shimakaze is frustating to play

[_S1N]

sry for being a little "mad". its the usual flame i guess?

 

I played the kagero and skipped the yugomo completly becouse i wanted to save some crd. i played in the past WoWs and loved the shima back then with the torpedo spam

 

I wasted about 280k free exp and reget it now. The Shima is just frustating to play . when i use the 12 km torps im having trouble even getting near some enemies becouse of all the radars . im thinking of using the 20km torps again , i know they suck but they the only torps i wont get killed instantly for getting to close. want to hear your opinions. and yes my winrate isnt that good in solo playing in general. i have to improve myself, but with shima its really hard and no fun at all most of the time.

 

Wish you could get your free exp back and just delete the line i grinded.

[ColonelPete]

• Skipping ships is not a good idea, you have to get used to the high Tier gameplay
• as maximum radar range is 12km, 12km torps work fine

[_S1N]

yeah it was my mistake of skipping the yugmo, not doing that again. guess im just not used to all the radar spam

[Allied_Winter]

Shima has always been in a rather ... iffy spot. Not because she's a bad ship, but because she requires the enemies to play utterly bad. If you have enemies that straight line for minutes and don't know how to employ their radar, she's great. IF either of these two however fails ... well ... Shima's rather useless. I haven't played mine in ages ... simply because .... well ... there are so many better DD's out there.

[Verblonde]

8 minutes ago, _S1N said:

I played the kagero and skipped the yugomo completly becouse i wanted to save some crd. i played in the past WoWs and loved the shima back then with the torpedo spam

 

I wasted about 280k free exp and reget it now. The Shima is just frustating to play . when i use the 12 km torps im having trouble even getting near some enemies becouse of all the radars . im thinking of using the 20km torps again , i know they suck but they the only torps i wont get killed instantly for getting to close. want to hear your opinions. and yes my winrate isnt that good in solo playing in general. i have to improve myself, but with shima its really hard and no fun at all most of the time.

 

Wish you could get your free exp back and just delete the line i grinded.

Skipping Yugumo - IMO - is a mistake; she's one of the better T9s - you have almost class-leading stealth (5.5 km) combined with the powerful 12 km torps (which go at 70 kts with 'zoomy torps' fitted); she also has the merit of being a reasonable 'bridge' between Kagero and Shima, in terms of transitioning from one to the other. Don't forget the guns too - if you can manage the painful traverse, and pick your spots, the alpha can make well-chosen opponents very unhappy.

 

If you used to play Shima a lot in the pre-radar era, the meta has certainly changed, as you appear to have identified; Shima is still very effective, but requires a slightly more circumspect approach than previously. Radars are a nuisance, but can be played around with a bit of practice; the biggest threat to something sneaky (5.6 km spotting distance if you're doing it right - a lot of people in the game appear not to be, if the loading screen is accurate) is usually CVs, as they can spot you for longer than a radar can, as well as moving substantially faster. At least you have marginally less bad AA than Kagero suffers from!

 

The necessary course of action is to focus on improving your anti-radar/CV kung fu; this is mainly an exercise in learning what all the radar ships can do (ranges, duration, and suchlike), and keeping track of the buggers in game - where are they, whose radar is on cooldown and so on. Incidentally, one plus point of Shima's 12 km torps is that they give you a nice visual indicator on the mini-map of where you're vulnerable to the longest range radar (Russians - 12 km). Dealing with radar isn't easy mode, but Shima is still very viable in a radar-heavy environment. Bear in mind that the actual sinking of the radar ships isn't really your job (unless one does something stupid), but rather that of your fatter team-mates once you spot them. Use F3 to draw people's attention to the ships you need sinking.

 

The 20 km torps are not usually selected by competent players, which isn't to say you won't see a lot of them in use; the problem is that they encourage long-range spamming where your chances of hitting much of use are very small (the occasional straight-lining BB excepted). The 12 km ones are a far better choice (or even the F3s, if you're feeling lairy, but they are better left to DD-meisters though) if you actually want to do something useful with them. That said, if you *must* take the 20 km ones, then you want a TA captain: besides making them go faster, it'll give you a sensible 16 km range; overall though, the benefits of the 12 km option are superior (especially since you have to waste 2 captain points to make the 20 km ones vaguely sensible), provided you learn how to play around radar.

