Is Goliath is underrating ?

[Eikkuu]

Hello guys ! I saw Goliath's stat today and l feel like she's underrating...She's good HE with fire chance and AP, look ok and 58.600 life point look great too like her torpedoes, but no smoke or radar and law range. But she look great what do you think ?

[Humorpalanta]

If it is anything like any other on the line thennits garbage and no wonder noone plays it.

[Eikkuu]

Il y a 3 minutes, Humorpalanta a dit :

If it is anything like any other on the line thennits garbage and no wonder noone plays it.

Like other british ship on the line is garbage ? (I know Hawking is very hard...)

[Aragathor]

3 minutes ago, Humorpalanta said:

If it is anything like any other on the line thennits garbage and no wonder noone plays it.

The whole line feels like it's made to be bad.

[Eikkuu]

À l'instant, Aragathor a dit :

The whole line feels like it's made to be bad.

Oh l saw, that why no one play her.

[Bratoev]

Dunno I spent too little time in the Goliath in 2 resets. Now i'm back at the Drake and its a joyride. After playing around they suit me with double rudder mod.

 

Play it like the British Empire. Fight Inferiors and anything that resists gets burned to the waterline while you dodge like a madman. AP is for late game cruiser work.

[Eikkuu]

Il y a 1 minute, Bratoev a dit :

Dunno I spent too little time in the Goliath in 2 resets. Now i'm back at the Drake and its a joyride. After playing around they suit me with double rudder mod.

 

Play it like the British Empire. Fight Inferiors and anything that resists gets burned to the waterline while you dodge like a madman. AP is for late game cruiser work.

Well l wanna try to grind this line or the Nevsky line, Goliath look ok bue there better that what l see.

 

[Bad_Players_Are_Toxic]

I got the tier 8 for free in the event thing. HATED IT. Hated the tier 9 even more and free xp'd about 150k through it. 

 

After 8 battles in the Goliath, she still ''feels'' weak for some reason. I'm not sure why i feel that way because she seems tankier by far and performs a lot better for me than all the rest in comparison. 8 battles is a small data set though so time will tell.

 

[rage1750]

Currently at Drake, I can only play her after a few beers.

Playing Drake is a traumatic experience, I may have to FXP to make the misery end and obtain Goliath.

Cant help but feel Goliath will be equally as bad.

[kfa]

There are a lot better firestarters in this game, and lot tankier cruisers as well. And some russian ships even have both with 12km radar... 

[janneman77]

Goliath, Drake and Albemarle have a great heal. if you are a player who is able to survive to the end of the game often. 

then these ships can give hp advantage in the end 

[Eikkuu]

Il y a 3 minutes, But_Can_You_Meme a dit :

I got the tier 8 for free in the event thing. HATED IT. Hated the tier 9 even more and free xp'd about 150k through it. 

 

After 8 battles in the Goliath, she still ''feels'' weak for some reason. I'm not sure why i feel that way because she seems tankier by far and performs a lot better for me than all the rest in comparison. 8 battles is a small data set though so time will tell.

 

Like her citadel is very hight and she's doesn't have radar or mor maybe then others. 

 

Il y a 1 minute, kfa a dit :

There are a lot better firestarters in this game, and lot tankier cruisers as well. And some russian ships even have both with 12km radar... 

Thank you that why she's look so weak so sadly...

[Bad_Players_Are_Toxic]

Just now, Az_Akagi said:

Like her citadel is very hight

The one thing i've noticed are the lack of broadside citidels i've recieved even when pulling suicidal turns.

 

However, that has been pure luck on my part or the armour is trollish. As you can see the citidel is easy to reach. There's is also a forward facing ''step'' on the citidel making frontal citidels a worry aswell as one on the back.

[Bratoev]

Out of curiosity what captain builds and mods do you guys run?

[Lootboxer]

The whole line is like a  revenge for British sanctions after Litvinenko's death.

Italians at least lead to good t8, better t9 and very nice t10, here there is nothing interesting or special.

[Bad_Players_Are_Toxic]

Just now, Bratoev said:

Out of curiosity what captain builds and mods do you guys run?

Retraining a commander and only at 16 points atm. Not sure what my last 3 will go on. Either BoS or EM + PM.

