Pommern , wtf is this crap?

[Forum_User]

Vor 3 Minuten, ColonelPete sagte:

 

• Pommern can easily move closer than 14km, she has the armor for that
• missing 3 complete salvos at that distance is either EXTREMLY unlucky or an aiming error

It can get closer, but I do not think that this can be done easily. When your team keeps staying in the back you will have a hard time getting closer, and if enemy DDs do their job its almost impossible. Or you geht close to fire a few salvos, but you deal less damage than you eat.

And yes, this is an extremly unlucky rng, but it shows the tendency of this ship to just not hit at what you are amaing.

[bl66]

19 minutes ago, Forum_User said:

It can get closer, but I do not think that this can be done easily. When your team keeps staying in the back you will have a hard time getting closer, and if enemy DDs do their job its almost impossible. Or you geht close to fire a few salvos, but you deal less damage than you eat.

And yes, this is an extremly unlucky rng, but it shows the tendency of this ship to just not hit at what you are amaing.

Geting closer is not easy and not always possible. If you are seen, you will soon start burning and eating big corrections from the ennemy team who generally can recognise an easy prey. 

 

I have the same experience with her. It can be difficult for people who don't have the ship to believe that. But this just shows the tendency of this ship, as you said. It looks like the ship will always do her possible to miss the target.

[HaachamaShipping]

36 minutes ago, bl66 said:

Alaska is feared by many ships. Some can deal better against her, and yes, Drake is one of them. 

This doesn't mean that Alaske needs a buff...I think she will be nerfed sooner or later, as she is really strong. 100% worth the coal.

My point was rather that in many cruisers, I don't really fear the Pommern. Because of ger inaccurate and lacking penetration guns. 

If I were still playing other tier 9 bbs, I would not fear Pommern either. Why that? Because she doesn't really represent a serious threat to any ship in the current meta.

Which is long range at the start of the game, and pushes when a breach in the ennemy team appears later. 

So, if a ship is not feared by one other or a few others, it doesn't mean she needs a buff. 

If she us feared by none or almost none, she needs one. 

 

 

If I play any T9 cruiser except Belfast, Alaska on its own is a non-issue. In most DDs at T9, Alaska has a radar, but it's far from a DD hunter. In terms of CVs, last time I saw one I actually just carpet bombed it a few times for nice damage. As a BB, it's hard to kill, but the dpm is pretty poor. The biggest issue would be if it rushes you and you have to watch out to not get shot or rammed. Is Drake a ship that is exceptionally well-suited at crapping on Alaska? Yes, sure it is. But you also picked ships like Buffalo. Go tank a Pommern in Seattle. It's not going to work out that well. Similarly, if we take BB vs Alaska, Pommern may not have the AP to easily deal with Alaska, but you cannot just charge a Pommern and hope to get the side for easy cits like you can with T9 monsters like Musashi or Georgia. Any and all ships have to respect the Pommern's close range space and you charge in there, Pommern just reduces you to nothing with secondaries and torps and its main battery. Even at range, while Pommern isn't really strong, the combination of the ship being stupidly armoured and 12 guns, you could likely convince ships like Buffalo to f*** off by shooting HE back if they angle. And against BBs and DDs, the gun caliber of Pommern is of no importance in terms of overmatch, but the alpha and the combination of close range tools makes it a daunting enemy for both if Pommern is ever allowed to get close. Cruisers likely are the one thing were Pommern overall is weaker than some others... and mostly just when the cruiser can angle against Pommern. Otherwse it's still 12 shells.

 

Is Pommern incredibly powerful? Doubt it, but it's far from utterly crap. It is very specialised, but that was forseeable. Why people get it, discover that the playstyle isn't very meta and requires some skill to not utterly suck and then go complain that the ship is bad, I dunno. Pommern is like a GK and Tirpitz crossbreed fit into T9 and just like either of them, they seem mostly harmless, until they goddamn aren't because a competent player managed to move it around and into your face.

[bl66]

28 minutes ago, HaachamaShipping said:

If I play any T9 cruiser except Belfast, Alaska on its own is a non-issue. In most DDs at T9, Alaska has a radar, but it's far from a DD hunter. In terms of CVs, last time I saw one I actually just carpet bombed it a few times for nice damage. As a BB, it's hard to kill, but the dpm is pretty poor. The biggest issue would be if it rushes you and you have to watch out to not get shot or rammed. Is Drake a ship that is exceptionally well-suited at crapping on Alaska? Yes, sure it is. But you also picked ships like Buffalo. Go tank a Pommern in Seattle. It's not going to work out that well. Similarly, if we take BB vs Alaska, Pommern may not have the AP to easily deal with Alaska, but you cannot just charge a Pommern and hope to get the side for easy cits like you can with T9 monsters like Musashi or Georgia. Any and all ships have to respect the Pommern's close range space and you charge in there, Pommern just reduces you to nothing with secondaries and torps and its main battery. Even at range, while Pommern isn't really strong, the combination of the ship being stupidly armoured and 12 guns, you could likely convince ships like Buffalo to f*** off by shooting HE back if they angle. And against BBs and DDs, the gun caliber of Pommern is of no importance in terms of overmatch, but the alpha and the combination of close range tools makes it a daunting enemy for both if Pommern is ever allowed to get close. Cruisers likely are the one thing were Pommern overall is weaker than some others... and mostly just when the cruiser can angle against Pommern. Otherwse it's still 12 shells.

