Ban premium ships in ranked.

[Wulf_Ace]

so like the title say, why not ban premium ships in ranked battles, they are getting stronger and stronger,almost like its starting to be a pay to win game and a bit disgusting to see. while tech tree ships are getting ignored to oblivion. they main purpose was to earn credits not to buy it to own people in competetive play.

yeah i am the first who playes them in ranked but i want to see tech tree only in battles.

 

would that be so bad to ban them from ranked play? or wargaming would lose much profit?

what do you think?

[Khaba_Gandalf]

Vor 41 Minuten, Wulf_Ace sagte:

 

would that be so bad to ban them from ranked play? or wargaming would lose much profit?

what do you think?

Not every premium ship you see in ranked is played solely for their power level. 

 

I would guess that a fair share of players pick one because it is convenient to do so.

 

Lets say you are a wehraboo bb main, so you most likely own Horst and Derpitz. Depending on your account progress /, interest in other lines /nations you may not have a good commander on Bismarck or Gneisenau anymore. 

 

I mean you sure could move your 19pt GK commander and retrain him for another silver german BB to play ranked but depending on how many games you play you pay more in ECXP for retraining him back and forth than you gain from playing ranked. 

 

In which case using  a premium ship is convenient, generates more cash and helps you save ECXP for other stuff. 

 

Now if you ban premium ships from ranked, what happens? The average Joe plays  with a low point captain on a silver ship. The better players and the vets with a ton of games and nothing to do any more besides reseting lines simply buy the ship they think gives them the best chances in ranked, borrow a captain from a t10 ships or print a completely new one with ECXP. 

 

One change anything about how ranked goes, doesn't it? 

[lafeel]

58 minutes ago, Wulf_Ace said:

would that be so bad to ban them from ranked play? or wargaming would lose much profit?

 

Might as well forget about it right now, as it's not happening.

 

And yes, they would.

[GulvkluderGuld]

Banning a certain premium CV would make sense from a standpoint of balance. Certain other naughty premiums on other tiers might deserve the same treatment.

 

Unfortunately vodka rules over balance in this game, so it will never happen even if WG would not want to lose sales from their latest ranked milking package.

 

 

Playing premium ships earns more credits and xp, which makes them a really good choice for ranked.

For instance my harekaze earned 50 million credits over around 130 games this ranked season.

[Verblonde]

4 hours ago, Wulf_Ace said:

what do you think?

 

4 hours ago, Wulf_Ace said:

wargaming would lose much profit?

There's your answer right there.

 

Plus, as @Khaba_Gandalf points out, it would be an unfortunate inconvenience to players to remove them; whilst I know there are a *few* notoriously OP ones, the bulk of premium ships are - IMO - fine, and a lot of players use them because they lack a suitable captain on many of the relevant tiered silver ships.

 

Also, some of the premiums do interesting things that silver ones don't e.g. I played most of the recent Ranked and Sprint seasons in Orkan, because a) she's fun, b) I could put my Halland captain on her, and c) the radar provides something interesting/different. Despite the radar, I don't think I've seen anyone having conniptions about Orkan being OP...

[RavenWolf1]

Okey. Let's start banning premium ships first. What next? CVs of course. What then? What about those pesky cruisers because they have radars and it is soooo hard to play DDs because them. You know those BBs are also little too overpowered now that we have banned half of the ships. They too should also be banned! And of course we don't want future submarines neither! Now we can all enjoy happy happy sneak & hide with only DDs. Have fun game!

[Camperdown]

It is not going to happen.

But it is not only CVs and BBs. Loyang is OP in the current meta. It goes to cap, smokes up and pops on hydro, and presto, cap is hers. Nothing any other DD can do about it. Only counterplay is radar cruiser. And often you don't have one, as may games have only 1 cruiser, or the cruiser captain is a noob, or he actually does attack the Loyang and he gets clobbered by the red team.

The advantage of the Loyang is big. Pure P2W. It is the Belfast of the current season.

 

[Migantium_Mashum]

I actually see the point of the OP.

 

How many of us have witnessed ranked games where players in premium ships are the cause of the game being lost?

