Graf Zeppelin Nerfed into Oblivion.

[anonym_WHY4JO92xZKJ]

2 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

Useless would be if they do no damage.

So i can't say that a Tier 10 ship is useless cause it have the performances of a Tier 1, cause the tier 1 still can deal damage...

Just an example

Graf Zeppelin seems to have a lot of downs compared to other tier 8, in Exchange for...  a secondary battery that for a CV is not that useful

[gabberworld]

2 hours ago, HaachamaShipping said:

JuSt uSe The SEcOnDAriEs, duh...

 

i really like how streamer gibbins play with Graf Zeppelin. he is very  aggressive with that ship, seen how he killed allot ships with secondaries

[ColonelPete]

18 minutes ago, dunbine said:

So i can't say that a Tier 10 ship is useless cause it have the performances of a Tier 1, cause the tier 1 still can deal damage...

Just an example

Graf Zeppelin seems to have a lot of downs compared to other tier 8, in Exchange for...  a secondary battery that for a CV is not that useful

I am pretty sure the AP bombs do more than a Tier 1 ship...

 

CV are not designed in the way that you should use only one type of plane.

[Padds01]

1 hour ago, KMSDortmund said:

I agree, I want my money back ! otherwise i will use GZ dive bombers on wargaming's HQ 

so there safe then , but the guys two street over are about to have a luousy afternoon

[Aixin]

Vor 1 Minute, Padds01 sagte:

so there safe then , but the guys two street over are about to have a luousy afternoon

Just aim for them and hit wgees headquarters.  1000iq pro gamer move. 

[Rhineheart_Thor]

1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

 

What the Hell should Germany even do with an Aircraft Carrier ? xD

 

Adolf Hitler had an obsession with bombing and burning New York City USA to the ground, One of the less fanciful options was carrier aircraft, although some of his very large bomber aircraft did make it to air trails, and we all know what happened with his intercontinental ballistic missiles.   

[HMS_Edinburgh_C16]

 good 

i hate those [edited] who play gz 

[BanzaiPiluso]

[Sunleader]

1 hour ago, HMS_Edinburgh_C16 said:

 good 

i hate those [edited] who play gz 

 

So you Like me more now that I am gonna use CVs that can easily kill DDs in a few Strikes ?

[anonym_WHY4JO92xZKJ]

2 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

I am pretty sure the AP bombs do more than a Tier 1 ship...

 

CV are not designed in the way that you should use only one type of plane.

Indeed, but the tier 1 ship can shoot quite quickly, while the gz planes can barely shoot a couple of times before being annhilated by the enemy aa, then you have to take another group of planes to the target.

 

CV should work using more than a kind of planes, indeed

The gf doesn't deal much damage with bombers, torps and rockets

It deals damage with secondaries... And that's bad for a CV

 

[Toodle_Pip_Old_Chap]

5 hours ago, Sunleader said:

Well.

Guess as the Graf Zeppelin was the Top DD Hunter and clearly OP compared to the other CVs. I am Happy to Report that the Graf Zeppelin has Finally been Nerfed so it cant just Wreck enemy DDs anymore.

lol.

Yeah Sorry. I cant even do this in a Sarcastic Manner because this is just too Absurd even for a Joke.

 

 

So.

Dive Bombers on GZ were always pretty useless. And got even more Useless Lately. So not really a big thing.

The Torpedo Bombers have always been Pretty Average.

And So far the Rockets were pretty usable against DDs and Cruisers and Partially even BBs.

 

Now however. The Rockets Suffer from the Changed Aiming. And have thus Become Entirely and Utterly Trash.

Even against a Broadside DD you get like 2-3k Damage Max. Against a DD Angling you can be Happy if you get anything at all.

And even against Cruisers they Struggle to actually do any Meaningful Damage.

 

With that. Graf Zeppelin which thanks to the Unreliable Dive Bombers already had only 2 Squadrons that could actually be used anyways.

Is now basicly Down to having just 1 Squadron that is Usable. And that one is Average at Best....

 

 

 

Graf Zeppelin Clearly needs a Pretty Massive Buff now.

Otherwise it is Honestly Said Complete Trash which should not be Bought into Randoms unless you want to be a **** dragging down your Team.....

 

Good - Just the rest of the shower of s---t to go then and WOW will be a better place

[ColonelPete]

11 minutes ago, dunbine said:

Indeed, but the tier 1 ship can shoot quite quickly, while the gz planes can barely shoot a couple of times before being annhilated by the enemy aa, then you have to take another group of planes to the target.

That is a player issue....

[anonym_WHY4JO92xZKJ]

13 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

That is a player issue....

Sorry, but if german planes get wiped out in a blink, while other nations planes in the same circumstances keep flying until they finish their ammo, then is a game balance issue

[Aixin]

Vor 13 Minuten, ColonelPete sagte:

That is a player issue....

When it comes to gz dive bombers actually not. You can't strike the same target twice most of the time. It may work on T6 or t7 ships. But on T8 and above it just won't work Cuz the turning circle is massive and you have to spent a very long time in the aa to attack the same target again. Spreading love (how Sunleader called it once) is possible tho. But even then you get max two strikes with one squadron. Actually this is Cuz gz planes are helathwise more like T6 then T8 planes.... 

[Hopeless_Guppy]

I agree with the OP,  if GZ is a benchmark then I guess all German CV's are going to be crap, as I already have the Rhien  I know this to be true  Yes CZ needs buff to torpedo speed, (same goes for Asashio, and most DD''s), better aiming on the DB's, and I can't think of anything on the rocket planes, whoa hold up, rocket planes?

