[BLSTR] Cloud_Striker [BLSTR] Players 15 posts 836 battles Report post #1 Posted September 20, 2020 Tosa (Tier VIII IJN Premium BB) Spoiler HP: 64,300Weapons: ⠀⠀⠀Main: 10 (5*2) 41 cm guns (Same guns and turrets as Nagato, just one more) ⠀⠀⠀Secondary: 20 single 14 cm guns ⠀⠀⠀Anti-Air: 4 single 7.62 cm AA guns (Maybe additional ones, those were everything that was listed) ⠀⠀⠀Torpedos: 2 (2*2) tubesArmor: ⠀⠀⠀Belt: 280 mm ⠀⠀⠀Deck: 102 mm ⠀⠀⠀Turrets: 229-305 mm ⠀⠀⠀Conning tower: 356 mmPropulsion: ⠀⠀⠀Top speed: 26.5 knots ⠀⠀⠀Power: 91,000 hp Not 100 sure on the soft stats like HP, dispersion and so on, but everything else is taken from the planned data on the Tosa class' Wikipedia article, and I think she would make for a very interesting addition to the game. 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RNBCD] The_White_Whale Players 283 posts 3,035 battles Report post #2 Posted September 20, 2020 You have the 14cm guns listed as DP but weren't those low angle mounts, especially being casemate mounted... Other than that it's a handome boat. But a 11" main belt on a T8 BB? Unless there's some impressive turtleback going on that could be a squishy experience, especially with a low-ish healthpool. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLSTR] Cloud_Striker [BLSTR] Players 15 posts 836 battles Report post #3 Posted September 20, 2020 I mostly thought that more of the same guns as Nagato at the same tier would be weird, so I put her at 8 instead of 7. The HP value was really pulled out of my butt here, maybe she would fulfill a similar long-range role as Nagato, offsetting her weak-ish armor. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[4PHUN] Aixin Players 1,084 posts 7,420 battles Report post #4 Posted September 20, 2020 Really I hated the nagato for having so few impact especially while being low tier Cuz of the crap Amor. I like the idea of the tosa but without at least some armor it won't be decent in the current meta. Also all t7 bbs got power crept by the sinOP really hard. Would be maybe a good idea to replace the nagato on t7 while nagato gets reworked( bit more armor) as a t7 premium. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLSTR] Cloud_Striker [BLSTR] Players 15 posts 836 battles Report post #5 Posted September 20, 2020 The armor values were taken straight from the class' Wikipedia page, so I think it'd be better to balance her through other means. I definitely could see her working as a Tier 7 instead, but again, this is just a rough draft. Thanks for the feedback! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[40-1] ZygZag Beta Tester, In AlfaTesters 837 posts Report post #6 Posted September 20, 2020 Anyway - I would like to see any new NIppon Kaigun ship - even the "never-finished-scuttled" ones :) 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[4PHUN] Aixin Players 1,084 posts 7,420 battles Report post #7 Posted September 20, 2020 Even if it doesn't belong here pls gib a akagi and some of the historical Cruiser designs please. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-URK-] wot_2016_gunner Players 2,588 posts 6,830 battles Report post #8 Posted September 20, 2020 well, her sister is already in game (Kaga); so Tosa does have potential. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RONIN] 22cm Beta Tester 6,377 posts 36,670 battles Report post #9 Posted September 20, 2020 Nah. Soon there will be more premium ships than normal ones. This game has more important aspects that need fixing, or it will flop. My personal feeling is that it already started to flop, and all this premium invasion is a last attempt of milking it. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-TFD-] Furius_Marius Players 268 posts 12,343 battles Report post #10 Posted September 20, 2020 I would like to see the Tosa in tier VIII. In a WWII refit version. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLSTR] Cloud_Striker [BLSTR] Players 15 posts 836 battles Report post #11 Posted September 20, 2020 Vor 5 Minuten, Furius_Marius sagte: I would like to see the Tosa in tier VIII. In a WWII refit version. A refit would kind of require her to have been finished to begin with, which sadly never happened. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[40-1] ZygZag Beta Tester, In AlfaTesters 837 posts Report post #12 Posted September 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, 22cm said: (...) My personal feeling is that it already started to flop, and all this premium invasion is a last attempt of milking it. unfortunatelly, but I have similar feelings. Although: 大日本帝国海軍 - 万歳! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-TFD-] Furius_Marius Players 268 posts 12,343 battles Report post #13 Posted September 20, 2020 23 minutes ago, Cloud_Striker said: A refit would kind of require her to have been finished to begin with, which sadly never happened. Amagi was unfinished and we have a WWII refit version in the game. