Toiling With Riga

[john1953]

Any tips on how to play Riga. I am really struggling. All upgraded modules fitted, 16 point Captain. Win rate with Tallinn is 63% over 78 battles. To date my Riga return is 27% win rate over 64 battles. I cannot be unlucky all the time. Any advice appreciated, other than don't play Riga. LOL.

 Cheers.

 

 

[kfa]

I tried and failed as well, waiting for the answers. 

 

Currently im using a special build with speed and ramming flag... 

The HE is so bad, it heals the enemy. 

[DFens_666]

Just now, kfa said:

The HE is so bad, it heals the enemy. 

 

Note to WG:

Change Cruisers and DDs, since they are pleb-boats anyway, to not be able to damage enemies, but instead heal their own BBs by shooting them. Since we all know, BBs are teh masterrace anyway

[HaachamaShipping]

21 minutes ago, kfa said:

The HE is so bad, it heals the enemy. 

It's almost as if there is a massive balancing factor that many people overlooked in the last few months before the ship went live.

 

Nothing against you, good luck with mastering the ship, would guess just try to play mobile and try to opportunistically farm cits, but after months of debate whether Russian CAs would be the next OP Russian line that will end the game and crap on everything, it's nice to see people acknowledge the absolutely terrible state of the HE on these ships.

[john1953]

I am obviously playing the ship badly. I find the AP fine under 10Km against cruisers but I will in most cases be dead before getting that close. I have tried bow on utilising two turrets with little success and boring. The HE is just amenic. Most tier 9 cruisers I return 100K+ damage even in a lose game. So far my best score with the Riga has been 70K with the average being around the 50K mark. Roll on the Petro or is that a false hope?

[Chaos_Umbra]

You need to get into positions where you can use the AP, and it is incredibly tanky when bow in, was able to tank 4 BBs at once, though it is weak to HE spam as the deck is only 35mm, TBH I also preferred Tallinn mostly cause it is better protected from the sides and you have torps for close fights. Only had a few games in Petro but it is like a much better Moskva as the thing sits so low in the water so is much harder to citadel cause you will mostly hit the upper armour belt, has better stealth and 360deg turrets...

[RenamedUser_92906789]

Either bow in or kite away. There is no other way....

 

To put it simple ... play it like Moskva.

[illy]

4 hours ago, kfa said:

I tried and failed as well, waiting for the answers. 

 

Currently im using a special build with speed and ramming flag... 

The HE is so bad, it heals the enemy. 

the AP is very good, had a game where i got 15 citadels today....still lost mind you but that was mainly down to a tier 9 BB making sure a corner of the map was safe and free from enemies..... 

[Panzerblitz]

The Riga never clicked for me and I have abyssmal stats in that ship. But hang in there, the Petropavlovsk is worth the grind.

[anonym_FDOLXpxOfXXq]

19 hours ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Note to WG:

Change Cruisers and DDs, since they are pleb-boats anyway, to not be able to damage enemies, but instead heal their own BBs by shooting them. Since we all know, BBs are teh masterrace anyway

We had something like that in one of the Halloween things no ?

[HassenderZerhacker]

20 hours ago, HaachamaShipping said:

It's almost as if there is a massive balancing factor that many people overlooked in the last few months before the ship went live.

 

Nothing against you, good luck with mastering the ship, would guess just try to play mobile and try to opportunistically farm cits, but after months of debate whether Russian CAs would be the next OP Russian line that will end the game and crap on everything, it's nice to see people acknowledge the absolutely terrible state of the HE on these ships.

disagree. if the HE is "bad" then it is approaching the "balanced" state... but from above. my ships still get an average of 1-2 fires per salvo from Riga, when it hits, it's ridiculous. when Riga is angled, I also don't seem to be able to damage it much with BB guns. also, it contributes to the proliferation of radar in the game, it's so boring. and considering BBs have more space available to install much more powerful radar, the fact that mostly cruisers have it in the game is another challenge for immersion.

[DFens_666]

54 minutes ago, AmiralPotato said:

We had something like that in one of the Halloween things no ?

 

Yep

[_DeathWing_]

Skip her. That's all I can give you as advice. 

[DFens_666]

5 minutes ago, HassenderZerhacker said:

and considering BBs have more space available to install much more powerful radar, the fact that mostly cruisers have it in the game is another challenge for immersion. 

 

Because countering your counter would break the balance?

Or it would be so limited, that DDs wouldnt have much of a counter at all (mind you, radar was introduced at a time where we didnt have a CV in basicly every game). Also i think, russian CA radar is much less scary than US radar, so a ship with shortduration radar is easier to handle than one with long duration.

[HassenderZerhacker]

21 hours ago, john1953 said:

Any tips on how to play Riga. I am really struggling. All upgraded modules fitted, 16 point Captain. Win rate with Tallinn is 63% over 78 battles. To date my Riga return is 27% win rate over 64 battles. I cannot be unlucky all the time. Any advice appreciated, other than don't play Riga. LOL.

