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I started the french BB line but dont understand what their strong point is, bad dispersion and bad armor, i am overlooking something?!

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Never played those, but from T6 upwards they're all at least decent.

 

Later on it's good speed (T6-T10), many guns (T6,T7,T9) or/and fast shells with high pen (especially T10), decent AA (T8 -T10) and usable HE (T6-T10).

 

All of them are vulnerable to HE but they have trolly armor against AP.

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Bretange i think is the worst Tier 5 bb and probs one of the worst BB's tier for tier. The other two seem average at best probs maybe above average. But yeah very squishy, the line really picks up at normandie and above.

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Haven't played them yet but my advice for you on these BBs that you find "bad" is to just skip with free xp since its only tiers 3 to 5, or maybe skip tier 3 and 4 and the double cv madness and play tier 5 to tier 6 and just deal with it.

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Bretagne and below are just some ships that you have to stomach (adapt and overcome). Grind them in co-op.

Do not count too much on the french Lidl turtleback and the turrets are flat and are very easy to incapacitate.

Normandie is fast and with good range, however you have to show almost full broadside if you want to shoot all 12x13.4" guns.

Lyon is a bit slower and has shorter range than Normandie. You have 16x13.4", however they are very inaccurate. The turrets have a bit better firing angles, but still you have to show a lot of broadside.

Richelieu, Alsace and Republique have 32mm armor all over, which makes you the prime target for anything HE. They also have speed boost and the ever present Lidl turtleback and wonky dispersion.

RIchelieu's and Alsace's 380mm guns do not overmatch much at tier 8+.

Republique's 430mm guns (capable of overmatching 30mm) are nothing special anymore, since WG started introducing 457mm ships.

 

Honestly you do will lose any sleep if you would drop the line.

 

The only reason i am playing the french BBs is because i got them during the respective early access event.

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23 minutes ago, Origin47 said:

 

Republique's 430mm guns (capable of overmatching 30mm) are nothing special anymore, since WG started introducing 457mm ships.

 

 

Besides Slava, i think Republiques guns are the most consistent and strongest guns in the game. Ballistics, accuracy and penetration power are very good. 

 

Overmatch is honestly overrated, especially in Randoms. Granted they have a reload booster, but JB and Bourgogne are amongst the best BBs in their tier and they only have 380s.

 

 

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43 minutes ago, Origin47 said:

Bretagne and below are just some ships that you have to stomach (adapt and overcome). Grind them in co-op.

Do not count too much on the french Lidl turtleback and the turrets are flat and are very easy to incapacitate.

Normandie is fast and with good range, however you have to show almost full broadside if you want to shoot all 12x13.4" guns.

Lyon is a bit slower and has shorter range than Normandie. You have 16x13.4", however they are very inaccurate. The turrets have a bit better firing angles, but still you have to show a lot of broadside.

Richelieu, Alsace and Republique have 32mm armor all over, which makes you the prime target for anything HE. They also have speed boost and the ever present Lidl turtleback and wonky dispersion.

RIchelieu's and Alsace's 380mm guns do not overmatch much at tier 8+.

Republique's 430mm guns (capable of overmatching 30mm) are nothing special anymore, since WG started introducing 457mm ships.

 

Honestly you do will lose any sleep if you would drop the line.

 

The only reason i am playing the french BBs is because i got them during the respective early access event.

Except the Germans all BBs are squishy and the French ones follows suite 

Normandie it's an ok ship, i like it. Not firing the third turret it's not the end of the world, and firing only one turret, you get the same as half of Bismarck.

I would prefer super firing turrets, i'm not a big fan of this kind of setup.

But more than the firing angles, i think the major drawback, it's the lack of AA. 

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2 hours ago, CptBarney said:

Bretange i think is the worst Tier 5 bb and probs one of the worst BB's tier for tier. The other two seem average at best probs maybe above average. But yeah very squishy, the line really picks up at normandie and above.

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Bretagne use the exact same guns and shells as the Normandie and Lyon does, just on a far worse platform?

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Gerade eben, lafeel sagte:

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Bretagne use the exact same guns and shells as the Normandie and Lyon does, just on a far worse platform?

Yes Bretagne uses the same 340mm Guns.

Bretagne has 10 Guns in a 5X2 Standard Layout, slow Speed as almost all BBs at that Tier. All in all a Decent Ship but nothing Special.

Normandie has 12 Guns in a 3X4 Layout, Fast Ship but with weak AA. This is a Good Ship

Lyon has 16 Guns in a 4X4 Layout, Fast Ship with good AA. This is a Good Ship

 

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Turenne is a T3 BB and I think that sums it up. Could not get on with Courbet myself. I actually quite enjoy Bretagne tbh, as T5 BBs go.

 

Normandie and Lyon are very much better (though Normandie for me has awkward firing angles and Dunkerque is much more fun). Looking forward to the rest...

