Finally!! The truth about this broken BB

[Puffin_]

 

[kfa]

Not gonna click 

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[DFens_666]

The BB version of smolensk.

Not really OP, yet totaly annoying. Balance the HE then its a fine ship.

[albin322]

i just think that video is so stupid 22 minutes crying that thunderer is op sure its good but not op.............

 

i have unsubscribed from that channel he pumps out so mutch material and allot is just taken from the air.......

[wot_2016_gunner]

5 minuti fa, albin322 ha scritto:

i just think that video is so stupid 22 minutes crying that thunderer is op sure its good but not op.............

 

i have unsubscribed from that channel he pumps out so mutch material and allot is just taken from the air.......

same, not even going to try to click 

[Beastofwar]

Drama generates clicks...

 

Toxicness too it seems...

[Hopeless_Guppy]

No doubt now it will get a nerf

[Lootboxer]

i just watched for a minute or two but then I've seen HE for 5k plus fire on a broadsiding Yoshino and it was enough for me since with AP it could be easily game over for Yoshino, but he can keep spamming HE and cry OP all - day long it is not.

The only broken thing is that one can spam HE all day long from the map border and still keep the star in ranked.

[Puffin_]

21 minutes ago, DariusJacek said:

i just watched for a minute or two but then I've seen HE for 5k plus fire on a broadsiding Yoshino and it was enough for me since with AP it could be easily game over for Yoshino, but he can keep spamming HE and cry OP all - day long it is not.

The only broken thing is that one can spam HE all day long from the map border and still keep the star in ranked.

This was his first match in Thunderer. He was just trying it out.

And this was the result in He spamming Thunderer. What a fine ship for the game

[Itwastuesday]

Well even if HE spamming isn't a big gamewinning thing necessarily, it's still a busted ship. Accurate, long ranged, 457 cal, fast reloading, fast moving, nimble and stealthy.

[Riggerby]

Thunderer is an iffy subject, One one hand she is absolutely hands down the strongest ship in the entire game when it comes to fighting at long range, She is the ultimate hard counter to Bow tanking cruisers and angled battleships. She can slam citadels through the bow of most cruisers and do 5-15k + 1-2 fires every 25s with her HE against anything. Its absolutely brutal damage output.

 

For all this raw Alpha and DOT damage she spits out though, She is extremely weak under sustained fire. She is almost entirely 32mm and her superstructure 19mm so HE absolutely slaughters her and the 457mm+ meta means she eats huge AP damage from practically any angle, and she lacks Conq's superheal to sustain this. She also feels like a brick. It takes an age for her to go from forward to reverse or vice versa and she has (I believe worst in class?) torpedo belt. Her only utility consumable is Def AA and its hardly good either.

 

In the context of ranked battles, this basically means you have got a ship which is completely and totally reliant on its team not melting. She is an excellent ship for saving a star but a bad choice for winning clutch games. If you are left alive against a DD or HE spammers or a GK within secondary range, its GG really.

 

The best way to describe her is, Someone has put the best guns at tier 10 on the worst battleship hull at tier 10. Because of that i don't think she is overpowered, she is just incredibly toxic to play against at medium to long range.

[ColonelPete]

1 hour ago, Puffin_ said:

 

Sure....

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20200905/eu_2month/average_ship_u.html

[Ubertron_X]

As in broken in half?

[Humorpalanta]

14 minutes ago, Puffin_ said:

This was his first match in Thunderer. He was just trying it out.

And this was the result in He spamming Thunderer. What a fine ship for the game

Did you see the video? I mean you watched it but did you SEE it?

- He was playing till the end. What you see is the action of 20 minutes.

- He did score a lot of damage and got a lot of fires but see my first point. It is 20 minutes.

- The enemy team barely touched him. He was shot like twice in the beginning and then at the end.

- You can notice that as soon as he was shot at he started losing a lot of HP. He was shot by 2 people for a short period of time the ship sank.

 

Conclusion: The enemy team was passive and very very baaaaad. Easy to score a lot.

Also he played it like a Conqueror. Only shooting HE. He could have scored a lot more if he used AP. For example on the Yoshino.

 

Thunderer is a very strong ship. Borderline OP. BUT it is easily sinkable. If he is far away from the action he might score big numbers but he won't be able to support his team and they will lose control and the game itself. If he closes in it is paper. Huuuuuge citadel, paper thin armor. Low HP. Not good heal. No secondaries.

It could lose some fire chance and/or range and could be easily balanced.

