Can we all just get along?

[lothos]

I don't know why or what it is, but after a couple weeks of reading day in and day out thread after thread on here the derogatory remarks made against anyone and everyone on here and in game. Being as I am i partial to naval games I really don't want to see this game go down the same cesspool that WoT has fallen into with the mud slinging etc. Can we all stop being insulting stat nazi's for a change and respect everyone's opinions and perhaps try to view issues from more than one perspective and find the middle ground?

[Orree]

A lot of the same people who played WoT are here playing WoWs.  The behavior is largely the same, as near as I can tell.  You even have people insulting/berating people in training battles (which I find particularly funny/apalling).

 

Sadly, given the anonymity of the interwebz/online gaming, this will never change.  We can only do our part in keeping it friendly.

[Userext]

A lot of the same people who played WoT are here playing WoWs.  The behavior is largely the same, as near as I can tell.  You even have people insulting/berating people in training battles (which I find particularly funny/apalling).

 

Sadly, given the anonymity of the interwebz/online gaming, this will never change.  We can only do our part in keeping it friendly.

 

he is talking about me and other people who complained about aim asist users. you know the ones who started to have bad stats after 3.1 compared to pre 3.1 

[lothos]

 

he is talking about me and other people who complained about aim asist users. you know the ones who started to have bad stats after 3.1 compared to pre 3.1 

 

no, you're just on the soapbox today. I've seen far worse in threads I haven't even posted in and its quite frankly borderline disgusting.

[Userext]

no, you're just on the soapbox today. I've seen far worse in threads I haven't even posted in and its quite frankly borderline disgusting.

 

doesnt matter you still mentioned same thing to me they didnt ban warpack for wot EU but people hate those who use it right? the toxic ones in this community are the aim asist users for now there were 2 threads after 3.1 ASKING aim asist back -.-

[lothos]

 

doesnt matter you still mentioned same thing to me they didnt ban warpack for wot EU but people hate those who use it right? the toxic ones in this community are the aim asist users for now there were 2 threads after 3.1 ASKING aim asist back -.-

 

i apologize, but i'm not sure what you mean that I mentioned? I did try a different aiming mod myself the other day and uninstalled it after one game as it was just horrid to me. I don't even like the torpedo assist that WG gives you really. To me, proper aiming is the whole point to playing the game.

[MudMonkey]

And so....it starts.

[Userext]

 

i apologize, but i'm not sure what you mean that I mentioned? I did try a different aiming mod myself the other day and uninstalled it after one game as it was just horrid to me. I don't even like the torpedo assist that WG gives you really. To me, proper aiming is the whole point to playing the game.

 

from the otehr topic about me bashing on that guy because his stats obviously went down from what it was pre 3.1

also you when did you installed aim asist? since 3.1 went live there is no way bringing it back so whatever you tried probably isnt what we are talking about

torpedo asist is needed because destroyer torpedoes at best goes 35m/s and at worst goes 24.7m/s while shells are much faster(originally at most 800m/s but in game shells have over 1000m/s speed

btw at the high tiers your aim asist doesnt help you much because people at that tiers knows how to play so this isnt like seal clubbing at minekaze

[Orree]

 

he is talking about me and other people who complained about aim asist users. you know the ones who started to have bad stats after 3.1 compared to pre 3.1 

 

 

 

Actually, i'm not talking about that at all.  I never used it and didn't like that some people did, but I certainly never berated them about it.  I never accused anyone or openly complained about it for the simple reason that you can always suspect, but you can't prove and I'd rather let it go then falsely accuse someone.  I was once accused for using the "aim assist" program because I hit someone moving parallel to me at about 13km (utterly ridiculous accusation because that's a pretty damned common and easy shot).

 

I'm more just talking about people who like to blame others for their (in game) death, a loss or whatever else.  People who belittle or berate others who might not be as "good" as they are at a game.

 

Like I said, I don't notice much different about player behavior in this game than from my years of playing WoT.  The group of people is the same...humans who play online games.

 

 

 

[lothos]

 

from the otehr topic about me bashing on that guy because his stats obviously went down from what it was pre 3.1

also you when did you installed aim asist? since 3.1 went live there is no way bringing it back so whatever you tried probably isnt what we are talking about

torpedo asist is needed because destroyer torpedoes at best goes 35m/s and at worst goes 24.7m/s while shells are much faster(originally at most 800m/s but in game shells have over 1000m/s speed

btw at the high tiers your aim asist doesnt help you much because people at that tiers knows how to play so this isnt like seal clubbing at minekaze

 

well, that guy I know for a fact doesn't use an aim mod. and judging a person pre 3.1 to post is unfair given the change to HE damage. Especially if someone plays mostly BB's.

 

the mod I had tried and hated was the top down view mod that gave you like an arty view for your guns. horrible horrible thing. It did however emphasize a complaint I have about something else. Just debating if its worth even starting a thread about it.