 

There are players so desperate to get into ranked games that they buy their way in without the experience of the silver line and are absolutely dreadful... Might be one way to make ranked interesting again.

There are enough posts on this forum slamming ranked games are there not?

[PeteEarthling]

Ok, then... also ban RU ships in ranked?

[Camperdown]

Unfortunately WG is not interested in game experience. Profit is their sole concern. Milk the game for every penny and  the customer. 

[Spartan_Renegade]

How about we just ban 'ranked' from battles? Since you hate premium ships because their users don't want to go bankrupt playing a tech tree ship they don't have a Perma camo for and service them at the expense of their own credit stash rather than a portion of their battle earnings.

There are bigger problems that need to be addressed  first - like  CVs, unrestricted number of radar cruisers in a team, oh and the nightmare Enterprise

[Animalul2012]

Premium/special/reward ships should be banned from any competitive mode. They did it in wot in ranked battles so why not here as well? No more belfast,atlanta spam at 7.No more massachusets,odin,cossack,lo yang,kidd spam at t8 and enterprise. No OHIO,somers,salem,slava ,stalingrad at t10 either.

[SeaWolf7]

11 hours ago, Wulf_Ace said:

 

yeah i am the first who playes them in ranked but i want to see tech tree only in battles.

 

would that be so bad to ban them from ranked play? or wargaming would lose much profit?

what do you think?

So you want to see them banned from Ranked but admittedly the first to jump in to one....in ranked? Ok...

Well why do you choose to play them in ranked? That should kind of answer your own question really....

[SeaWolf7]

26 minutes ago, Animalul2012 said:

Premium/special/reward ships should be banned from any competitive mode. They did it in wot in ranked battles so why not here as well? No more belfast,atlanta spam at 7.No more massachusets,odin,cossack,lo yang,kidd spam at t8 and enterprise. No OHIO,somers,salem,slava ,stalingrad at t10 either.

Yeah lets just ban everything that's a bit of a challenge, that sounds like a fun game...

 

[Hanse77SWE]

If it's meant to test the skill of the players, then everybody should use the same tools = same ship.

[josykay]

If a ship is pulled from sale because  of performance, it should not be allowed to participate.

Giulio Cesare, Kamikazes, Belfast, Enterprise... to name a few. Not only do they performe to well, they are  also not available for players anymore, giving those having the ships an advantage others can not get.

[Padds01]

a lot of premiums are not op they are actually as they were supposed to be , different takes , side versions not step ups. some though are just broken op. and wg remove those from sale and they go to the santa crate tier 1 waling fleet pedo gambling loot boxes.

 

so the rule i would use is if its available now you can use it, of course that would down value santa crates by removing pay to win, so WG are not going to do anything like it.

[Khaba_Gandalf]

Vor 10 Stunden, Verblonde sagte:

Also, some of the premiums do interesting things that silver ones don't e.g. I played most of the recent Ranked and Sprint seasons in Orkan, because a) she's fun, b) I could put my Halland captain on her, and c) the radar provides something interesting/different. Despite the radar, I don't think I've seen anyone having conniptions about Orkan being OP...

 Same with IMHO cossack vs lightning. The one is better in a match with many dds (better gun dpm), the other one has the torp numbers to take out a full bb if either the driver is stupid and eats all torps or gets ambushed with single spread salvos at close range. 

 

Wichita isn't stronger than Baltimore, it is just more convenient. Same with Alabama vs NC or Lenin vs Vladi. 

Vor 2 Stunden, Migantium_Mashum sagte:

There are players so desperate to get into ranked games that they buy their way in without the experience of the silver line and are absolutely dreadful... Might be one way to make ranked interesting again.

It's not the ship it is the player and the whole game allows for a ton of ways to get access to a ranked season without getting a premium or special ship. 

 

And while banning prems from this mode would keep out the new players who think that buying a high tier premium as early as possible is the best way to further their game progress, it won't make ranked that much better. 

 

Because IMHO the issue isn't the few newbies that screw up in prems, it's the older players with equally bad (or even worse) stats and those have other ways to get access to ranked. 

