steel is worthless, hord rp's!

[MrWastee]

....and with upcoming additions my bet is steel will be rendered even more worthless. with, at some point, may even getting out of the game and being fully replaced with coal solely? i mean, rp's are so much more convenient to wg, aren't they?

 

steel:

by now easily obtainable by several means. dont wanna play competetive? fine, boost some directives and alike and essentially indirectly buy it for money...

 

rp's:

by now only obtainable by regrinding lines (and a few from dailies), with a high probaility to spent free xp? or to spent a lot of sigs and camos? or to wait 3 months for the next multilpier, so gotta wait like 9 months(lol!) to get a new shiny if one only wanna go with multipliers? no words about the tons of credits?

 

ranked and cb seasons are kinda up permanently in comparison to first years, steel is allaround and not too lots to buy with.... rp's are the true mill they wanna see us in. everyone can participate, winning doesnt mean anything and stuborness wins.... sounds like the perfect concept for most of the playerbase lol...

 

atm the rb, with ohio, colbert, siegfried and slava, holds 4 of the most potential ships on higher tiers. now if i look at the steel ships with stalingrad, shikishima, somers and bourgogne, (one more?)... and somehow one gotta make such a comparison, right?... i'm not in the impression steel is the "leading" currency here. the one that got announced as the "competetive currency".... it's rp's lol....

 

dont get me wrong! steel ships are very good ships, without a doubt! the rb ones are just more dedicated in their roles i'd say and overall make better material for competetive scene.... only exception being stalingrad (ofc lol), but that's mainly because out of the whole it's the 1st one.

 

 

my bet: we'll see more and more rb ships, with a less addition of steel ones in the same time. i'm kinda sure the rb ones will be the "better" ones overall. up to even at some point steel getting removed fully, ships are split into coal and rb ships and steel simply converted into coal.

 

just a mindplay, but one i gotta say on:   me   no   gusto

what u guys think?

[Hades_warrior]

Yea no thanks, i'll pass. Not a fan of RP.

Edit: im gonna waste my to get 250k free EXP and thats all.

[Animalul2012]

Most useless currency in the game along with the clan/ranked tokens. Stalingrad and Bourgogne are the only ships worth the steel but if you have those what else can you do with steel? NOTHING AND NO I AM NOT GOING TO SPEND STEEL ON COAL SHIPS. They need to introduce other valuable items that are available in exchange for steel been telling them for years. 

They added camouflages but they do not provide any increased bonuses in comparison to the premium ones.(same story applies to the clan/ranked tokens).

ADD doubloons to buy with steel, interesting premium ships available for limited time(how about kutuzov,irian,missoury,gremiaschy,-does not need to be OP premiums like belfast,cesare,kamikaze it can be unique ones and while we are at it why not add Baije or AL sovetsky soyuz?)

Premium time for steel in exchange is also an option or even the ability to exchange it for a hefty amount of free experience( more than 500k)

Meanwhile coal gains you access to module upgrades,strong/OP ships like thunderer,georgia,old smolensk, flags,camouflages and bloody special captains and do not forget containers. 

Steel=CACO.

[DFens_666]

36 minutes ago, MrWastee said:

my bet: we'll see more and more rb ships, with a less addition of steel ones in the same time. i'm kinda sure the rb ones will be the "better" ones overall. up to even at some point steel getting removed fully, ships are split into coal and rb ships and steel simply converted into coal.

 

They might not remove Steel, but let Steel be converted to Coal or get other useless stuff for steel (*cough* camos). Steel would basicly just be a coal supplement, to get more of it by playing ranked/CBs.

[WgPlsNerfYoshino]

As any other game editor, WG want you to play their game, and maybe at some point throw some money at it. Adding more and more kind of different ressources to get and grind in order to obtain some fancy stuff is just a mean among others to do so (i.e. keep you playing).

 

On the other hand though, you're not compelled to get those. I'm not interested in steel ships (for now, already own the ones I wanted) and I'm waaaaaay to lazy to even click on the regrind buttons. It won't kill me not getting a brand new Slava however.

 

I still kinda agree with you on the most part :)

[Humorpalanta]

17 minutes ago, MTBD_NOX said:

As any other game editor, WG want you to play their game, and maybe at some point throw some money at it. Adding more and more kind of different ressources to get and grind in order to obtain some fancy stuff is just a mean among others to do so (i.e. keep you playing).

