Graf Zeppelin Nerfed into Oblivion.

[Sunleader]

Well.

Guess as the Graf Zeppelin was the Top DD Hunter and clearly OP compared to the other CVs. I am Happy to Report that the Graf Zeppelin has Finally been Nerfed so it cant just Wreck enemy DDs anymore.

lol.

Yeah Sorry. I cant even do this in a Sarcastic Manner because this is just too Absurd even for a Joke.

 

 

So.

Dive Bombers on GZ were always pretty useless. And got even more Useless Lately. So not really a big thing.

The Torpedo Bombers have always been Pretty Average.

And So far the Rockets were pretty usable against DDs and Cruisers and Partially even BBs.

 

Now however. The Rockets Suffer from the Changed Aiming. And have thus Become Entirely and Utterly Trash.

Even against a Broadside DD you get like 2-3k Damage Max. Against a DD Angling you can be Happy if you get anything at all.

And even against Cruisers they Struggle to actually do any Meaningful Damage.

 

With that. Graf Zeppelin which thanks to the Unreliable Dive Bombers already had only 2 Squadrons that could actually be used anyways.

Is now basicly Down to having just 1 Squadron that is Usable. And that one is Average at Best....

 

 

 

Graf Zeppelin Clearly needs a Pretty Massive Buff now.

Otherwise it is Honestly Said Complete Trash which should not be Bought into Randoms unless you want to be a **** dragging down your Team.....

 

[ColonelPete]

Just now, Sunleader said:

Dive Bombers on GZ were always pretty useless. And got even more Useless Lately. So not really a big thing.

You are kidding, right?

 

[HaachamaShipping]

JuSt uSe The SEcOnDAriEs, duh...

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

11 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

Dive Bombers on GZ were always pretty useless.

8 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

You are kidding, right?

 

He is not.

You are probably waiting to pull some spreadsheet from your "back", telling us they deal sufficient damage on average or whatever.

 

The truth is that they have a very low skill floor, but also a very low skill ceiling.

For a good CV player, these things are simply pathetic and he will certainly prefer Shokaku, Enterprise or Parseval AP bombs.

[HaachamaShipping]

1 minute ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

For a good CV player, these things are simply pathetic and he will certainly prefer Shokaku, Enterprise or Parseval AP bombs.

I mean, I'd take Lexington or Kaga HE bombs over the GZ AP bombs. GZ just isn't reliable and even when hitting doesn't pay off that much, whereas HE bombs have a more stable performance, bigger target range and DoT potential. 

[ColonelPete]

2 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

He is not.

You are probably waiting to pull some spreadsheet from your "back", telling us they deal sufficient damage on average or whatever.

 

The truth is that they have a very low skill floor, but also a very low skill ceiling.

For a good CV player, these things are simply pathetic and he will certainly prefer Shokaku, Enterprise or Parseval AP bombs.

Useless would be if they do no damage.

[Sunleader]

4 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

You are kidding, right?

 

 

Nope. Dead Serious.

GZ DBs are just too Unreliable.

Even against BBs you cannot Hit them for Citadels Reliably. And your Max Damage is Tremendously Lower than all other T8 Dive Bomber Squads.

 

Basicly now a Normal Lexington HE Bomb Drop. Has more Damage than the very Rare Double Citadel Hit from a Graf Zeppelin.

Just for the Fun of it. Right now. Ryujo Dive Bombers are actually Superior to those of the GZ because they do nearly the same Damage. But they actually Hit unlike the ones of ones of the GZ.

 

3 minutes ago, HaachamaShipping said:

JuSt uSe The SEcOnDAriEs, duh...

 

That would at this point honestly said be the most Effective Weapon of GZ.

 

 

2 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

He is not.

You are probably waiting to pull some spreadsheet from your "back", telling us they deal sufficient damage on average or whatever.

 

The truth is that they have a very low skill floor, but also a very low skill ceiling.

For a good CV player, these things are simply pathetic and he will certainly prefer Shokaku, Enterprise or Parseval AP bombs.

 

Just Saying.

But Weser has 4x2x7k AP Bombs with Very Decent Accuracy.

Graf Zeppelin has 4x2x5.8k AP Bombs with Horrible Accuracy.

 

Basicly. Weser is Completely Superior to Graf Zeppelin.

Ryujo only has only 5.1k Alpha and thus in Theory Lower Damage than GZ. But Funny enough thanks to just much more Accurate they are. They would still be Equal or Superior.

[HaachamaShipping]

1 minute ago, ColonelPete said:

Useless would be if they do no damage.

No, it suffices if they are an absolute waste of time to use. And they kind of are. The only reason you'd ever take these bombers is when you are out of torpedo bombers, but otherwise these bombers are straight up trash. Rockets pre-patch still were a better option against literally everything.

Just now, Sunleader said:

That would at this point honestly said be the most Effective Weapon of GZ.

Comparatively, yes, but overall, I'd still rather take the TBs.

[waxx25]

Thx for sharing the good news @OP. 

[Padds01]

40 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

You are kidding, right?