 

Is Pommern incredibly powerful? Doubt it, but it's far from utterly crap. It is very specialised, but that was forseeable. Why people get it, discover that the playstyle isn't very meta and requires some skill to not utterly suck and then go complain that the ship is bad, I dunno. Pommern is like a GK and Tirpitz crossbreed fit into T9 and just like either of them, they seem mostly harmless, until they goddamn aren't because a competent player managed to move it around and into your face.

You should buy and play her, you would then see for yourself that she is not worth the coal nor the cash. 

[ColonelPete]

1 hour ago, bl66 said:

Play it, and you will see that the "best" armour scheme is something you cannot rely on. This is pragmatic experience. Not theoritical thoughts.

And yes, she can punish broadsides. And she will. But very rarely. Not because the aiming is not good, but because she lacks accuracy. Again, a pragmatic experience.

 

Concerning the JB, she would greatly benefit of a better accuracy (With a good accuracy though). She is not a pile of crap though. Much better than the Pommern, hence, even if she is not the best premium bb, I don't see any reason to state that she is bad. And the general stats on wows numbers go in the same direction.

I already explained to you that her armor scheme works for me.

And the pragmatic experience clearly shows that she does quite well.

 

Still the JB wins less than your Pommern and still you do not complain about her, but the Pommern.

1 hour ago, Forum_User said:

It can get closer, but I do not think that this can be done easily. When your team keeps staying in the back you will have a hard time getting closer, and if enemy DDs do their job its almost impossible. Or you geht close to fire a few salvos, but you deal less damage than you eat.

And yes, this is an extremly unlucky rng, but it shows the tendency of this ship to just not hit at what you are amaing.

 

48 minutes ago, bl66 said:

Geting closer is not easy and not always possible. If you are seen, you will soon start burning and eating big corrections from the ennemy team who generally can recognise an easy prey.

Nobody said anything about easy. It is all about the timing and the Hydro helps a bunch with the DD. Just rushing in gets you sunk.

But when you get a close combat ship and do not know how to get into close combat and survive in high Tier, then you bought the wrong ship.

 

[HaachamaShipping]

6 minutes ago, bl66 said:

You should buy and play her, you would then see for yourself that she is not worth the coal nor the cash. 

Just because it isn't crap doesn't mean it is terribly interesting to me. And I'm not gonna spend a crapton of coal on a Pommern just to maybe convince some forumite that Pommern isn't crap. In the end, most people will just believe in their silly stuff anyway and I rather keep the coal.

[bl66]

24 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

I already explained to you that her armor scheme works for me.

And the pragmatic experience clearly shows that she does quite well.

 

Still the JB wins less than your Pommern and still you do not complain about her, but the Pommern.

 

Nobody said anything about easy. It is all about the timing and the Hydro helps a bunch with the DD. Just rushing in gets you sunk.

But when you get a close combat ship and do not know how to get into close combat and survive in high Tier, then you bought the wrong ship.

 

You have no pragmatic experience of the ship, because you don't have it. What you say remains theoritical.

[bl66]

50 minutes ago, HaachamaShipping said:

Just because it isn't crap doesn't mean it is terribly interesting to me. And I'm not gonna spend a crapton of coal on a Pommern just to maybe convince some forumite that Pommern isn't crap. In the end, most people will just believe in their silly stuff anyway and I rather keep the coal.

You are doing a very good choice not buying her. But then, what you say remains theoritical, based upon no pragmatic experience.

[ColonelPete]

4 minutes ago, bl66 said:

You have no pragmatic experience of the ship, because you don't have it. What you say remains theoritical.

So playing high Tier battles is theory? Interesting.

[bl66]

23 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

So playing high Tier battles is theory? Interesting.

No, talking about a ship that you don't have in your port is. 

[ColonelPete]

Just now, bl66 said:

No, talking about a ship that you don't have in your port is. 

Not, when you have experience with her, as I explained.

[bl66]

1 hour ago, ColonelPete said:

Not, when you have experience with her, as I explained.

You have none. You don't have her in your port, you never played it. In my understanding, it is no experience with the ship at all. You only have experience facing her. 