 

On the other hand though, you're not compelled to get those. I'm not interested in steel ships (for now, already own the ones I wanted) and I'm waaaaaay to lazy to even click on the regrind buttons. It won't kill me not getting a brand new Slava however.

 

I still kinda agree with you on the most part :)

The question is if you want to look like a p3n1s for your customers or not.

 

Because WG has been behaving one of the worst of all the gaming companies and this behaviour will make many players stay away from the paywall.

 

I mean we are at a time where EA is acting like a caring publisher and WG is being WG.

 

You can make money the nice way or the not nice way. It is just a question of ethics.

 

Like Paradox even though is selling a lot of DLC-s is considered to be a very likeable publisher because they don't want to milk you while WG just wants to milk you.

 

They could still use only 1 or 2 resources like FXP and Coal and release a lot of ships and in that case I would definitely spend money on the game but with the continously changing economy... No thanks...

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

1 hour ago, MrWastee said:

steel:

by now easily obtainable by several means. dont wanna play competetive? fine, boost some directives and alike and essentially indirectly buy it for money...

 

rp's:

by now only obtainable by regrinding lines (and a few from dailies), with a high probaility to spent free xp? or to spent a lot of sigs and camos? or to wait 3 months for the next multilpier, so gotta wait like 9 months(lol!) to get a new shiny if one only wanna go with multipliers? no words about the tons of credits?

 

You should try to inform yourself better before making such a rant post.

I guess you have missed that in the upcoming Dockyard they will do this with RP instead of steel:

 

 

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/general-news/bulletin-098/

[Shaka_D]

With rp's WG are perhaps showing they have no real way forward in the game and can only resort to rinse and repeat missions / early release events etc and finding new ways for us reuse the same material over and over. Perhaps WoWs has peaked and what we're seeing is the only thing left they can do aside from new ship lines.

[Azalgor]

50 minutes ago, Animalul2012 said:

OP premiums like belfast,cesare,kamikaze

There are ships worse than these in the game already and yet to come, so no need to keep them locked, and mark my words, if Kitakami is going live, then soon for marketing reasons and pure desperation for an easy cash grab, WG will make these ships available in overprised bundles like the rest.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

10 minutes ago, Shaka_D said:

With rp's WG are perhaps showing they have no real way forward in the game and can only resort to rinse and repeat missions / early release events etc and finding new ways for us reuse the same material over and over. Perhaps WoWs has peaked and what we're seeing is the only thing left they can do aside from new ship lines.

 

It's a way to still properly milk the whales who have it all by now.

 

Does that say much about the future of the game though? I'm not sure about that...

[Jvd2000]

1 hour ago, MrWastee said:

 

steel:

by now easily obtainable by several means. dont wanna play competetive? fine, boost some directives and alike and essentially indirectly buy it for money...

 

rp's:

by now only obtainable by regrinding lines (and a few from dailies), with a high probaility to spent free xp? or to spent a lot of sigs and camos? or to wait 3 months for the next multilpier, so gotta wait like 9 months(lol!) to get a new shiny if one only wanna go with multipliers? no words about the tons of credits?

 

Steel is no more available then rb. You can get both 1200 steel and 1200 rb from a monthly daily grind. Although getting 1200 steel requires more effort.  1200 steel buys a bit more ship though..  Boosting directives during Odin gave steel, now it will give rb... Steel for snowflakes is something from the past as well...And after the clan bonus for coal and steel we now have the same for rb.

 

Think Steel and RB are quite limited in availability with the advantage for rb is that you can influence the amazing by just grinding harder ( which if you use the flags wil amount to extra FXP which enable you to get those rb points even faster) In the end i thing both steel and coal are limited in availability. Yes you can grind up to an amount but you can only get 3 daily coal crates or do your 6 daily missions or rank1 during ranked season.. rb can be grinded  in a unlimited way...
 

And as for the best ships..Well I have no problem of facing Slava, Ohio, or Bourgogne or any steel/ rb ship in my Thunderer or JB. I don’t think there is quality difference between coal, steel or rb ships.. all sources have good but also meh ships...