 

GZ dive bombers couldnt hit the sea if you were to aim at it , those bombs obey no laws of physics 

[steveraptor]

1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

Graf Zeppelin Clearly needs a Pretty Massive Buff now.

Otherwise it is Honestly Said Complete Trash which should not be Bought into Randoms unless you want to be a **** dragging down your Team.....

 

Asking for CV buffs in this forum.

Pretty ballsy.

 

 

Anyway, if memory serves, the talk here was that the change to the reticle will actually be a buff to all CVs, except TiTs and yada yada, glorious non-sense.

Btw Ryjou rockets are also pretty trash now, especially vs DDs.

So...have fun hunting broadside cruisers I guess?

At this point people should be allowed to ask for a refund on their GZ, I have never a seen a ship being butchered so hard over multiple patches.

 

 

[KMSDortmund]

27 minuti fa, steveraptor ha scritto:

Asking for CV buffs in this forum.

Pretty ballsy.

 

 

Anyway, if memory serves, the talk here was that the change to the reticle will actually be a buff to all CVs, except TiTs and yada yada, glorious non-sense.

Btw Ryjou rockets are also pretty trash now, especially vs DDs.

So...have fun hunting broadside cruisers I guess?

At this point people should be allowed to ask for a refund on their GZ, I have never a seen a ship being butchered so hard over multiple patches.

 

 

I agree, I want my money back ! otherwise i will use GZ dive bombers on wargaming's HQ 

[lossi_2018]

I will add here that some change has occurred to the aim circle of the Ryujo as well, so I believe a general change happened.

[steveraptor]

1 minute ago, KMSDortmund said:

I agree, I want my money back ! otherwise i will use GZ dive bombers on wargaming's HQ 

Don't count on it, they will probably miss/ricochet off the roof.

[Sunleader]

25 minutes ago, steveraptor said:

Asking for CV buffs in this forum.

Pretty ballsy.

 

 

Anyway, if memory serves, the talk here was that the change to the reticle will actually be a buff to all CVs, except TiTs and yada yada, glorious non-sense.

Btw Ryjou rockets are also pretty trash now, especially vs DDs.

So...have fun hunting broadside cruisers I guess?

At this point people should be allowed to ask for a refund on their GZ, I have never a seen a ship being butchered so hard over multiple patches.

 

 

 

 

Nope that Talk is Accurate.

Graf Zeppelin uses Heavy Rockets. Its German ones so they arent Named Tiny Tims of course. But just like Tiny Tims its just a Few Rockets and thus ends up being Heavily Nerfed by this.

Shokaku and other CVs are pretty much Unaffected by this.

Now for T6 due to lower amount of Rockets it might Result in a Nerf as well. But we usually only care for T8 and above.

 

 

As for Asking for Buffs.

Yep. GZ at this Point is Complete and Utter Trash.

Now if they Buff it by Nerfing all other CVs or if they Buff it by giving it back at least some Proper Utility. I dont care.

But right now. I am not gonna bother using Graf Zeppelin. Its Complete and Utter Trash.

[steveraptor]

2 minutes ago, lossi_2018 said:

I will add here that some change has occurred to the aim circle of the Ryujo as well, so I believe a general change happened.

Its horrendous, I tried it out in CW yesterday and bow/stern in dds you can, if you VERY lucky, get 1k damage, most often you get 726 damage or nothing.

Considering how easy it is to turn into them or out, it a huge nerf.

Same goes for cruisers, they are no longer reliable "finishers", even bow/stern graff spees don't take more than 1.5k damage.

[ReimuHakurei]

After the rocket reticle change has been announced it was pretty clear where GZ would end up. 

GZ has been reduced to absolute RNG. Everything on it is unreliable and the torps even if they seem fine actually aren't as any player with a little bit of awareness will be able to dodge those absurdly slow torps. 

[steveraptor]

2 minutes ago, ReimuHakurei said:

After the rocket reticle change has been announced it was pretty clear where GZ would end up. 

GZ has been reduced to absolute RNG. Everything on it is unreliable and the torps even if they seem fine actually aren't as any player with a little bit of awareness will be able to dodge those absurdly slow torps. 

At this point the ship has nothing to offer except secondaries and mediocre torps that are still nowhere near the power level of Shokaku and Lexington torps....

 

What a bargain for 14k doubloons, I really feel bad for all those that bought that carrier.

[CptBarney]

6 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

 

Nope that Talk is Accurate.

Graf Zeppelin uses Heavy Rockets. Its German ones so they arent Named Tiny Tims of course. But just like Tiny Tims its just a Few Rockets and thus ends up being Heavily Nerfed by this.

Shokaku and other CVs are pretty much Unaffected by this.

Now for T6 due to lower amount of Rockets it might Result in a Nerf as well. But we usually only care for T8 and above.

 

 

As for Asking for Buffs.

Yep. GZ at this Point is Complete and Utter Trash.

Now if they Buff it by Nerfing all other CVs or if they Buff it by giving it back at least some Proper Utility. I dont care.

