PSA: Clans trading steel in CvC 9

[YabbaCoe]

Commanders!
After the 9th season of Clan Battles, we performed a clan check. We received clear evidence that players of panzer vor massively and repeatedly transferred access to their accounts during this competitive mode. Such actions violate paragraphs 5.2.1, 5.2.2, 5.2.3. EULA (link) and paragraphs 4.16 and 12.1 of the Game Rules (link). And just as importantly, such actions undermine the principles of fair play and competition in Clan Battles.

In light of this, we have decided, in accordance with paragraph 13 of the Clan Rules (link), to disband this clan, which entails the loss of all achievements, rating, and naval base. Also, soon the steel received as a result of participation in the ninth season of clan battles by this clan will be removed from the players' accounts. If a player has spent the steel, any ship purchased with said steel will be removed, and the difference will be refunded. If the steel has been converted to coal and a ship was purchased with said coal, the ship will likewise be removed. These actions will not be subject to appeal.

This situation will not affect the clans that played against this clan in any way. The results of your games with them will not be affected. All measures concern only the clan which violated the rules.

Now we will limit ourselves to this, but in case of further violations, we will take more serious measures, up to complete blocking of the accounts of all involved.

Thank you for your attention!

[JennyTheBelgian]

These side effects of Server Migration are probably the worst thing that happened to this game in recent time. On behalf of (I hope) the entire community, many thanks for finally taking action on the matter. They'll presumably outright buy another semi-inactive clan and restart everything in a week-time, just like the SEA clan you disbanded not too long ago for the same reasons, but it's a good sign nonetheless.

[LeAzur]

Finally .. nice to hear 

[viceadmiral123]

Good job.

 

1 hour ago, YabbaCoe said:

After the 9th season of Clan Battles, we performed a clan check.

Is this done across the board, or is there need for reports by players?

[MrConway]

Just now, viceadmiral123 said:

Good job.

 

Is this done across the board, or is there need for reports by players?

 

We do this across the board, but if you know of any specific violations please do feel free to message us, as it will help us look in the right direction.

 

All such reports will of course be treated confidentially.

[RenamedUser_12093_1992]

Excellent as least now people will know that no matter how good your clan is you will be punished the same. 

[REEEdamel]

@MrConway since this screenshot is going around, can you please make an official statement on that?

 

Our clan had nothing to do with said violations!

[MrConway]

6 minutes ago, REEEdamel said:

@MrConway since this screenshot is going around, can you please make an official statement on that?

 

Our clan had nothing to do with said violations!

 

Our apologies for this, I can confirm that [SN3K] does not have any sanctions applied to them, they were initially accidentally included based on a single former clan member's actions.

[BilibiliTV_KnightStorm]

1 hour ago, YabbaCoe said:

Such actions violate paragraphs 5.2.1, 5.2.2, 5.2.3. EULA (link)

Can't find such a section.
Because I live in Australia?

 

4.16 refer to account leveling and selling or any other commercial activity;

 

12.1. The direct sale of places/slots in clans for obtaining game items, achievements or any other type of profit is prohibited. This includes any type of joining or membership fees which are not established within the mechanics of the game.

 

Do you mean VOR trade steel during clan battle seasons?

 

[MrConway]

11 minutes ago, BilibiliTV_KnightStorm said:

Can't find such a section.
Because I live in Australia?

 

4.16 refer to account leveling and selling or any other commercial activity;

 

12.1. The direct sale of places/slots in clans for obtaining game items, achievements or any other type of profit is prohibited. This includes any type of joining or membership fees which are not established within the mechanics of the game.

 

Do you mean VOR trade steel during clan battle seasons?

 

 

I corrected the link to the EULA.

 

If you want to know specifics about why your clan was sanctioned, please contact me via PM.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

22 minutes ago, BilibiliTV_KnightStorm said:

12.1. The direct sale of places/slots in clans for obtaining game items, achievements or any other type of profit is prohibited. This includes any type of joining or membership fees which are not established within the mechanics of the game.

 

Do you mean VOR trade steel during clan battle seasons?

 

 

The title says it. 

 

And if I understand the OP correctly, it states that there is evidence that people gave their accounts to [VOR] players who then earned rewards for them. If that included adding these accounts to the Clan, it's clear why it is being disbanded, as the leadership must have been involved. 

[BilibiliTV_KnightStorm]

4 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

The title says it. 

 

And as the OP states, there seems to be evidence that people gave their accounts to [VOR] players who then earned rewards for them. If that included adding these accounts to the Clan, it's clear why it is being disbanded, as the leadership must have been involved. 

Except saying: ‘massively and repeatedly transferred access to their accounts’, the announcement did not mention anything about steel trading.

 

This is why it confuses me.

 

Or maybe there is no evidence for steel trading.

 

 

[konean]

Be happy thats only the clan gone and some ressources, other games would also perma bann the involved accounts. 

