is anything after T-22 worth grinding ?

[HassenderZerhacker]

I have unlocked Gaede, but my German captain is still on T-22.

 

Since Gaede doesn't seem to be particularly good, and since the rest of the line doesn't seem particularly attractive to me either, I would like to ask if I should stop there and leave my cap on T-22 or if it makes sense to play Gaede?

[Hanse77SWE]

No. 

 

Z-23 with the 150 mm is a beast but you can do whatever you want. I just think it's sad that some people refuse to play ships because they "don't look good".

[Verblonde]

11 minutes ago, HassenderZerhacker said:

if it makes sense to play Gaede?

FWIW I've got the KM DDs all the way to T10 (about three-quarters of the way through the LU grind for the latter), and I rather like them - they're (IMO) decent hybrids, with enough differences to make them interesting. The HE pen buff doesn't do any harm either.

 

Their main trick, that largely defines them for me, is the smoke/hydro thing - if you dig that, then press on; if you can't be bothered, then maybe view them as less of a priority. This is quite useful for competitive, when there is a better chance of being supported when making use of hydro (although there are several premium options that provide the same thing, at least at some tiers).

 

The 'big gun' options at T6 and T8 (I think) add another interesting aspect, although Z-39 gives you that too, if you have it; if using the big guns, you probably want a specialist captain (mainly because BFT is much less useful) though.

[HassenderZerhacker]

9 minutes ago, Hanse77SWE said:

No. 

 

Z-23 with the 150 mm is a beast but you can do whatever you want. I just think it's sad that some people refuse to play ships because they "don't look good".

 

lol, you misunderstood me.

"attractive" doesn't mean the looks of the ship, it means their stats don't seem too good and aren't attractive to me because I think their abilities won't let me leverage my playstyle in DDs.

[invicta2012]

Gaede only exists as a means to play German DDs with cruiser guns. T-61 also got the HE pen buff and that makes it better in every respect. Maass was OK, from what I remember of it - had some good games when the bigger health pool made sense - but I got bored with the Tier VIII. The problem with Z-23 was that it hadn't got really got better compared to the Tier VI or VII - 0.5k and 700 extra damage on the torpedoes , a bit more health, at the time when there's a quantum leap in the quality and ability of other ships, and that made it feel like a drag.

[HassenderZerhacker]

21 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

FWIW I've got the KM DDs all the way to T10 (about three-quarters of the way through the LU grind for the latter), and I rather like them - they're (IMO) decent hybrids, with enough differences to make them interesting. The HE pen buff doesn't do any harm either.

 

Their main trick, that largely defines them for me, is the smoke/hydro thing - if you dig that, then press on; if you can't be bothered, then maybe view them as less of a priority. This is quite useful for competitive, when there is a better chance of being supported when making use of hydro (although there are several premium options that provide the same thing, at least at some tiers).

 

The 'big gun' options at T6 and T8 (I think) add another interesting aspect, although Z-39 gives you that too, if you have it; if using the big guns, you probably want a specialist captain (mainly because BFT is much less useful) though.

hmm. okay, thank you.

 

I liked the smoke and hydro thing before, but with more and more radar and CV in battles, I feel like I can't get close enough to launch torps, and smoke has lost much of it's appeal too because of radar, and that forces me into a passive playstyle that I don't particularly like.

[Maviba_76]

Vor 47 Minuten, HassenderZerhacker sagte:

I have unlocked Gaede, but my German captain is still on T-22.

 

Since Gaede doesn't seem to be particularly good, and since the rest of the line doesn't seem particularly attractive to me either, I would like to ask if I should stop there and leave my cap on T-22 or if it makes sense to play Gaede?

Sure. both z-46 and z-52 are defintely worth the grind.

[_HomTanks_]

No. KM DDs are not as good as before and not worth spending time for them anymore. Go for Daring, Halland, Grozovoi, Harugumo lines if you don't have them.

[ColonelPete]

Maas and Z-52 are good ships. Z-46 is ok.

