So is Richthoffen worth the grind?

[Yedwy]

So guys that have this thing, is she worth the bother next to Haku? 

[Lebedjev]

Worth for what ?

Competitive ?

Random ?

"Fun" ?

Sky *edit* ?

[Yedwy]

15 hours ago, Lebedjev said:

Worth for what ?

Competitive ?

Random ?

"Fun" ?

Sky *edit* ?

Worth as in general, ie for Random as thats is the most played mode anyways... That covers the skycan*er as well I guess... 

[HaachamaShipping]

1 minute ago, Yedwy said:

Worth as in general, ie for Random as thats is the most played mode anyways... That covers the skycancwr as well I guess... 

You could take Audacious into random and do ok with it and MvR certainly is not a terrible CV from what I can see. I doubt it's top competitive, but for randoms, making people miserable and winning games against your average opponent certainly seems doable.

[Padds01]

id say no not really, shes a step up from the Parseval as you no longer get uptiered constantyl and have most of your weapons rendered competely ineffective ,

the rockets actually work on cruisers! 2 shotting a smolensk does give me a bit of a chubby

the torps are the same low damage easy use 

i thought the bombers would be ok when you get the upgrade and the 1k lb bombs. but  its still just rng on rng , first they have to be afk and not turn , second the bombs have to land near or heaven forfend INSIDE the reticle! then they have to hit a part they can damage then they will either pen or not , there just soo much worse than the ijn bombs and there soo slow and take soo many casualities attacking even just one target... yeah they can do damge but you have to be lucky not good.

 

if you main Cv's prolly worth having for the variety , if you got the t8 one dropped maybe worth it as a snowflake generator  

 

but i would say its squarley in 4th place of the tx cv's

 

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

The way I see it, next CW people will either bring Legendary Upgrade Hakuryu or they will bring Richthofen, as these 2 have the most potential against cruisers.

 

Out of the 2, Haku is more versatile in Random battles, but Richthofen AP rockets are fun.

 

To answer your question: I think it is fun and worth it, but if you want the most versatile line, you should get Haku first.

[Yedwy]

I am regrinding IJN line (among other stuff) and I unlocked Shokak a while back but didnt buy her at that time, I also got Parseval in early access and have some 200k xp on her as she stands, I also have permaflages for both Richthoffen and Haku...

 

So the real question here is utility vs specialisation, also IIRC haku has much bigger reserves?

 

Btw I know Auda is kinda most lazy player friendly cv and stacks damage nicely despite it but I mean as in kinda more serious play notion and I guess Auda is not redlly good fir that...

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

16 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

So the real question here is utility vs specialisation

 

You can say that Richthofen is an anti-cruiser specialist, yes (2 AP-options and torps that are hard to dodge).

But on the other hand, the AP bombs on Haku hit more reliable against cruisers than Richthofen bombs and the AP rockets can only be used on broadsides...

[Yedwy]

1 minute ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

You can say that Richthofen is an anti-cruiser specialist, yes.

But on the other hand, the AP bombs on Haku hit more reliable against cruisers than Richthofen bombs and the AP rockets can only be used on broadsides...

I know I played a bit with KM CVs mostly with Parceval and I find those AP rockets fiddely and tiresome to use, unless you line up perfectly damage is meh and you lose planes for little gain... AP bombs are ok but IJN ones seem more reliable in citing stuff...

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

2 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

I know I played a bit with KM CVs mostly with Parceval and I find those AP rockets fiddely and tiresome to use, unless you line up perfectly damage is meh and you lose planes for little gain... AP bombs are ok but IJN ones seem more reliable in citing stuff...

 

The AP rockets work best when creating a "crossfire" or against stationary ships like Stalingrad or Des Moines (you need the TX rockets for these though). 

[Bear__Necessities]

For when you wanna get 3 close quarter kills yes :P

 

[Ocsimano18]

If you are comfortable with Halland, then go ahead. I stopped playing Haku because of Halland.

[Hopeless_Guppy]

I had a brain fart, and a lot of FXP, told myself No, no no.... but I still went ahead and got her, I look in the mirror and ask myself why, the mirror looks back and god your ugly, took her into a co op battle and that for me will be a rarity in this thing, so the simple thing is this if you are a good decent honest CV player, (I am not, no way, ever has been) you may like her, in that one battle by the way I sunk a cruiser..... with the 10.0 Km secondaries, i was quite impressed with this the planes however, Hmm DB's wiped out if you get over the target, and oh boy do they fly high, attack aircraft, nice doing their cruiser thing, ok on BB's too, Torps, they were the go to tool of choice, they seem  the typical meh damage dealers but then i am not a decent CV player, I just had way too much fxp laying around.

Anyway if you get her i hope you enjoy

[Sunleader]

16 hours ago, Yedwy said:

So guys that have this thing, is she worth the bother next to Haku? 

 

Manfred is currently the Weakest of the T10 CVs when Playing Randoms.

The lack of Attack Options against Destroyers means that against any Decent CV Player Killing your DDs you have very little Options of keeping your Team in the Game.