 

I don't believe Shima is fundamentally bad (quite the reverse, in fact), but just north of five hundred random battles is not enough to have acquired the necessary skill-set to get the most from her (even/especially if returning from a long layoff).

[_S1N]

yeah i will try my best to learn it and hope i can improve , thank you

[Verblonde]

2 minutes ago, _S1N said:

yeah i will try my best to learn it and hope i can improve , thank you

You will - it just takes a little time.

 

There might be some legs in playing some of the slightly lower tier ships a bit: the density of radar (all things being equal) tends to increase as you move up the tiers; if you play some lower tier ships, you should get some games with lower radar numbers and such games are a bit easier to try out and refine your anti-radar methodology in. The down-side, of course, is that the IJN torp line has lousy AA and this is especially noticeable as you drop down the tiers, so you'll probably need to be polishing your anti-CV kung fu at the same time (although there is quite a lot of overlap).

 

Maybe T6-T8 are worth a lash?

 

BTW a good captain is probably more important than the tier; by that I mean that whatever you try to practice in, make sure your captain is good enough to enable a full stealth build (i.e. 10 points, at least, to unlock CE).

[FlyingBender]

Shima is my favourite ship. Now Im playing with 8km torps, 5.1sec. reload, superintendent and RPF, very funny. I have the wiki radar ships list near me before play. 

[lup3s]

8 hours ago, _S1N said:

sry for being a little "mad". its the usual flame i guess?

 

I played the kagero and skipped the yugomo completly becouse i wanted to save some crd. i played in the past WoWs and loved the shima back then with the torpedo spam

 

I wasted about 280k free exp and reget it now. The Shima is just frustating to play . when i use the 12 km torps im having trouble even getting near some enemies becouse of all the radars . im thinking of using the 20km torps again , i know they suck but they the only torps i wont get killed instantly for getting to close. want to hear your opinions. and yes my winrate isnt that good in solo playing in general. i have to improve myself, but with shima its really hard and no fun at all most of the time.

 

Wish you could get your free exp back and just delete the line i grinded.

 

Don't know how you play, but I have regrinded the Shima line 5+ times, each time playing Yuugumo with the (8km) F3 torpedoes

[lafeel]

8 hours ago, Allied_Winter said:

Shima has always been in a rather ... iffy spot. Not because she's a bad ship, but because she requires the enemies to play utterly bad. If you have enemies that straight line for minutes and don't know how to employ their radar, she's great. IF either of these two however fails ... well ... Shima's rather useless. I haven't played mine in ages ... simply because .... well ... there are so many better DD's out there.

The main problem is, Shima is very much a one trick pony.

 

And much like other specialized boats, she's in deep doo doo if said trick does not work..

[Ubertron_X]

51 minutes ago, lafeel said:

The main problem is, Shima is very much a one trick pony.

 

And much like other specialized boats, she's in deep doo doo if said trick does not work..

I disagree on that. Its only a one trick pony if you build it like one.

 

And as the days of battles that contain no CV, almost no radar, clueless BBs and potentially no opposite DD are clearly over I do not recommend to spec Shima soley on torpedoes. Shima has good concealment and very hard hitting guns, so try to utilize them to your advantage (for example I use Aiming System Mod 1 upgrade and BFT captain skill on mine, see below). Of course you are no Haragumo showering capital ships with shells out of smoke or Gearing that has more than amply firepower for a prolonged knife fight in between DDs, however it is easily possible to wittle down "superior" enemy DDs by keeping them spotted for your team and/or using hit-and-run tactics and whatever friendly support you can muster to send them back to port early (and be especially dangerous while kiting away). If need be you can even kill low health cruisers just by using your guns.

 

Too many players simply ignore the 6 wonderful guns this ship has and even without any CV present are then wondering why they cant bring their torps to bear while the enemy main fleet is shielded by multiple layers of DDs and radar cruisers. However this might be an agressive school of play that may not be for everyone. The usually better acepted build is going full torpedo, full concealment and evading (and/or predictive torping) enemy DD using the RL captain skill.

 

Spoiler

 

[HaachamaShipping]

1 hour ago, lafeel said:

The main problem is, Shima is very much a one trick pony.