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-URK-] wot_2016_gunner Players 2,588 posts 6,830 battles Report post #14 Posted September 20, 2020 there's actually this picture for a possible Tosa refit 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GaCommanderGice Players 307 posts 23,583 battles Report post #15 Posted September 20, 2020 Just what they did to Need for Speed World(EA). It just ended en all of our (thousands of) euro's just vanished.. Will be a very real possible outcome for this ftp game also :( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[H_FAN] Gnirf Players 3,293 posts 67,377 battles Report post #16 Posted September 20, 2020 Tosa its suitable to fit in a IJN BB split tree. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[O-R-P] Marblehead_1 Players 3,166 posts 36,674 battles Report post #17 Posted September 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, Gnirf said: Tosa its suitable to fit in a IJN BB split tree. Personally I just feel that Tosa should be battleship in split of IJN BB/BC where Tosa replaces Amagi in her previous and existing place. BC would start from TV with Kongo and TVI with Haruna 1944. IJN had so many projects with so many Yamato-class preliminary projects that tiers TVIII-IX are not a problem. Personally I'm more interested at Yamato preliminary projects than in Thielmann battleships to be honest. Kaga is TVIII premium on same case as Baltimore and Saipan are TVIII ships. Whole IJN BB tree needs refreshment like no other tree in game. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TF57] Fatal_Ramses Players 1,300 posts Report post #18 Posted September 20, 2020 Don't want to be the one to complain about adding additional Japanese ships to the game. BUT don't we already have pre-war Tosa in T7 (Ashitaga) and refit in T8 (Kii). I know the first is a battle-cruiser of the Amagi-class and second is a follow up of Tosa-class, but still? How would the Tosa differ from these two? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-TFD-] Furius_Marius Players 268 posts 12,343 battles Report post #19 Posted September 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Fatal_Ramses said: Don't want to be the one to complain about adding additional Japanese ships to the game. BUT don't we already have pre-war Tosa in T7 (Ashitaga) and refit in T8 (Kii). I know the first is a battle-cruiser of the Amagi-class and second is a follow up of Tosa-class, but still? How would the Tosa differ from these two? You answer yourself. Ashitaka is Amagi class battlecruiser. And Kii is a different class. You could introduce Tosa with a different flavour. 27 knots but better armor and better secondaries than Amagi. To play it more at mid range. Something like the Massa is to the North Carolina. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[O-R-P] Marblehead_1 Players 3,166 posts 36,674 battles Report post #20 Posted September 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, Fatal_Ramses said: Don't want to be the one to complain about adding additional Japanese ships to the game. BUT don't we already have pre-war Tosa in T7 (Ashitaga) and refit in T8 (Kii). I know the first is a battle-cruiser of the Amagi-class and second is a follow up of Tosa-class, but still? How would the Tosa differ from these two? Ashitaka is Amagi class Battlecruiser while Kiiclass battleship is another design having only anything common due to 8-8 plan. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PEZ] Yedwy Players 11,301 posts 39,586 battles Report post #21 Posted September 21, 2020 Tosa might be T7 but with 40s reload... Maybe even finally a IJN sec spec ship for a change... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLSTR] Cloud_Striker [BLSTR] Players 15 posts 836 battles Report post #22 Posted September 21, 2020 Vor 7 Stunden, Yedwy sagte: Tosa might be T7 but with 40s reload... Why that though? She already has pretty meh armor for her tier(Scharnhorst and Gneisenau have 350mm belt compared to Tosa's 280), why would you gimp her further? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PEZ] Yedwy Players 11,301 posts 39,586 battles Report post #23 Posted September 21, 2020 20 minutes ago, Cloud_Striker said: Why that though? She already has pretty meh armor for her tier(Scharnhorst and Gneisenau have 350mm belt compared to Tosa's 280), why would you gimp her further? This is why... Ashitaka has same 10 rifles, trades belt and HP for speed and that monstrous broadside... And then we have Tosa that carries torps and is slower so wont be a runner - needs better plate and also unique flavor... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLSTR] Cloud_Striker [BLSTR] Players 15 posts 836 battles Report post #24 Posted September 21, 2020 Vor 1 Stunde, Yedwy sagte: This is why... Ashitaka has same 10 rifles, trades belt and HP for speed and that monstrous broadside... And then we have Tosa that carries torps and is slower so wont be a runner - needs better plate and also unique flavor... If anything, this would be another point in favor of my original idea to have Tosa at Tier VIII. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PEZ] Yedwy Players 11,301 posts 39,586 battles Report post #25 Posted September 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, Cloud_Striker said: If anything, this would be another point in favor of my original idea to have Tosa at Tier VIII. Well we already have Kii and Amagi clones there, she would still need unique flavor, besides the 26.5 kt speed is not bad at T7 but not so good at T8 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
