don't matter in the game mode you currently play which is coop. 

You can change game modes by clicking on the coop icon in port and select a different one in the upcoming menu. 

 

Stats matter only if you plan on playing this game more seriously with like minded serious player. Otherwise you shouldn't feel the need to bother about them. PR is not a good indicator to go after as it varies in value depending on the class you play. PR for DDs matters less as PR for CVs for example. 

 

What you should look at is your winrate to determine your worth for your teams. 

Regardless it all depends on your mindset and how serious you want to take the game and how much you care about performing well. If you just want to have fun so whatever.