 

And much like other specialized boats, she's in deep doo doo if said trick does not work..

Shima isn't really too specialised, imo. Ship is good torp boat, but can at least avoid getting completely crapped on by other DDs. It has good concealment and unlike the ships before in the line, it has decent speed, so it typically has it easier bailing if it doesn't want to fight. If you aren't 1v1ing gunboats on their terms, Shima guns also are no joke and you obviously can't gun down cruisers unless they are speshul or don't react at all to you due to having other issues, but same can be said about most T10 DDs. As for torp power, Shima is no slouch, the 15 torp spread of high damage torps can be an absolute pain to any ship type (except maybe CVs), due to the amount of torps.

 

Shima isn't like some insane DD, but for a DD, it can basically do its job and isn't like some Asashio that really has entire areas where it struggles. Shima covers the basics of what a DD can do pretty decently, obviously with more of a ocus on flooding certain areas with torps and less on 1v1ing stuff in caps, which I wouldn't necessarily recommend for other DDs either.

[Lootboxer]

Shima is still OK, can even carry games, really fun and engaging until facing competent fun police. Then game becomes not funny (well, not for Shima at least) but in this situation every TX dd (even Halland if that CV is unicum) is in trouble.  Skipping T9 was a mistake, boat is great with TRB and as a T9 it sees CVs the least of all tiers. 

[Please_helpme]

it's not just shima. every dd is in pain cause of cv,radar , high dpm cruisers like smolensk and soon submarines are coming. wg keep destroying dds 

[ColonelPete]

14 minutes ago, 123789123789 said:

it's not just shima. every dd is in pain cause of cv,radar , high dpm cruisers like smolensk and soon submarines are coming. wg keep destroying dds 

Looks like nobody told the DD playerbase. We have more DD players now than during winter...

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20200815/eu_week/average_class_u.html

[thisismalacoda]

Looking at last week's EU data, it's still the most popular T10 DD and the second most popular T10 ship (after Kurfürst). Either people don't share your frustration or they thoroughly enjoy it.

 

 

 

edit: and ninja'd by Pete even with a nifty diagram

[Gebe_]

20 minutes ago, 123789123789 said:

it's not just shima. every dd is in pain cause of cv,radar , high dpm cruisers like smolensk and soon submarines are coming. wg keep destroying dds 

DDs are fine and still fun as ever.

[Please_helpme]

4 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Looks like nobody told the DD playerbase. We have more DD players now than during winter...

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20200815/eu_week/average_class_u.html

having more players is a different thing. anybody can join. but is it really fun to play ? to me NO why cause in 20 games 15 games were cv games and they just all over me i could not do much

[ColonelPete]

Just now, 123789123789 said:

having more players is a different thing. anybody can join. but is it really fun to play ?

It it were not fun, people would play something else.

[Please_helpme]

Just now, ColonelPete said:

It it were not fun, people would play something else.

this thread is an example of ppl start asking to play something else

[ColonelPete]

4 minutes ago, 123789123789 said:

this thread is an example of ppl start asking to play something else

There is always someone who wants to play something else. You could have 99% DD in the matches and you would have someone prefering to play something else...

[Please_helpme]

Just now, ColonelPete said:

There is always someone who wants to play something else. You could have 99% DD in the matches and you would have someone prefering to play something else...

in rank season 17 bbs and dds are most popular ships. and i have seen after frustration dd main players start playing bbs why ?

[ColonelPete]

DD are the first line of any good attack. The vanguard always takes the heaviest losses. That is not everyones cup of tea.

[Please_helpme]

Just now, ColonelPete said:

DD are the first line of any good attack. The vanguard always takes the heaviest losses. That is not everyones cup of tea.

torps can be dodge is't like submarine homing torps. you need terrible player to play against you and eat those torps otherwise all you just doing gunboating that's why ppl playing gunboat dds more than torpedoes dds. 

[thisismalacoda]

Vor 4 Minuten, 123789123789 sagte:

in rank season 17 bbs and dds are most popular ships. and i have seen after frustration dd main players start playing bbs why ?

Among people who reached Rank 1, the five most popular ships were in order:

Mass

Akizuki

Cossack

Kidd

Loyang

 

 

The lack of DDs is truly shocking. Source:

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/season/season17/ship_avg_r1_eu.html