And worse than that. Even on Attacking other Ships your Weak Planes tend to Run out very Quickly as you just lose too many of them even when Attacking Targets that are Seperated from the main Fleet.

Now. You can Try to Kill the Enemy Cruisers Quickly. Its far less Efficient than Killing Enemy DDs in other CVs. But so far its the most Effective Method I know for German CVs.

I am likely going to Play Manfred a bit more soon. So I might Update that Tought once I got a Decent Batch of Games in it. But I have Doubts it will Change anything relevant really.

 

 

For Clanbattles tough. Manfred might turn out to be a Monster.

Manfred is the Absolutely Best CV in Dealing with Kiting Cruisers. And its AP Bombs and AP Rockets are Devastating against Island Camping Cruisers.

Needless to say its AP Bombs are also more than Capable of Focusing down a Single BB Fast if the Enemy Clan Opts for BB in their Setup.

Its Speed of Planes and the Fact that the Ship itself is Decently Armored makes sure that Manfred can do its Job as a Spotter as well.

Haku does Maintain the Ability to Stealth Spot of course. Which is why its likely to Remain a Contender.

But unlike Randoms where Killing DDs is the Top Priority. In Clanbattles Manfred might be rather Powerful.

 

 

 

 

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

2 hours ago, Sunleader said:

Manfred is currently the Weakest of the T10 CVs when Playing Randoms.

 

Nah, that's certainly the Audacious.

 

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For Clanbattles tough. Manfred might turn out to be a Monster.

 

As an anti-cruiser specialist it is an obvious choice.

Haku is more consistent with the AP bombs though, the torps hit harder and the rockets can punish DDs as well as angled cruisers.

 

So I expect both of them to be viable.

[Captain_Bloodless]

It's very fun to play but earns less xp than Midway/shokaku for the type of damage u can apply to enemy team.

[Sunleader]

6 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

Nah, that's certainly the Audacious.

 

 

As an anti-cruiser specialist it is an obvious choice.

Haku is more consistent with the AP bombs though, the torps hit harder and the rockets can punish DDs as well as angled cruisers.

 

So I expect both of them to be viable.

 

Audacious is vastly better than Manfred. Simply because it Rockets are Reliable at Killing DDs.

 

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

8 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

Audacious is vastly better than Manfred. Simply because it Rockets are Reliable at Killing DDs.

 

It's not like MvR cannot do anything against DDs though.

We're talking about Randoms, so you can get 5k salvos with your AP rockets or torp them, while you spot them for your team to shoot.

You are right that this is less effective of course, but MvR makes up for it by blasting everyones citadels apart from that, while Audacious cannot do much...

 

As I said myself, MvR is not very versatile. I just find Audacious to be utter trash...

[Captain_Bloodless]

" Vastly better " is a strong sentence.

Manfred can reliably deal 26k AP damage on most BB and punish with 10-20k bad positioned cruisers.

Audacious is worst cv right now.

That said Manfred can only put fighters on dd and disturb dd in smoke with torps. I say disturb, because once i hit an haragumo with 3 torps and the salvo was a gran total of 11k damage, while with legendary module on midway u can deal 14k and more with much easier to hit dive bombs.

Still manfred can coordinate much better with team because with AP rockets/bombs can force ships bow tanking to either take cv drop or give broadside to your team mates.

Audacious beside very good rockets ( which midway can have similar as alternative to tiny tim ) has litterally no killing power.

[BattleshipGunner]

12 hours ago, Ocsimano18 said:

If you are comfortable with Halland, then go ahead. I stopped playing Haku because of Halland.

What's so bad about Halland to CVs? (apart from the fact it can defend itself)

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

1 minute ago, BattleshipGunner said:

What's so bad about Halland to CVs? (apart from the fact it can defend itself)

 

Halland is just annoying by providing AA support while you drop other ships with AP bombs.

 

If you want to kill a Halland, it's not that hard though, especially in something like the Enterprise...

[BattleshipGunner]

Just now, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

Halland is just annoying by providing AA support while you drop other ships with AP bombs.

 

If you want to kill a Halland, it's not that hard though, especially in something like the Enterprise...

Well if that's the case then why are some people angered by it?

 

To me, it's good, finally a ship that can somewhat defend itself from planes...

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

Just now, BattleshipGunner said:

Well if that's the case then why are some people angered by it?

 

Because most people are bad players.

And a bad player cannot deal with Halland while playing CV.

[BattleshipGunner]

Just now, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

Because most people are bad players.

And a bad player cannot deal with Halland while playing CV.

Is Halland AA really that good?

Surely it doesn't just deplane you before you get to start your attack run?

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

4 minutes ago, BattleshipGunner said:

Surely it doesn't just deplane you before you get to start your attack run?

 

Somehow many people don't know how to properly dodge Flak, which is why WG changed the upgrade that gave +2 Flak bursts (now you can only ghet them in the last slot and only when DefAA is active).

Halland's Flak is quite potent and should de-plane a straight-lining CV squadron somewhat immediately.