[Takina_Inoue_Lycoris]

16 minutes ago, BilibiliTV_KnightStorm said:

Except saying: ‘massively and repeatedly transferred access to their accounts’, the announcement did not mention anything about steel trading.

 

This is why it confuses me.

 

Or maybe there is no evidence for steel trading.

 

 

I think they are not talking about steel trading, they disband VOR because account sharing

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

17 minutes ago, BilibiliTV_KnightStorm said:

Except saying: ‘massively and repeatedly transferred access to their accounts’, the announcement did not mention anything about steel trading.

 

This is why it confuses me.

 

Or maybe there is no evidence for steel trading.

 

Yeah the OP is strangely worded and hard to understand. 

 

The only explanation I can come up with is that the VOR players who transferred access to their accounts only got into the clan by trading "goods" (presumably money) in the return for Steel. The latter would then be earned by "real" VOR players with access to said accounts. 

[BilibiliTV_KnightStorm]

1 minute ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

Yeah the OP is strangely worded and hard to understand. 

 

The only explanation I can come up with is that the VOR players who transferred access to their accounts only got into the clan by trading "goods" in the return for steel etc. The latter would then be earned by "real" VOR players with access to said accounts. 

Well, as a member of the clan, I can check the resource transfer history of the clan.

 

Can't really find such a thing on the resource transfer history.

 

Still waiting for the staff reply via PM.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

1 minute ago, BilibiliTV_KnightStorm said:

Can't really find such a thing on the resource transfer history.

 

As I said, it reads to me that it was not transferred from the treasury and instead earned by playing. 

 

1.Give money. 

2.Get into Clan. 

3.People from said Clan play your account and earn the Steel. 

 

[mcboernester]

Kinda surprised that "the other asian clan" (dont wanna get accused of name and shame)  isn't affected by this. From my understanding this isn't about "steel trading" but account sharing which was already proven for them on the last KotS. Therefore i kinda doubt that they didn't do something similar while playing CB here. 
 

[BilibiliTV_KnightStorm]

3 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

As I said, it reads to me that it was not transferred from the treasury and instead earned by playing. 

 

1.Give money. 

2.Get into Clan. 

 3.People from said Clan play your account and earn the Steel. 

 

Ok, I get what u are talking about, which makes sense. That's the thing I cannot tell if its true or not.

 

Now I am wondering if using VPN to gain a better connection to EU server is an issue.

 

Playing EU server with no VPN is a pain in the ***, cos I live in South Australia.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

10 minutes ago, BilibiliTV_KnightStorm said:

Playing EU server with no VPN is a pain in the ***, cos I live in South Australia.

 

Just out of interest - how does a VPN help with that?

Aren't you just putting an additional server in the way?

[BilibiliTV_KnightStorm]

1 minute ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

Just out of interest - why does a VPN help with that?

Aren't you just putting an additional server in the way?

That was for avoiding lag in the game.

 

Without VPN I got frequent 'red lights' on the upper left.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

Just now, BilibiliTV_KnightStorm said:

That was for avoiding lag in the game.

 

Without VPN I got frequent 'red lights' on the upper left.

 

But how would a VPN avoid the lag?

It doesn't create less distance or a more direct connection from you to the game server, does it? I would think that it could only make it slower, but maybe there's something I'm missing here? 

[definitely_Noc_a_CV_main]

Vor 2 Minuten, __Helmut_Kohl__ sagte:

 

But how would a VPN avoid the lag?

It doesn't create less distance or a more direct connection from you to the game server, does it? I would think that it could only make it slower, but maybe there's something I'm missing here? 

You are actually missing something here:
VPNs can reduce lag since the reroute your traffic through a different network. Said routing might be faster than your initial routing from your typical internet provider. So there are scenarios where a VPN might increase your ping time.

[Zen71_sniper]

27 minutes ago, BilibiliTV_KnightStorm said:

Playing EU server with no VPN is a pain in the ***, cos I live in South Australia.

Not commenting on anything else,  but this is true.

 

I play from Africa and for some reason (in fact, following ping tracer you can see where, but it is not important...) a delay happened and number of dropped packets starts increasing. Connect via VPN, it follows another link and you have a good connection.

 

Ping increases a bit, but it is negligible. 

 

Also sometimes, loading stops on "waiting for authorisation" - connect via VPN and voila, the problem is gone.

 

 

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

9 minutes ago, definitely_Noc_a_CV_main said:

You are actually missing something here:
VPNs can reduce lag since the reroute your traffic through a different network. Said routing might be faster than your initial routing from your typical internet provider. So there are scenarios where a VPN might increase your ping time.

 

Yeah maybe. 

Or maybe people use it to hide account sharing. 

 

I guess WG decided to believe the latter when looking at the whole picture. 

 

The remaining bit of uncertainty could be the reason why the players involved are just getting a clap on the hand and not losing their accounts... 

 

But that's all speculation.