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5 minutes ago, doerhoff_damian said:

Bretagne has 10 Guns in a 5X2 Standard Layout, slow Speed as almost all BBs at that Tier. All in all a Decent Ship but nothing Special.

 

For what (little) it is worth Bretagne also has pretty decent AA as I recall..

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3 hours ago, lafeel said:

For what (little) it is worth Bretagne also has pretty decent AA as I recall..

For what little it is worth, yes. Still doesn't mean crap. Would still pick it as a target for Swordfish bombers because I know I can pen the deck with the crappy bombs for some nice amount of damage.

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5 minutes ago, HaachamaShipping said:

For what little it is worth, yes. Still doesn't mean crap. Would still pick it as a target for Swordfish bombers because I know I can pen the deck with the crappy bombs for some nice amount of damage.

Aye. As she doesn't have the agility needed to dodge them, nor the highly resistant torpedo belt to just take the hits.

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Just now, lafeel said:

Aye. As she doesn't have the agility needed to dodge them, nor the highly resistant torpedo belt to just take the hits.

I mean, anything at T5 is a torp target for a Swordfish. Not everything is a good carpet bomb target. Ark Royal Swordfish carpet bombers with 19 mm pen are pretty good against softer targets, most BBs are only going to give you a few fires and superstructure pens, as for example Kongou has way too much deck armour on the midsection. But on Bretagne, you pen the deck, superstructure and get fires.

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7 minutes ago, HaachamaShipping said:

I mean, anything at T5 is a torp target for a Swordfish. Not everything is a good carpet bomb target. Ark Royal Swordfish carpet bombers with 19 mm pen are pretty good against softer targets, most BBs are only going to give you a few fires and superstructure pens, as for example Kongou has way too much deck armour on the midsection. But on Bretagne, you pen the deck, superstructure and get fires.

Also that nine knots of extra speed makes the Kongou a much harder target to lead.

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Just now, lafeel said:

Also that nine knots of extra speed makes the Kongou a much harder target to lead.

Not really. Swordfish bombers are easy as hell to lead, the torps are easier to hit on Kongo, because of the worse turning circle radius. Not by much though. Overall, no BB is "hard to hit" for some of the most maneuverable planes in the game.

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3 minutes ago, HaachamaShipping said:

Not really. Swordfish bombers are easy as hell to lead, the torps are easier to hit on Kongo, because of the worse turning circle radius. Not by much though. Overall, no BB is "hard to hit" for some of the most maneuverable planes in the game.

Was also one of the most maneuverable torpedo bombers ever built, which was why it was so successfull, and it's intended replacements not so much.

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9 hours ago, lafeel said:

Was also one of the most maneuverable torpedo bombers ever built, which was why it was so successfull, and it's intended replacements not so much.

The Swordfish's versatility kept it in use - its ability to carry torpedoes, rockets, radar - as well as the fact that it could fly off an escort carrier's deck in an Atlantic swell and be recovered afterwards. In situations where it could encounter opposition fighters it was hopelessly outclassed (see the Channel Dash for details). 

 

The thing about the Albacore (which the game never lets it do) was that it was capable of dive bombing. Rather like the Skua - the first carrier based place to sink an enemy warship  - the game places national flavour over the actual capabilities of the planes.

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14 hours ago, lafeel said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Bretagne use the exact same guns and shells as the Normandie and Lyon does, just on a far worse platform?

Normandie has much better shells than Bretagne (much lower drag, slightly better Krupp)

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They are slow and cumbersome, as most dreadnoughts, Bretagne is not so bad as she at least has range but Normandie and above are much nicer experience...

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Bretagne had very good AA for tier 5 before the CV rework, and it was a great choice for playing in a division with a tier 5 CV. These days though... igood main battery, decent AA and decent secondaries, but it has nothing to get excited about. It's too slow to be fun.

 

And Turenne and Courbet are the same -- I don't think anybody returns to them for fun. However, they are worth it since the line has some great, fun ships in the high tiers:

 

Lyon is a meme ship with the most ridiculous broadside in game. Richelieu is unique with the all-guns-forward layout and great speed. Alsace and République combine great secondaries with the great speed. They all suffer from poor dispersion, but you can use the speed to get into protected positions up close.

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17 hours ago, ZifTTroll said:

Haven't played them yet but my advice for you on these BBs that you find "bad" is to just skip with free xp since its only tiers 3 to 5, or maybe skip tier 3 and 4 and the double cv madness and play tier 5 to tier 6 and just deal with it.

I think that is something that WG have in place for WoWS and WoT (not sure about WoWP as I didn't play that for very long) - that is have some bad ships in the line even further up the tier chain.  As ZifTTroll has posted this is to encourage players to use up some free XP to ease the pain.   I think the Izumo is an example of that although it was buffed after a long time.

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