 

So I think WG will maintain the four ways of grinding yourself freemiums ( don’t forget the FXP ships) since it will encourage us to play more in different ways..Only change is that steel used to be the “ elite” currency which is now also available for the “ plebs” first due to snowflakes and now by daily missions.  Although earning your steel ship with dailies only is a long run... RB is a bit more veteran privilege since you had to unlock 5 T10 lines..That is until  now since with the new dockyard you can buy your way into rb research..

[MrWastee]

1 hour ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

You should try to inform yourself better before making such a rant post.

I guess you have missed that in the upcoming Dockyard they will do this with RP instead of steel:

 

 

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/general-news/bulletin-098/

lol, indeed missed out in this.... hmm... doesnt make it any better i guess, it's just that one now can buy rb pts in forward so to say instead of steel? what tells that about steel? wanna make it rarer again to let it fade? to make it more worthwhile with additions to come?.... just spreading it more out, one time this, next time that?....

 

dunno.... i dislike everything that strenghten the rb, simply coz of it's mill-character. and it's not a rant, it's make-up in posibliities, a mindplay... nothing more, nothing less ;P

 

27 minutes ago, Jvd2000 said:

Steel is no more available then rb. You can get both 1200 steel and 1200 rb from a monthly daily grind. Although getting 1200 steel requires more effort.  1200 steel buys a bit more ship though..  Boosting directives during Odin gave steel, now it will give rb... Steel for snowflakes is something from the past as well...And after the clan bonus for coal and steel we now have the same for rb.

 

Think Steel and RB are quite limited in availability with the advantage for rb is that you can influence the amazing by just grinding harder ( which if you use the flags wil amount to extra FXP which enable you to get those rb points even faster) In the end i thing both steel and coal are limited in availability. Yes you can grind up to an amount but you can only get 3 daily coal crates or do your 6 daily missions or rank1 during ranked season.. rb can be grinded  in a unlimited way...
 

And as for the best ships..Well I have no problem of facing Slava, Ohio, or Bourgogne or any steel/ rb ship in my Thunderer or JB. I don’t think there is quality difference between coal, steel or rb ships.. all sources have good but also meh ships...

 

So I think WG will maintain the four ways of grinding yourself freemiums ( don’t forget the FXP ships) since it will encourage us to play more in different ways..Only change is that steel used to be the “ elite” currency which is now also available for the “ plebs” first due to snowflakes and now by daily missions.  Although earning your steel ship with dailies only is a long run... RB is a bit more veteran privilege since you had to unlock 5 T10 lines..That is until  now since with the new dockyard you can buy your way into rb research..

 

...ohio most probably is the most (non-cv) op ship atm ingame imho.... a montana (tank standard before kremlin came in....) with dupa secs (no ifhe needed) and the short cooldown heal. oh, and ofc big pwn guns. slava, the new bb meta.... the perfect snipe bb for competetive gameplay, in which u rarely send the bb frontline anyway... colbert, probably one of the highest dpm ships ingame, perfect for hugging ANY island thx to arcs (good speed, range, etc. ofc on top.... bait is the name, and one better not take it lol....)? i mean, woat is smolensk?!

and the siegfried ofc, nothing but a bb in ca disguise.... jb being good, sure. it's just not that dedicated to any role the these are. and thunderer?.... come one...... it's a brit bb, made out of butter with a build in cow-shed to fill quickly up lol... may even dedicated in it's role, but nothing u wanna have in a typhoon cb i'd say....

 

the 2nd coal ship and 1st 2 steel ships which were "made for" the currency (not counting black and flint here), they're outstanding ships. and that's it, everything else is like sidegrades. not for the rb, these are all unique.... i'm not asking for making op ships and put em in for coal/steel!... i just point on what i do perceive, and that's a clear favor in terms of the rb when it comes to additions.

 

 

free xp ships btw are mostly fun ships by now... i mean, wanna take hayate into cb? or smaland when can haz halland?!........ or may even a kitakami? when the really good freemiums came there kinda only been free xp ships. no coal, no steel and no guess of rb ships. that's long gone.....

 

musashi, i name u. alaska when steel ships been around, but that also was b4 pay-to-rico and their shift ingame economies and monetizing.

 

could've been ägir in rb, right? not by that logic....

btw, there u go: from now on u can buy ur way into rb.........