 

Mods/Equipment:

[Maris_Piper]

The Royal Navy Heavy Cruiser line was one of my most anticipated in the game, I was so gutted at what was released, I bought the Cheshire it totaly sucks beyond  anything I ever purchased out of the premium shop, I only have one of the- new release in port  now and  that is HMS London, The British cruisers were proven in battle, had been designed to have extra armour fitted had good range and firepower very high tech period Radar yet WG released Nutered Toothless Pussy Cats then followed up with their own BS powered  Fairy tale fleet. and I'm still Fuming over it.

PS> Just my own Humble Opinion of Course, Feel free to correct me but I Won't Listen On This One :))

[Captain_Breeze]

55 minutes ago, Humorpalanta said:

If it is anything like any other on the line thennits garbage and no wonder noone plays it.

So you have not played it, why comment then. 

[CptBarney]

Smoll @HaachamaShipping knows a lot about royal navy ships (judging from posts anyways). Could tell you a lot more about why the goliath isn't so great compared to drake and her tier 10 counterparts.

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@motor_g_b I was hoping for the admiral with 3 quad turrets and i think 234mm's giving them good AP, but i guess avg HE with a decent heal (or the same heal the line has now) and remove the werid step citadel for the higher tier CA's and maybe gib them thickier armour at the cost of mobility or concealment. (it was a design i saw on secretprojects awhile back ill post the link when i can find the images again).

 

shame.

 

[Captain_Breeze]

Well, it's all a matter of opinion really. Personally I found the Goliath to be quit good.

 

Some people underestimate her and then pay the price for doing so.

 

She is a superb fire starter with a great heal. She does not need smoke and the torps can be a treat. 

[HaachamaShipping]

For more lengthier review of mine on the topic of British heavy cruisers, I will refer to this thread and my posts therein.

 

Anyway, yes, RN CAs are generally at least solid. The two weakest ships in the line would be Hawkins and Albemarle, but mostly because Hawkins is hard to do good damage with with its turret angles, while the Albemarle gets easily citpenned when overmatched. In the right circumstances, even these two can be very strong. Goliath at the end is maybe not the ship some people wanted, but it works and even if Flamu says it's a ship without role, Goliath is a ship that imo fits the realities an HE spammer has to deal with in 2020. It has good HE pen, good armour and a massive hp pool, meaning it can ignore all but Kremlin main deck plating and some FdG parts, while tanking like a champ. Though I guess a good part of her good stats come from how abysmal the reputation of the line is, as people just dismiss it altogether and those that stick around more likely are those who actually see what the ships can be good for.

 

But hey, it also only needed a whole CB season of Venezias crapping all over the other cruisers to convince people that Italians aren't a joke and yet people still think that up to tier 8 if not up to tier 10 the line is garbage. 

8 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

Smoll @HaachamaShipping knows a lot about royal navy ships (judging from posts anyways). Could tell you a lot more about why the goliath isn't so great compared to drake and her tier 10 counterparts.

Goliath is tier for tier worse than Drake imo, but that's because Drake is awesome, not because the Goliath is a bad tier 10 cruiser. Compared to other tier 10 cruisers, Goliath is still a very capable ship.

[CptBarney]

Ahh that reminds me of the french heavy situation where the tier 10 is still a pretty good tank and can be a beast, but the tier 9 just fairs much better overall. (The non-autoloading line).

[Miragetank90]

1 hour ago, HaachamaShipping said:

But hey, it also only needed a whole CB season of Venezias crapping all over the other cruisers to convince people that Italians aren't a joke and yet people still think that up to tier 8 if not up to tier 10 the line is garbage. 

 

It's funny how everyone changed their minds about that overnight right?

Pepega playerbase. What more is there to say. 

 

I still remember the ''ThEy cAN'T eVen StaRt FirEs! UsEleSS!!!11!'' comments.

[Maris_Piper]

9 minutes ago, Miragetank90 said:

Pepega playerbase. What more is there to say. 

Harsh indeed, Fickle would be much nicer than calling players Pepega but Hey Your part of the player base the same as I.

[lafeel]

I do belive the term you are looking for sir/ma'am is "under rated" @Az_Akagi and the answer is yes, in fact the entire line is, apart from Hawkins, which is *edited*