 

Still I would pick my Conqueror over this anytime. In the Conqueror you can simply look to the other direction when a Harugomo or a Smolensk tries to farm you. You can heal it back completely. Meanwhile Thunderer cannot. Both are sensitive against SAP as ITA cruisers can score huge damage on them. They have weak armor and big citadels. They can score high with good captains

 

BUT

 

They are NOWHERE near as OP as a Smolensk or a Petropavlosk or a Kremlin or a Stalin.

[Miragetank90]

22 minutes ago, Riggerby said:

The best way to describe her is, Someone has put the best guns at tier 10 on the worst battleship hull at tier 10. Because of that i don't think she is overpowered, she is just incredibly toxic to play against at medium to long range.

 

Meh, the hull has the best in tier rudder(tied with full-rudder legendary conq build) with an absolutely ridiculous 8.3 sec shift max, combined with the best stealth and an actually strong heal(which heals for more and on faster CD than the usual, even if it isn't conq level).

 

It's a little squishy but I wouldn't call it the worst hull or even a bad hull.

[Bear__Necessities]

Batten is a nice guy, but it's also does have it's weak points. And a thunderer is just as much a victim of HE as it dishes out. 

[Puffin_]

 Thunderer vs Slava

Which one is better?

We all know Slava is much harder to get.

[arquata2019_]

30 minuti fa, Miragetank90 ha scritto:

 

Meh, the hull has the best in tier rudder(tied with full-rudder legendary conq build) with an absolutely ridiculous 8.3 sec shift max, combined with the best stealth and an actually strong heal(which heals for more and on faster CD than the usual, even if it isn't conq level).

 

It's a little squishy but I wouldn't call it the worst hull or even a bad hull.

easy citadel on it with ap bombs

commonly i get 3 citadels out of 3 on hakuryu

[arquata2019_]

1 minuto fa, Puffin_ ha scritto:

 Thunderer vs Slava

Which one is better?

We all know Slava is much harder to get.

you can watch "RUSSIA GREATEST SNIPE MACHINE | SLAVA" by Yuro,  i highly reccomend it.

[Miragetank90]

4 minutes ago, arquata2019 said:

easy citadel on it with ap bombs

commonly i get 3 citadels out of 3 on hakuryu

 

It being easy is not limited to Thunderer. That's every BB except the french from Richelieu and above, so 

[Riggerby]

14 minutes ago, Miragetank90 said:

 

Meh, the hull has the best in tier rudder(tied with full-rudder legendary conq build) with an absolutely ridiculous 8.3 sec shift max, combined with the best stealth and an actually strong heal(which heals for more and on faster CD than the usual, even if it isn't conq level).

 

It's a little squishy but I wouldn't call it the worst hull or even a bad hull.

Ah, I'm not disputing anything you're saying here mate, But i think you have sort of, taken this point out of the wider context of what i what i was trying to get across.

 

I think the reason i can't call Thunderer OP is because she just melts too easily under fire, When the teams are thin and every ship has to pull their weight and try and make a winning play, Thunderer to me is too weak at that. She lacks that 'pushability' if you get me?. If your team Melts in thunderer, Sure, you can kite all the way to the map border, rack up 200k+, Arsonist, witherer, all that jazz, cool, fantastic. But the game is lost since objectives have been abandoned, Thunderer cannot push into those objectives. Her health just evaporates too quickly. 

 

I think she is in the same place as Smolensk in that in my opinion, she is just too reliant on her team. I think it is possible for a ship to be monstrously toxic and unhealthy for the game without it being overpowered. I don't think a ship that is Overpowered would be sitting on 50% winrate like Thunderer is or Smol on 49%. 

[arquata2019_]

Proprio ora, Miragetank90 ha scritto:

 

It being easy is not limited to Thunderer. That's every BB except the french from Richelieu and above, so 

i don't want to be boring, but i got double cit yesterday on a baguette :D

bourgogne i mean

[Miragetank90]

7 minutes ago, Riggerby said:

When the teams are thin and every ship has to pull their weight and try and make a winning play, Thunderer to me is too weak at that. She lacks that 'pushability' if you get me?

 

I agree and disagree at the same time, but yes, even though imo she can still absolutely flex and make the play when needed there are other ships you might rather have at those moments. 

 

That's why I prefer Ohio.

 

 

[CptBarney]

Shes loike georgia, strong when not focused and a somewhat above average team but unlike georgia has worse armour despite very good guns.

 

makes me wonder if weegee will add a 508 version at somepoint.