[Please_helpme]

steel exist cause so many items on coal e.g. signals,ships,camo,upgrades,commanders and containers.

that's why i think wg created another currency steel but i was not that easy to get steel so that's why wg starts giving little bit steel on daily tasks

Research point currency exist cause already so many ships on steel they don't wanna make steel currency like coal 

steel looks currency of old players. i mean new players can only earn through dailies now but before this none but still not enough to purchase steel ships but yeah you will get it eventually.

i don't like RP why cause you have destroy your credits,free xp,xp and elite commander xp to get them and i don't wanna regrind cause i know more ships will come on coal,steel and new tech tree line will come so instead wasting your resources i would rather wait instead regrinding.  

[novents]

Hoard RB and fxp, for sure. In a pinch, you can always “convert” fxp into RB points 

[Gnirf]

1 hour ago, novents said:

Hoard RB and fxp, for sure. In a pinch, you can always “convert” fxp into RB points 

I hoard FXP for the FreeXP ships, Hayate, småland and Ägir was 5 000 000. no room for using FreeXP in the RB . I play and grind even every stock level in coop in the regrinds and then use special flags etc on the T7-9 regrinds in the random (nonstock) phase to both accelerate the grind + collecting FreeXP. I am back now a only 150 K freeXP after those horrific payments for those 3 ships.

[Marblehead_1]

OP very nicely depicted in words what I guessed from some time. Currency named Steel must be generating smaller income than RP and Coal. Steel activisied small ammount of playerbase and require more work to get this currency ( CB, Rankeds, Jerzy Świrski Campaign, Christmas Snowflakes ect ) while Coal requires only systematic playing with sporadic events giving more Coal. Then we have RP which can be monetized in way not comparable even with Free Exp as even with few double resets RP ships cost more Free Exp than parallel Free Exp ship.

 

BTW

Opening RB requires having of 5 tech tree TX - I have strange feeling that this also generates income from biggest whales.

 

As OP said - role and ammount of Steel ships will not grow too much and will be reduced in time to the role of complementary currency to the Coal while all hot content will be availaible only for RP.

 

Personally I just wanted to get Colbert from RB but after rethinking this I will not support this ill and stupid idea. Of course everybody can have ( and should ) their own opinion but RB activize players in extremely boring way.

[Hopeless_Guppy]

16 hours ago, MrWastee said:

....and with upcoming additions my bet is steel will be rendered even more worthless. with, at some point, may even getting out of the game and being fully replaced with coal solely? i mean, rp's are so much more convenient to wg, aren't they?

 

steel:

by now easily obtainable by several means. dont wanna play competetive? fine, boost some directives and alike and essentially indirectly buy it for money...

 

rp's:

by now only obtainable by regrinding lines (and a few from dailies), with a high probaility to spent free xp? or to spent a lot of sigs and camos? or to wait 3 months for the next multilpier, so gotta wait like 9 months(lol!) to get a new shiny if one only wanna go with multipliers? no words about the tons of credits?

 

ranked and cb seasons are kinda up permanently in comparison to first years, steel is allaround and not too lots to buy with.... rp's are the true mill they wanna see us in. everyone can participate, winning doesnt mean anything and stuborness wins.... sounds like the perfect concept for most of the playerbase lol...

 

atm the rb, with ohio, colbert, siegfried and slava, holds 4 of the most potential ships on higher tiers. now if i look at the steel ships with stalingrad, shikishima, somers and bourgogne, (one more?)... and somehow one gotta make such a comparison, right?... i'm not in the impression steel is the "leading" currency here. the one that got announced as the "competetive currency".... it's rp's lol....

 

dont get me wrong! steel ships are very good ships, without a doubt! the rb ones are just more dedicated in their roles i'd say and overall make better material for competetive scene.... only exception being stalingrad (ofc lol), but that's mainly because out of the whole it's the 1st one.

 

 

my bet: we'll see more and more rb ships, with a less addition of steel ones in the same time. i'm kinda sure the rb ones will be the "better" ones overall. up to even at some point steel getting removed fully, ships are split into coal and rb ships and steel simply converted into coal.

 

just a mindplay, but one i gotta say on:   me   no   gusto

what u guys think?

So easily obtainable that I will never have a steel ship, lol, I think it should be dropped in crates the same as coal is.

 

[MrWastee]

4 hours ago, Inappropriate_noob said:

So easily obtainable that I will never have a steel ship, lol, I think it should be dropped in crates the same as coal is.