[Animalul2012]

Gunther Lutjens+gun boat build. Thanks to 32 mm of HE pen, good ballistics and decent fire chance you can now open water gunboat. Not as effective as the french, but you still get hydro,smoke and still a speed boost+ every time you get 3 spotted ribbons gunther lutjens heals you, at t10 he can heal up to 3000,t9-2700,t8 2400, you get the point and it can be activated multiple times. Z-52 with a gunboat build and the legendary modules turn it into the ultimate hybrid destroyer, can gunboat  and can torpedo quite fast and extremely hard to dodge torpedoes in case you did not react it before you saw them. 

Do not charge into caps, you will get radared,rushed,blind fired etc. 

[Verblonde]

1 hour ago, HassenderZerhacker said:

I liked the smoke and hydro thing before, but with more and more radar and CV in battles, I feel like I can't get close enough to launch torps, and smoke has lost much of it's appeal too because of radar, and that forces me into a passive playstyle that I don't particularly like.

I don't feel that the KM DDs have been especially hammered more than anything else by radar and CVs; they're like most other DDs now i.e. you have to be a bit more circumspect early game. You can still play pretty aggressively with the Germans once the initial stages of the game have been survived.

 

The hydro is still highly effective, especially later in the game, once the radar has been thinned down a bit, and smoke often comes in handy when CVs come calling.

 

I think that the advisability of grinding the KM DD line is a bit dependent on how many DD lines you've already ticked off; if you're already well practiced, then the RN DD line is better - IMO - whereas if you've only done one or two lines prior, then the KM are a good pick.

[HassenderZerhacker]

35 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

I don't feel that the KM DDs have been especially hammered more than anything else by radar and CVs; they're like most other DDs now i.e. you have to be a bit more circumspect early game. You can still play pretty aggressively with the Germans once the initial stages of the game have been survived.

 

The hydro is still highly effective, especially later in the game, once the radar has been thinned down a bit, and smoke often comes in handy when CVs come calling.

 

I think that the advisability of grinding the KM DD line is a bit dependent on how many DD lines you've already ticked off; if you're already well practiced, then the RN DD line is better - IMO - whereas if you've only done one or two lines prior, then the KM are a good pick.

I did zero lines so far.

My highest tier DD is Östergötland, but I have Fubuki and unlocked Akatsuki. And I'm working on getting Hatsuharu.

 

I don't like playing gunboats because I miss too many shots in close combat, maybe due to my high ping (playing from abroad) , I lose nearly every encounter with enemy DDs, so torpedo boats with short torpedo range and bad camo seem pointless. For example Farragut  - 6.4 Km torp range wuth 7.6 Km camo ... so I don't play USN DDs.

 

I also have Acasta.

It's agile with tons of smoke, but I hate it. short range torps, slow firing guns.

I really liked Gallant when I had it as a rental though. Only 8 Km torpedo range, but agile, fast, very good camo... excellent DD. So if there is anything like Gallant, I am a taker

[U69_2020]

2 hours ago, HassenderZerhacker said:

Since Gaede doesn't seem to be particularly good, and since the rest of the line doesn't seem particularly attractive to me either, I would like to ask if I should stop there and leave my cap on T-22 or if it makes sense to play Gaede?

My Gaede commander finally reached level 19 today. T-22 is a nice ship, especially with the 360° rotation and dual use guns, but tier 6 is simply more useful because you can do operations. I have unlocked T7 an age ago and probably could FXP to T9 at least, but T6 is my sweet spot in the game. And of course I am waiting for the return of my T6 submarine. 

[lossi_2018]

I stopped at Z-46.

Personally I like them.

 

While not my favorite dds they are not the worst line imo (I do badish in them despite how nice they are to play), some of my greatest games I've had in Gaede. Wit a good captain, it can situational y do pretty well. The latter models are decent, Z-46 (wit a torp at 70 km and decent range) is serviceable but nowhere near Kita which is my favorite t9. They can do well in certain maps as they have a lot of decent gimmicks that can be useful (hydro, fast torps). Their 150 variants still can devastate light cruisers that are not paying attention but not like they used to.

[lossi_2018]

13 minutes ago, U69_2020 said:

My Gaede commander finally reached level 19 today. T-22 is a nice ship, especially with the 360° rotation and dual use guns, but tier 6 is simply more useful because you can do operations. I have unlocked T7 an age ago and probably could FXP to T9 at least, but T6 is my sweet spot in the game. And of course I am waiting for the return of my T6 submarine. 