Me 163, yes they would be great against DD's

 

Use the secondaries, Hmm ok, two probs with that, the range is not long enough, so if you follow the fleet, the long range Sniper BB's will feed on you, and I guess it is still possible to sneak attack if you are in a DD, they could do with a range buff, like all CV secondaries, maybe match the Bismarck's, this I know will never happen but it would be nice.

 

 know there is a video somewhere on the tube where a guy takes his GZ in between the two brothers, or is it sisters, the map where everyone wants to do the same as Jingle and Flamu and everyone yell not to, anyway that guy got some awesome use of his secondaries

[Hopeless_Guppy]

2 hours ago, HMS_Edinburgh_C16 said:

 good 

i hate those [edited] who play gz 

Aww sorry dude 

 

However if we do meet in battle you will probably sink me

[Panocek]

6 hours ago, Sunleader said:

Well.

Guess as the Graf Zeppelin was the Top DD Hunter and clearly OP compared to the other CVs. I am Happy to Report that the Graf Zeppelin has Finally been Nerfed so it cant just Wreck enemy DDs anymore.

GZ could and still can attack destroyers with rockets on first pass, even those going head on to force overshoot due to topkek slow planes and only 3s preparation time, nothing changed there. You simply need bigger RNGesus shrine now for first pass, turn around and apply rockets correctly the second time.

[TheBicentennialman]

so what Graf Zeppelin  Nerf are we talkin about here ?

[Aixin]

Vor 1 Minute, TheBicentennialman sagte:

so what Graf Zeppelin  Nerf are we talkin about here ?

The 6th.

[TheBicentennialman]

https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Update_0.9.6

you must be on about that then

[Sunleader]

13 minutes ago, Panocek said:

GZ could and still can attack destroyers with rockets on first pass, even those going head on to force overshoot due to topkek slow planes and only 3s preparation time, nothing changed there. You simply need bigger RNGesus shrine now for first pass, turn around and apply rockets correctly the second time.

 

I did some Testing Today.

And the Problem is not Attacking them.

Its doing Damage.

 

On Broadsiding DDs you get like 2-3k Damage.

On DDs that Angle you get maybe 1k.

And a DD actually going Bow in. You get nothing.

 

Not because you Miss.

But Because you only Fire 8 Rockets whose Dispersion is Terrible.

 

The only other T8 CV with 8 Rockets is Kaga.

But Kaga actually got Buffed. Because now its Dispersion is INSANE. Its Aiming Reticle is 1/4 of the German one.

So it will almost always get 4-6 Hits sometimes even more.

 

Meanwhile with GZ you now get 1-2 maybe sometimes a 3rd one if you are really Lucky.

[Aixin]

Vor 15 Minuten, TheBicentennialman sagte:

https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Update_0.9.6

you must be on about that then

Well is it the 7th then already. I thought there only were 6 so far. We are talking about the rocket aiming reticle change which got introduced in 0.9.7.basically destroying all the effectiveness that big rockets with small number of them had. The thing is no matter if you get targets broadside or not you will get 1 - 2k dmg(for gz spoken). The change should have been attack from not broadside 1-2k from broadside 8-10k. It used to be possibly to score those big hits with gz before the update if you knew how to aim them. Now they are an utter rng Fiesta and every skill if there ever was some got removed. The funny point is that the goal of that changes was to nerf shokek Haku and the British CVs so they are not as effective against DDs anymore. What they acquired tho is that they completely destroyed gz saipan Lexington and midway while actually buffing auda shokek Haku and Implacable. A Friend of mine destroyed a daring on test server with ONE rocket strike. It was not a detonation. And from my own experience a rocket strike from auda is when fully aimed at least 10k dmg for the dd. So in conclusion those changes are horsshit and hit once again the weakest the hardest while actually buffed those who were even more effective against destroyers... 

[Deckeru_Maiku]

7 hours ago, Sunleader said:

Well.

Guess as the Graf Zeppelin was the Top DD Hunter and clearly OP compared to the other CVs. I am Happy to Report that the Graf Zeppelin has Finally been Nerfed so it cant just Wreck enemy DDs anymore.

...

Graf Zeppelin Clearly needs a Pretty Massive Buff now.

Otherwise it is Honestly Said Complete Trash which should not be Bought into Randoms unless you want to be a **** dragging down your Team.....

 

 

 

Sorry, but somehow I fail to see a problem there.

Typical WG way of solving a problem: overdo it without checking the consequences...

 

The problem was, DDs getting rekt by CVs... WG found a "solution" it seems... now CVs (or only this one?) can't harm DDs that much anymore but also fails to do damage to other classes...

Wait a year or so and WG will find a proper solution and all classes will get rekt by CVs again...

 

And because it has to be said: "Git gud!" and "Just dodge!"

[Sunleader]

57 minutes ago, Deckeru_Maiku said:

 

 

Sorry, but somehow I fail to see a problem there.

Typical WG way of solving a problem: overdo it without checking the consequences...

 

The problem was, DDs getting rekt by CVs... WG found a "solution" it seems... now CVs (or only this one?) can't harm DDs that much anymore but also fails to do damage to other classes...

Wait a year or so and WG will find a proper solution and all classes will get rekt by CVs again...

 

And because it has to be said: "Git gud!" and "Just dodge!"

 

GZ and Saipan got Nerfed.

All other T8 CVs got Buffed or Ignored.

So no.

They didnt overdo anything.

They made a Change which does NOTHING positive but made GZ Complete Trash.

[Captaindanz]

You can always just scout, who needs damage? you can be a true chad.