 Cheers.

if it's any help, my most annoying Riga opponents were playing like this: early charge near caps, angle against enemy ships, then radar to uncover DDs, then shoot DD or others with HE, then camp behind island while shooting HE and occasionally radar.

and if you don't know what to do, just press radar again.

...

did I mention radar or did I forget?

[HaachamaShipping]

2 minutes ago, HassenderZerhacker said:

disagree. if the HE is "bad" then it is approaching the "balanced" state... but from above. my ships still get an average of 1-2 fires per salvo from Riga, when it hits, it's ridiculous.

The Riga has 13s reload, with 9 guns and a 18s fire chance if you fully spec into it. If that is 1-2 fires per salvo, you are just unlucky, because compared to other ships this is just garbage.

 

Also, yes, if you just look at the good stuff and then go and look at the bad stuff you approach balancing from above. I could also look first at the ship having garbage HE and the cit and maneuverability, then look at the stuff it gets to make up for it and approach it from below. In the end, I arrive at the balance of Riga.

6 minutes ago, HassenderZerhacker said:

when Riga is angled, I also don't seem to be able to damage it much with BB guns

One of the strengths of the ship. Meanwhile any IFHE and a good few normal HE pen her, unlike the 50 mm plating ships.

8 minutes ago, HassenderZerhacker said:

also, it contributes to the proliferation of radar in the game, it's so boring.

This is a seperate issue unrelated to the balance of an individual ship. Worth noting that Riga radar is one of the most crappy radars around, with the only advantage being that it can be activated upon Riga being spotted. Which basically is the only radar utility these heavy cruisers have, because they are terrible at actually killing DDs compared to other radar cruisers and the utility for the team is a joke, given the short radar duration gets cut by 6s for them. Would certainly take Riga as an enemy over Donskoi or even a radar Nep that isn't utterly stupid. Even Alaska is a bigger pain in the [edited].

11 minutes ago, HassenderZerhacker said:

and considering BBs have more space available to install much more powerful radar, the fact that mostly cruisers have it in the game is another challenge for immersion.

Immersion is unrelated to balance.

[HassenderZerhacker]

2 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Because countering your counter would break the balance?

Or it would be so limited, that DDs wouldnt have much of a counter at all (mind you, radar was introduced at a time where we didnt have a CV in basicly every game). Also i think, russian CA radar is much less scary than US radar, so a ship with shortduration radar is easier to handle than one with long duration.

If you read well, I was talking about "immersion" not "balance".

I can understand the way "abilities" are distributed for "balance". but "immersion" is something else. for me immersion depends a lot on whether abilities and other characteristics are actually rational and believable within the game environment.

[HassenderZerhacker]

1 minute ago, HaachamaShipping said:

Immersion is unrelated to balance.

agree.

[HassenderZerhacker]

4 minutes ago, HaachamaShipping said:

The Riga has 13s reload, with 9 guns and a 18s fire chance if you fully spec into it. If that is 1-2 fires per salvo, you are just unlucky, because compared to other ships this is just garbage.

HE spam is bad for the game.

Any ship with HE rated "garbage" is probably balanced.

[HaachamaShipping]

Just now, HassenderZerhacker said:

HE spam is bad for the game.

And ship with HE rated "garbage" is a godsend.

I mean, we now got two cruiser lines that literally were designed to not be HE spammers. Yet people complain still. Even if the new Soviet cruisers shoot their utterly underwhelming HE at ships, it's seemingly worth complaining about. And if the Soviet cruisers get good AP to compensate for the trash HE, it's "broken OP" or something.

[HassenderZerhacker]

17 minutes ago, HaachamaShipping said:

I mean, we now got two cruiser lines that literally were designed to not be HE spammers. Yet people complain still. Even if the new Soviet cruisers shoot their utterly underwhelming HE at ships, it's seemingly worth complaining about. And if the Soviet cruisers get good AP to compensate for the trash HE, it's "broken OP" or something.

weaker HE should be the rule, AP should be normal, no need to compensate for the imaginary loss of something that shouldn't be there in the first place.

 

I look at my Hipper and then at a Talinn, and think whaaaa ???

[HaachamaShipping]

Just now, HassenderZerhacker said:

I look at my Hipper and then at a Talinn, and think whaaaa ???

I look at a Bretagne and then look at a New York and I think whaaaa ???

[HassenderZerhacker]

1 minute ago, HaachamaShipping said:

I look at a Bretagne and then look at a New York and I think whaaaa ???

seriously ? comparing low tiers that hardly matter?

[HaachamaShipping]

1 minute ago, HassenderZerhacker said:

seriously ? comparing low tiers that hardly matter?

No, the thing is, if you compare to Hipper, any T8 cruiser looks good. Just like any T5 BB will look good if you just compare it to Bretagne. But that just means one ship is underpowered, not that everyone else is OP.

[HassenderZerhacker]

21 minutes ago, HaachamaShipping said:

No, the thing is, if you compare to Hipper, any T8 cruiser looks good. Just like any T5 BB will look good if you just compare it to Bretagne. But that just means one ship is underpowered, not that everyone else is OP.

ok... and is that a good thing ?