 

Vor 44 Minuten, Animalul2012 sagte:

Premium/special/reward ships should be banned from any competitive mode. They did it in wot in ranked battles so why not here as well? No more belfast,atlanta spam at 7.No more massachusets,odin,cossack,lo yang,kidd spam at t8 and enterprise. No OHIO,somers,salem,slava ,stalingrad at t10 either.

Okay, so everyone gets special copies of ships that only work in ranked with 19pt captains? Like with the filth or Halloween modes? 

 

Because t6 and t8 tells me how great a mode without premium ships will be for the average player. 

 

If you want to be competitive it is all about skill and teamwork, not about if you can afford moving your 19pt kuznetsov captain from Kremlin to vladi for ranked, or Doe/Halsey from DM on Baltimore. 

 

So either go all out or don't do anything. Keep the system as it is or make ranked a competitive mode with special copies of the silver ships with 19pt captains that only both work in ranked. No prems, no special / unique captains. 

 

[_HomTanks_]

There is always this, "it is not me, it is the ship" mentality.  I mean do you really think people who are purple in Cossack are also red in Lightning? Or who are purple in Enty are also red in Shokaku? People rank out in 60-70 games in non-premium ships. A player that, let's say abuse Enterprise in  ranked and ranked out in below 100 games, will also most likely rank out in Lex or Shokaku in plus-minus ten, fifteen battles. People can utilize tech tree ships in CBs even more successfully than premium/special ships. Simple rule, good players will do good in silver or gold ships, average players will do average and bad will do bad. If WG would do this banning of premium ships, which they declared they won't, then what is next? Kremlin, Venezia, Daring, Harugumo, Fiji, Special Captains? There is no single ship in the game that should be banned. Only CV as a class stands out broken and it should be reworkedx2 or moved to a separate mode. Overall, it is not only but mostly about the player's skill level. Give an op ship to an average or bad player and most of the time results won't be outstanding...Such a ship, press Battle button and win the game, does not exist.

[Camperdown]

Loyang has 3% better WR than Lightning, Massa and Enti are 4-5% better than average ships. Those are big differences.

[_HomTanks_]

26 minutes ago, Camperdown said:

Loyang has 3% better WR than Lightning, 

 

You mean in ranked. There are currently 28 Lightning and 37 Lo Yang that ranked out in total. Below 100 games there are 7 Lightnings and 3 Lo Yangs with Lightnings leading in ranking out with lesser games. Is Lightning premium? 

 

However, it would be the general misconception if we keep saying Lightning or Lo yang ranked out or has better WR. As you see, it depends on the captain. Those many silver Lightnings did not rank out below 100 games on their own but by their captain, meaning skill matters. 

[Camperdown]

1 minute ago, Execute0rder66 said:

 

You mean in ranked. There are currently 28 Lightning and 37 Lo Yang that ranked out in total. Below 100 games there are 7 Lightnings and 3 Lo Yangs with Lightnings leading in ranking out with lesser games. Is Lightning premium? 

 

However, it would be the general misconception if we keep saying Lightning or Lo yang ranked out or has better WR. As you see, it depends on the captain. Those many silver Lightnings did not rank out below 100 games on their own but by their captain. 

Of course the most important thing is the captain. But buying P2W premiums give average captains a sizeable advantage.

[_HomTanks_]

10 minutes ago, Camperdown said:

Of course the most important thing is the captain. But buying P2W premiums give average captains a sizeable advantage.

How? I just gave you fact samples above.

 

If You mean average like more than 200 plus games, i.e. 11 Lo yangs ranked out in 207 or more games while 4 Lightnings ranked out the same in 207 or more games.

Meaning, it didn't apply to average players either.

[HappyFella]

4 hours ago, PeteEarthling said:

Ok, then... also ban RU ships in ranked?

 

 

<< SucksAirInThroughTeeth>>

[Wulf_Ace]

2 hours ago, SeaWolf7 said:

So you want to see them banned from Ranked but admittedly the first to jump in to one....in ranked? Ok...

Well why do you choose to play them in ranked? That should kind of answer your own question really....

beacouse my Massachusetts is ultra strong.

 

they are premium ships just to farm credits and train captains why allow them to put stronger captain from any other tech tree ship and to be stronger in ranked then tech tree ships?