[ColonelPete]

4 minutes ago, bl66 said:

You have none. You don't gave it in your port, you bevrr played it. In ly understanding, it is no experience with the ship at all. 

Looks like you did not understand what I wrote.

[Faceoff]

I found it pretty good in 15-14km range. But then u have to be sure a Fire dragon isnt close by. Pommern burns like theres no tomorrow. Fires are a tad OP.

[Jonathan078NL]

On 12/1/2020 at 3:16 PM, Faceoff said:

I found it pretty good in 15-14km range. But then u have to be sure a Fire dragon isnt close by. Pommern burns like theres no tomorrow. Fires are a tad OP.

 

Fire prevention is a must-have skill for Pommern IMHO. She performs better with it, keeps you alive/ingame longer with all this HE spam.

 

I consider myself an average / slightly above average player. I just got Georgia, played a few games in her, lost most of them for now. Hope this will improve over time, it looks like a lovely ship and I read enough good things about her.. For now I seem to struggle more with Georgia then Pommern, I guess this has to do with the differences in armor schemes and the few games I played in Georgia yet. Maybe it all comes down to personal playstyle too.

 

Georgia gets me faster into trouble with her insane speedboost, I need some practice to prevent this. Overtakin team DD's is a gonna give you a bad time if you don't pay enough attention to it XD. I feel sorry for those having a bad experience in Pommern. Some issues with her I can admit, like the RNG mainguns. I like Tirpitz/Bismarck/Scharnhorst, which makes the transaction to Pommern pretty natural for me. Her main guns can shine close to mid range, which is what this ship is build for. Sniping is not an option.

 

Off-topic: Ägir is a beast in my humble experience, I think I even like her more then Alaska... Guess I'm a KriegsMarine then.....

[CPL_Sivi]

Well i have Pommern. Got some 80 battles in it. So i guess i have some exp in it. The ship is fine. Typical GE brawl BB. Snipe and u will fail miserably. But when u hug some land close to cap pop hydro and butcher that dd inside, ur face turns into a grin. Didnt play in a while but i took her out tonight for a spin. Not a stellar fight but ina 3 dd game took out 2 dds, secure 2 caps got some 50k dmg and survived till the end. Dmg is on a low side but i was fighting those 2 dds most of the game so i couldnt farm dmg. Anyway fletcher and friesland were not enough to bring Pommern down even with some bb and ca help. But when u deny enemy to focus u Pommern has the power to brake the game. All in all if u like ge bb style like gneisenau, tirpitz or bismarck, u will love pommern as well. I know i do. 

[Islandern]

What Sigma did Pommern end up with, 1.5? 

[_Th3_H0ly_AP_Shell]

Vor 1 Stunde, Islandern sagte:

What Sigma did Pommern end up with, 1.5? 

Yes

[Islandern]

42 minutes ago, _Th3_H0ly_AP_Shell said:

Yes

Thanks,

[S_h_i_v_a]

Alle 30/11/2020 alle 12:11, ColonelPete ha scritto:

So a ship that is better than a mediocre ship is crap. Interesting.

You are aware that premiums are not P2W?

Sir, with all respect....

 

Mainz? Georgia? JB? Atago? Kidd? Cossack? Alaska? Stalingrad? Thunderer?

 

Yes, without skill you still lose but with some premiums winning gets easier.

 

[ColonelPete]

49 minutes ago, S_h_i_v_a said:

Sir, with all respect....

 

Mainz? Georgia? JB? Atago? Kidd? Cossack? Alaska? Stalingrad? Thunderer?

 

Yes, without skill you still lose but with some premiums winning gets easier.

 

None is P2W and you cannot even buy Stalingrad...

[S_h_i_v_a]

17 ore fa, ColonelPete ha scritto:

None is P2W 

 

I have to accept your opinion, but i still stay on mine

 

[ColonelPete]

47 minutes ago, S_h_i_v_a said:

 

I have to accept your opinion, but i still stay on mine

 

Please do, but watching videos will not win you matches.

Better to play yourself and form your own opinion.

[anonym_cwVecOS6ecVy]

19 hours ago, S_h_i_v_a said:

Sir, with all respect....

 

Mainz? Georgia? JB? Atago? Kidd? Cossack? Alaska? Stalingrad? Thunderer?

 

Yes, without skill you still lose but with some premiums winning gets easier.

 

Hidden statistic guy's Op premium rant. Lovely. They always come in the same form and color.

[HassenderZerhacker]

On 8/6/2020 at 6:27 PM, Miragetank90 said:

You will probably not be convinced otherwise, but Pommern is going to prove to be a strong BB. Mark my words. 

 

In any case, you have not yet played the ship or yet know how it performs to be asking for buffs, and you are overly focusing on one aspect of the ship rather than considering the whole.

 

haha

I marked your words

look at it now.

Pommern when angled eats 15k + from a Sinop.

=> trashbin