 

it does from sc's from time to time, x-mas crates, just as reaching like rank 10 really not is too hard.... and along the way there's been quite some opportunities to simply buy it this way or the other, or to obtain small ammounts here and there. fact being: in the start it was announced to ONLY be obtainable by playing competetive modes!

and then, relatively shortly after, we got the buy-steel-campaign. given that, it's kinda likely that either theres gonna be ways "even for u" to get more steel, or it simply gonna be removed b4 lol.....

 

u know, idc if u get a steel ship or not. what i do care for is consistency, and that's quite a rare good with this company....

[ImperialAdmiral]

In my personal opinion there is simply not enough steel ships to pick from and most of them are meh at most.

 

I sit on almost 40k and I get steel pretty much only from CB because ranked it too frustrating for me.

 

Still nothing interesting to spend that resource on. Maybe FDR is gonna be for steel so I would get her mostly becasue of history and unique planes she has.

[Please_helpme]

14 hours ago, novents said:

Hoard RB and fxp, for sure. In a pinch, you can always “convert” fxp into RB points 

you convert 12500 RB points into 250,000 free xp

you can't convert fxp into rb points

are you talking about spending fxp during regrinding of ships to easily get RB points ?

[novents]

2 minutes ago, 123789123789 said:

you convert 12500 RB points into 250,000 free xp

you can't convert fxp into rb points

You can also use fxp to reset a line for RB points without re-grinding it. I think someone calculated Harugumo line to be the cheapest costing approx 650-700k fxp. So you can “convert” that free xp into 20k RB points with 2x bonus. 

[MrWastee]

36 minutes ago, novents said:

You can also use fxp to reset a line for RB points without re-grinding it. I think someone calculated Harugumo line to be the cheapest costing approx 650-700k fxp. So you can “convert” that free xp into 20k RB points with 2x bonus. 

and that's the plan. goin down that lane they can sell ships for like woatnot fxp... siegfried f.e. is, without any bonus and from scratch, 5x times resetting harugumo line. that's like 3.300.000+ fxp. for a ship obtainable by other means they could charge only 1mil. fxp for. slava, 7 lines, 4.700.000+ in comparison to 2mil fxp t10 freemiums (which are already to expensive)....

 

"but u can play for the pts"..... xD..... yeah, coz everyone loves to throw away his progress, just to be allowed to spent at least assured credits on a new shiny. oh, credits..... if one not goes with fxp it's with credits. wanna farm rb's? better bring a lot of em lol....

 

in short:

ships in the rb are way more pricey than any other distribution way ingame. be it time, money (ingame and real), or fxp. and, if not for all the other reasons, this is why it will be the 1st line distributor in terms of unique and outstanding ships furtheron is my bet.

funny ngh that the playerbase mostly yet off seems to be fine with that. at least there's not been an uproar like on smaland arrival. while that uproar also rather been kind of a "grrr" lol...

 

 

as 4 me: i plan to wait for next reset in 3 months, shortly b4 reset harugumo, reset right again and collect 40k rp's for apr. 1.5mil fxp and a sheetload of credits. gonna get me siegfried for the collection (do have ohio) and hope they never release a german ship in there again

[SV_Kompresor]

5 hours ago, MrWastee said:

ships in the rb are way more pricey than any other distribution way ingame. be it time, money (ingame and real), or fxp.

That's not really true. You can get ohio for about 1.8m fxp. That's still less than smaland.Plus normal xp is easier to get than fxp. Coal also requires a lot more time to get.

[TheBrut3]

Why are people crying so hard about this stuff? If you don't want to regrind, don't. If you don't want to play CB/Ranked, don't. And accept you will not get those ships.

If you do go full on Ranked and CB you will get a nice ammount of steel if you and  your clan is good enough. If not... Bad luck, steel still goes slowly.

If you don't want the steel ships there are camo's and you can convert it to coal. There's loads of options, but people always feel the need to cry.

 

And collecting 20k steel with just daily missions... Well good luck for the one trying that.

[MrWastee]

3 minutes ago, domen3 said:

That's not really true. You can get ohio for about 1.8m xp. That's still less than smaland. Coal also requires a lot more time to get.

... to get ohio for that ammount u need how many months of waiting time? and with all the parrallel ways for coal, be it ranked sprint, sc's, dailies, containers here and there... after all i'm very sure coal is easier and quicker. for sure it's more convenient for the players, as it's piucked up along the way. not really so with rb's (yet)...