What's wrong with Asashio ?

[Herbstnebel1975]

Last 3 days I've a winrate of 12.5% with Asashio. I did about 10 battles more or less and the MM sux big time. Half the team are just fun cruisers or islandcampers and it's impossible for me to carry the team as I have only deep water torps and slow reloading guns. 

But that's not all, the vessel catches fire like a crap attracts flies :-D . If I receive 10x a rain of shells I'm getting 8x times fire and the other 2 times my engine got broken. Seting up a smoke screen does not help, the enemy puts me on fire...I extinguish with the repair control and the next shot I'm again on fire so I can't hide in my smokescreen.... It happens not just once but over and over again and only the last 3 days.

 

The Asashio was a fun vessel but now ...it's just crap, MM sux and RNG is at 90%. Thanks God I could compensate my stats and winrate with my other ships.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

Meta problem. Also, it seems BB's have learned to be more careful and change course (too) often.

[ColonelPete]

35 minutes ago, Herbstnebel1975 said:

Last 3 days I've a winrate of 12.5% with Asashio. I did about 10 battles more or less and the MM sux big time. Half the team are just fun cruisers or islandcampers and it's impossible for me to carry the team as I have only deep water torps and slow reloading guns. 

But that's not all, the vessel catches fire like a crap attracts flies :-D . If I receive 10x a rain of shells I'm getting 8x times fire and the other 2 times my engine got broken. Seting up a smoke screen does not help, the enemy puts me on fire...I extinguish with the repair control and the next shot I'm again on fire so I can't hide in my smokescreen.... It happens not just once but over and over again and only the last 3 days.

 

The Asashio was a fun vessel but now ...it's just crap, MM sux and RNG is at 90%. Thanks God I could compensate my stats and winrate with my other ships.

Check your playstile.

BB numbers are on the rise. You should have enough targets.

[lup3s]

42 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

Meta problem. Also, it seems BB's have learned to be more careful and change course (too) often.

 

Some consider dodging torps to be an exploit though  you're not supposed to use WASD and evade all the torps! 

 

Anyway, who could predict that the Asashio's counter would be the WASD-keys .. unimaginable ! 

[Karasu_Browarszky]

7 minutes ago, lup3s said:

 

Some consider dodging torps to be an exploit though  you're not supposed to use WASD and evade all the torps! 

 

Anyway, who could predict that the Asashio's counter would be the WASD-keys .. unimaginable ! 

 

It's not just the WASD hack, though obviously that makes the torpedoes miss their target. The radar, CV planes, islands and enemy DD's are a factor. If you launch your torpedoes at a safe distance, they get pretty easy to dodge. If you push close enough, you face the enemy screen of gunboat DD's, radar cruisers, that is if you actually got close enough without getting spotted by the CV...

[Altsak]

8 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 you face the enemy screen of gunboat DD's, radar cruisers

 

That's why you have eyes on the minimap and RPF. Minimap tells you where the radar cruisers are and RPF tells where the screening DD is not. Get your engagement range to 6-8km and you'll have happy times.

[Beastofwar]

1 hour ago, Herbstnebel1975 said:

Last 3 days I've a winrate of 12.5% with Asashio. I did about 10 battles more or less and the MM sux big time. Half the team are just fun cruisers or islandcampers and it's impossible for me to carry the team as I have only deep water torps and slow reloading guns. 

But that's not all, the vessel catches fire like a crap attracts flies :-D . If I receive 10x a rain of shells I'm getting 8x times fire and the other 2 times my engine got broken. Seting up a smoke screen does not help, the enemy puts me on fire...I extinguish with the repair control and the next shot I'm again on fire so I can't hide in my smokescreen.... It happens not just once but over and over again and only the last 3 days.

 

The Asashio was a fun vessel but now ...it's just crap, MM sux and RNG is at 90%. Thanks God I could compensate my stats and winrate with my other ships.

 

You should not be seen in that DD. Not at all.