 

I still don't think the aim assist for torps is needed. If anything that could leave them in say tier 1-4 to help new players and just leave it off above tier 5.

[Userext]

 

 

 

Actually, i'm not talking about that at all.  I never used it and didn't like that some people did, but I certainly never berated them about it.  I never accused anyone or openly complained about it for the simple reason that you can always suspect, but you can't prove and I'd rather let it go then falsely accuse someone.  I was once accused for using the "aim assist" program because I hit someone moving parallel to me at about 13km (utterly ridiculous accusation because that's a pretty damned common and easy shot).

 

I'm more just talking about people who like to blame others for their (in game) death, a loss or whatever else.  People who belittle or berate others who might not be as "good" as they are at a game.

 

Like I said, I don't notice much different about player behavior in this game than from my years of playing WoT.  The group of people is the same...humans who play online games.

 

 

 

 

well if this same guy thinks that destroyers must be nerfed(yeah even after 3.1) with such "high" stats my spider tentacles gets warned

[lothos]

 

well if this same guy thinks that destroyers must be nerfed(yeah even after 3.1) with such "high" stats my spider tentacles gets warned

 

to be fair he never said to nerf dd's.

[Userext]

 

well, that guy I know for a fact doesn't use an aim mod. and judging a person pre 3.1 to post is unfair given the change to HE damage. Especially if someone plays mostly BB's.

 

the mod I had tried and hated was the top down view mod that gave you like an arty view for your guns. horrible horrible thing. It did however emphasize a complaint I have about something else. Just debating if its worth even starting a thread about it.

 

I still don't think the aim assist for torps is needed. If anything that could leave them in say tier 1-4 to help new players and just leave it off above tier 5.

 

dude i told you that shells goes over 1000m/s in game and fastest DD torpedo goes 35m/s in game it isnt like "let me fire one and see if it hits"  you dont have any ship above minekaze i dont know why you are talking about the high tier DDs when you dont even have them. you cant predict a 35m/s shell's place can you? if you can then you have the right to not press X over your target and try to hit them

 

and that guy as i said before thinks DDs are OP and needs nerf even after 3.1 disaster his stats and his words are diffrent

[Userext]

 

to be fair he never said to nerf dd's.

 

In my opinion things at current are just not balanced you have got dd's that are currently owning most games your in with there  stealth and torpedo's  and being able to get within 3k of there target without being seen (before anyone comments and tries to deny it I have managed to do that my self on my sims) you either need to nerf them or make secondary armaments more accurate and effective.  

[tajj7]

Well stats kind of undermine peoples arguments like guys clearly who have only played BBs and used aim assist suddenly moaning BBs are weak even though they are stronger than ever etc.

 

It's to be expected when people offer controversial opinions that people will check out their stats as in a lot of cases they may be bias because they only play that one class or they claim another class is massively OP yet utterly fail in it etc.

 

It's a forum, things are discussed and personally stats are fair game IMO, they show insight into people's competence and experience, and will also reveal bias like the WOT arty players who defend arty yet fail in normal tanks and do much more damage in arty than normal tanks, well clear case of bias and it undermines any point they have because really they just want their crutch saved.

 

Like the above said there have been people on here today claiming DDs OP having never played them or played them badly and having only really played Bbs themselves against people who play all classes, it's understandable and quite right things like that are picked up. 

[lothos]

its completely moronic to say somebody is a blatant aim assist user just looking at their stats.

 

and the second problem with stats is they never take into account the persons internet connection. I for one play from the US on a 1.5mb connection that is crap at times.

 

and third, a person that likes playing one unit over another may be biased sure, but it doesn't mean they're looking for a crutch. If people would be more open minded maybe the real problem will be found out and fixed.

 

For example, the invisible DD/CL issue. It does exist but its not fundamentally a problem with the ships detectability range. Something else is going on and I think it has to do with the client update interval, ship scan frequency, or something else. Gung ho DD drivers though will never admit to it though and nothing ever gets discussed politely to find out whats really going on.

[Userext]

its completely moronic to say somebody is a blatant aim assist user just looking at their stats.

 

This guy has some good stats in his japanese battleships and not so much in US ones and he claims DDs are OP

now i wouldnt say he is a aim asist user if i wouldnt see him talking about nerfing DDs even after 3.1

 

i dont know why you are trying to be this guy's lawyer all of a sudden but seriously? he has 14 games in his sims and he claims DDs OP and needs to be nerfed only bad players would say such stuff like that when someone earns the trophy taht he doesnt deserve he will eventually make it obvious with his talk and his opinions this is straight logic 

[lothos]

 

This guy has some good stats in his japanese battleships and not so much in US ones and he claims DDs are OP

now i wouldnt say he is a aim asist user if i wouldnt see him talking about nerfing DDs even after 3.1

 

i dont know why you are trying to be this guy's lawyer all of a sudden but seriously? he has 14 games in his sims and he claims DDs OP and needs to be nerfed only bad players would say such stuff like that when someone earns the trophy taht he doesnt deserve he will eventually make it obvious with his talk and his opinions this is straight logic 

 

i'm not trying to be his lawyer or anything. I simply know personally he's not an aim assist user. beyond that read into stats anything else you wish. The point of this thread is the people bashing assumptions are utter crap on here and all you're doing is reinforcing my point about it.