But right now. I am not gonna bother using Graf Zeppelin. Its Complete and Utter Trash.

They should get rid of the rocket planes and just buff her torp and AP bombers considerably more, or have both HE and AP bombers, a loadout we don't have atm.

I actually hope now yorkie won't get added in cus peegee will probs make her into a dunce.

 

Suprised germany hasn't built an aircraft carrier yet (modern). Could of had a modern zeppy liek we have a modern granddaughter kaga.

[ReimuHakurei]

Gerade eben, CptBarney sagte:

They should get rid of the rocket planes and just buff her torp and AP bombers considerably more, or have both HE and AP bombers, a loadout we don't have atm.

I actually hope now yorkie won't get added in cus peegee will probs make her into a dunce.

 

Suprised germany hasn't built an aircraft carrier yet (modern). Could of had a modern zeppy liek we have a modern granddaughter kaga.

There is no need for a German CV IRL. 

Even if they built one it could easily be shut down if any need to use it arises as they also lack any necessary escort. And then there is the huge lack of experience. 

[HaachamaShipping]

2 minutes ago, ReimuHakurei said:

There is no need for a German CV IRL. 

Even if they built one it could easily be shut down if any need to use it arises as they also lack any necessary escort. And then there is the huge lack of experience. 

The modern Deutsche Marine already lacks the necessary amount of ships to do its current duties, getting a carrier indeed is the last of its priorities.

[Sunleader]

3 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

They should get rid of the rocket planes and just buff her torp and AP bombers considerably more, or have both HE and AP bombers, a loadout we don't have atm.

I actually hope now yorkie won't get added in cus peegee will probs make her into a dunce.

 

Suprised germany hasn't built an aircraft carrier yet (modern). Could of had a modern zeppy liek we have a modern granddaughter kaga.

 

1 minute ago, ReimuHakurei said:

There is no need for a German CV IRL. 

Even if they built one it could easily be shut down if any need to use it arises as they also lack any necessary escort. And then there is the huge lack of experience. 

 

7 minutes ago, HaachamaShipping said:

The modern Deutsche Marine already lacks the necessary amount of ships to do its current duties, getting a carrier indeed is the last of its priorities.

 

Huh ???

Guys Guys.

Germany is a Nation with a Small Coastline in the North. More than Half of which is bordering the Baltic Sea which is so Small in Width that a Ship cant even move out of Range of Coastal Batteries lol.

 

So What Duties xD

German Navy is mostly Coastal Defence and Commerce Raiding.

 

What the Hell should Germany even do with an Aircraft Carrier ? xD

 

[HaachamaShipping]

4 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

So What Duties xD

German Navy is mostly Coastal Defence and Commerce Raiding.

 

What the Hell should Germany even do with an Aircraft Carrier ? xD

 

Likely would go offtopic going into that, but whatever the future of the German Navy, a carrier really is not very useful there.

[CptBarney]

9 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

German Navy is mostly Coastal Defence and Commerce Raiding.

Against who though? We have two CV's yet they are worthless since they won't be used for anything really and are essentially a waste of money, yet people will build things for the sake of it.

Although your country is planning to build frigates potentially up to 10,000 tonnes (wtf?), they will most likely be the biggest warships germany has built since ww2.

[Aixin]

Vor 2 Stunden, Sunleader sagte:

Well.

Guess as the Graf Zeppelin was the Top DD Hunter and clearly OP compared to the other CVs. I am Happy to Report that the Graf Zeppelin has Finally been Nerfed so it cant just Wreck enemy DDs anymore.

lol.

Yeah Sorry. I cant even do this in a Sarcastic Manner because this is just too Absurd even for a Joke.

 

 

So.

Dive Bombers on GZ were always pretty useless. And got even more Useless Lately. So not really a big thing.

The Torpedo Bombers have always been Pretty Average.

And So far the Rockets were pretty usable against DDs and Cruisers and Partially even BBs.

 

Now however. The Rockets Suffer from the Changed Aiming. And have thus Become Entirely and Utterly Trash.

Even against a Broadside DD you get like 2-3k Damage Max. Against a DD Angling you can be Happy if you get anything at all.

And even against Cruisers they Struggle to actually do any Meaningful Damage.

 

With that. Graf Zeppelin which thanks to the Unreliable Dive Bombers already had only 2 Squadrons that could actually be used anyways.

Is now basicly Down to having just 1 Squadron that is Usable. And that one is Average at Best....

 

 

 

Graf Zeppelin Clearly needs a Pretty Massive Buff now.

Otherwise it is Honestly Said Complete Trash which should not be Bought into Randoms unless you want to be a **** dragging down your Team.....

 

This absolutely is the truth. I really hoped they excluded from the nerfs to rockets since it's just so bad. From my testing on pt the nerf hits gz and Saipan the hardest. Also the the already op cvs like the Shokaku got buffed with those changes..... 

I really hope someone at WG finally notices that this ship is so much out of balans that they have to do sth about it. Maybe they can start by giving dB the löwenhardt aiming technique.