I have my best captain there, for exactly the same reasons (also love de camo :)

 

*I call it my 'little cruiser' :D

[Yedwy]

3 hours ago, HassenderZerhacker said:

I have unlocked Gaede, but my German captain is still on T-22.

 

Since Gaede doesn't seem to be particularly good, and since the rest of the line doesn't seem particularly attractive to me either, I would like to ask if I should stop there and leave my cap on T-22 or if it makes sense to play Gaede?

Gaede is not that bad, but honestly more up you go less point there is in grinding them as their one trick pony show of hydro gets less and less mileage...

[lossi_2018]

26 minutes ago, HassenderZerhacker said:

and unlocked Akatsuki

Aka was the dd I almost never lost when my head was in the game back in the day. What a fabulous killer :)

[Verblonde]

26 minutes ago, HassenderZerhacker said:

For example Farragut  - 6.4 Km torp range wuth 7.6 Km camo ... so I don't play USN DDs.

I tend to think the US DD line is worth playing, although I initially disliked it intensely for the exact reason you highlight - you don't get a stealth torp window until T7, and you don't get torps that go at a respectable speed until T9; the reason to play this line though is that it forces you to learn a range of essential skills, mainly revolving around when to use your guns and when not to, and how to make use of cover for ambushes etc. Besides that, the T9 and T10 are - IMO - excellent.

 

The smoke can be very useful for screening team-mates and/or baiting radar, and (especially if you take DefAA) the Americans are one of the lines that copes least badly with an average CV.

 

If you want a hybrid line with longer ranged torps though, the Germans are probably better...

[Max_Kammerer]

Have all silver German DDs + T-61.  Maas, Z-46 a Z-52 with 19p captains and only Z-46 I'm really playing from the silver-tree last months...  IMHO  she is the best from the tree, Z-52 is big, fatty and visible... Z-52's sonar is better but in the era of radars, CVs and gunboats Z-46 offers better concealment and maneuverability - guns, torpedoes and HP are comparable... And MM is also often favourable...

 

[Spartan_Renegade]

 

Leberecht Maass is a hybrid that does the role of torp boat and gunboat reasonably well. Nothing special or gimmicky in this line but won't disappoint. 

[lafeel]

To be perfectly  honest I like Maas. Sure she's not the most outstanding tier 7 DD in any area, but she has no real weaknesses either..

[Hades_warrior]

At the moment im grinding this line as well. I researched tier 8 and im only 20k free EXP short to research Z46. I will skip tier 8 because i dont like it.

With 250k from RB i'll be able to get and Z52 for collection before 5th anniversary.
Im not a fan of DD's but I find some games enjoyable by playing Maass.

[K82J]

4 hours ago, HassenderZerhacker said:

I really liked Gallant when I had it as a rental though. Only 8 Km torpedo range, but agile, fast, very good camo... excellent DD. So if there is anything like Gallant, I am a taker

T-61 is probably the best T6 premium DD if you looking for one. Many people even considering her too strong. Usable guns, fast reloading torps, smoke, hydro, speed boost, and i think she got the " special " pen on her guns, so no need for IFHE, if i remember right.

[HassenderZerhacker]

17 hours ago, lossi_2018 said:

Aka was the dd I almost never lost when my head was in the game back in the day. What a fabulous killer :)

yes, it looks good even on paper!

I will move the Fubuki Cap up to it once I get my Hatsuharu and the Shinonome with the extra Cap. I'm puzzled though about why Shinonome was made so weak, makes no sense at all.

[Hanse77SWE]

23 hours ago, HassenderZerhacker said:

 

lol, you misunderstood me.

"attractive" doesn't mean the looks of the ship, it means their stats don't seem too good and aren't attractive to me because I think their abilities won't let me leverage my playstyle in DDs.

I didn't say "attractive". "Doesn't look good" means "I don't like the look of the stats." When players just looks at the ships and it's stats and then decides that they won't even try.

"Don't judge a book by it's cover."