[Sharana]

lothos, on 20 May 2015 - 10:09 PM, said:

its completely moronic to say somebody is a blatant aim assist user just looking at their stats.

Is it? I needed exactly 30 seconds to look at the details and now there is no power that can convince that he was not using the aimmod at some point (nothing wrong, most of us have tested it at least but don't deny that). There is simply nothing that can explain those huge anomalies.

 

He is ... well I'm sorry but pathetic in Cleavland->Aoba->Myoko->Pensacola->Mogami->Atlanta and out of a sudded he is great with New Orleans and now good with Baltimore, because the stats are decreasing after the aimmod is gone.

Same for some IJN BBs and now the Americans. How can player with 23K damage in Iowa, 57K in Yamato (was more probably, now decreasing) have the same 57K in Fuso without help?

[Userext]

 

i'm not trying to be his lawyer or anything. I simply know personally he's not an aim assist user. beyond that read into stats anything else you wish. The point of this thread is the people bashing assumptions are utter crap on here and all you're doing is reinforcing my point about it.

 

reinforcing your point? ahhahahahaahha i doubt you know him personally

Lets take wot as an example shall we? in wot unicums wouldnt say that heavy tanks are OP would they now? if someone like this guy has good stats before 3.1 and loses that after 3.1 that is not %100 aim asist user he might not have adopted to changes but saying destroyers need nerf is an indicator what are you going to say about his opinions over "must nerf destroyers" ? nothing? that my friend is a lawyer act

[lothos]

Is it? I needed exactly 30 seconds to look at the details and now there is no power that can convince that he was not using the aimmod at some point (nothing wrong, most of us have tested it at least but don't deny that). There is simply nothing that can explain those huge anomalies.

 

He is ... well I'm sorry but pathetic in Cleavland->Aoba->Myoko->Pensacola->Mogami->Atlanta and out of a sudded he is great with New Orleans and now good with Baltimore, because the stats are decreasing after the aimmod is gone.

Same for some IJN BBs and now the Americans. How can player with 23K damage in Iowa, 57K in Yamato (was more probably, now decreasing) have the same 57K in Fuso without help?

 

uh, fuso has 6 turrets and iowa has 4 for one thing. pensacola is a crap ship, myoko was bad, aoba has issues...etc.

 

my point is, I would give you my left nut if he were using any aim assist. Hell, my first born son. You're simply flat out utterly wrong on your assumption. Again though, you're being a stat nazi about it and proving my point continuously.

[lothos]

 

reinforcing your point? ahhahahahaahha i doubt you know him personally

Lets take wot as an example shall we? in wot unicums wouldnt say that heavy tanks are OP would they now? if someone like this guy has good stats before 3.1 and loses that after 3.1 that is not %100 aim asist user he might not have adopted to changes but saying destroyers need nerf is an indicator what are you going to say about his opinions over "must nerf destroyers" ? nothing? that my friend is a lawyer act

 

you mean you dont know anyone personally online? I feel very sorry for you. I know people I play with online that I've been friends with for 25 years. I've traveled around the globe visiting some of them even. Like I said this thread is all about. Quit being [edited] to one another.

[Userext]

 

you mean you dont know anyone personally online? I feel very sorry for you. I know people I play with online that I've been friends with for 25 years. I've traveled around the globe visiting some of them even. Like I said this thread is all about. Quit being [edited] to one another.

 

oh the irony

[Sharana]

 

uh, fuso has 6 turrets and iowa has 4 for one thing. pensacola is a crap ship, myoko was bad, aoba has issues...etc.

 

my point is, I would give you my left nut if he were using any aim assist. Hell, my first born son. You're simply flat out utterly wrong on your assumption. Again though, you're being a stat nazi about it and proving my point continuously.

 

Just to say that New Orleans is absolutely no better then Pensacola - pretty much the same ship. Yet again the stats are twice as good out of a sudden.

Fuso may have more turrets (with less guns btw), but the guns on Iowa (3x3) deal more damage and the targets have morehp. 1 salvo with Iowa will bring you more damage then 1 salvo with Fuso on avarage..

 

[OVanBruce]

Let's just face it guys. It's not that we don't have an opinion or can't have it. It's just that we dunno how to have a proper debate in the internet.

 

Having said that, it's not like you should enter in each one of the debates going on, because frankly, there will allways be people that will talk whatever stuff they want wether they know about it or not. Against that, in a normal world your best bet would be ignoring then. But the main problem is that we dunno how much their opinions are actually influencing the devs on how to shape the game.