 

It has 20 km torps ( 16 with torp accel ) so there is really no need to go near where you might be seen. You don't fire guns......You don't try to cap contested caps.......it might aswell have no guns.

 

You avoid enemy DD and Cruisers as you have no chance against them with guns alone.

 

It is used to torpedo BB and CV from strict invivibility. Guns are for killing very low HP targets of opportunity only. As you will be invisible again when it is destroyed before returning fire or let its allies return fire.

 

Played well you do not contribute to victory in the usual DD way. You contribute by removing captial ships. When you don't do it that way, you (often) fail.

 

Taking that ship to ranked can work.....but action is faster giving it less opportunities and there may be less capital ships aswell.  What will you do against 4 DD's per side matches ? Matches filled with Cruisers you can't torpedo ? It is a gamble that can work but often does not.

 

That said i used it 3 times i ranked ( yes, yes sample size blahblah ) and that didn't went awfulll...so it can sometimes work. I play all my Tier 8's contrary to "WR focussed players" so i dont get to use all ships hundreds of times.....

 

 

 

[rurkovsky]

4 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

 

You should not be seen in that DD. Not at all.

 

It has 20 km torps ( 16 with torp accel ) so there is really no need to go near where you might be seen. You don't fire guns......You don't try to cap contested caps.......it might aswell have no guns.

 

You avoid enemy DD and Cruisers as you have no chance against them with guns alone.

 

It is used to torpedo BB and CV from strict invivibility. Guns are for killing very low HP targets of opportunity only.

 

 

What's that? Beginner guide for how not to play DD? Troll?

For every Asashio player, do opposite...

Of course don't engage cruisers or gunboat dd's but ffs use your guns. Shoot from smoke, use your 5,4 camo to outspot other dds, lounch torpedos from 6-7 km making them undodgeable. PRESS "+" buttom couple of times and read the fuc##ng map. Never go after CV, he will know that, you can always lounch torps at his last kniwn position. Most of them won't move whole game.

 

[Kenjiro_]

1 hour ago, Herbstnebel1975 said:

Last 3 days I've a winrate of 12.5% with Asashio. I did about 10 battles more or less and the MM sux big time. Half the team are just fun cruisers or islandcampers and it's impossible for me to carry the team as I have only deep water torps and slow reloading guns. 

But that's not all, the vessel catches fire like a crap attracts flies :-D . If I receive 10x a rain of shells I'm getting 8x times fire and the other 2 times my engine got broken. Seting up a smoke screen does not help, the enemy puts me on fire...I extinguish with the repair control and the next shot I'm again on fire so I can't hide in my smokescreen.... It happens not just once but over and over again and only the last 3 days.

 

The Asashio was a fun vessel but now ...it's just crap, MM sux and RNG is at 90%. Thanks God I could compensate my stats and winrate with my other ships.

 

All the idio.. err, potato BBs are playing "ranked" nowadays...So there is less food for Asashio on "random"

[Verblonde]

2 hours ago, Herbstnebel1975 said:

I did about 10 battles more or less and the MM sux big time.

Besides it being a very small data-set, I do agree that Asashio is probably a bit harder to play now than it used to be, although I've not played mine much recently. I suspect a couple of factors are in play:

• More people know about her now; this is the main factor, I think. Unless you're spectacularly new, you'll probably know about the thing and her key peculiarities; the strength of Asashio - for me anyway - was the ability to take out enemy BBs early in the game, so reducing the opposition's available firepower (and tanking capacity) early enough to matter. It feels like there may be fewer straightlining BBs (when they see an Asashio facing them) now than there used to be; to get the early kills you need multiple hits, rather than just to 'wing' someone..
• CVs (especially) and radar: there are plenty of these around and they make life harder for anything that relies on stealth; Asashio is especially impacted due to the reduced target set requiring it to be in more predictable locations, if it wants to strike them.
• Lack of practice (for some): I hadn't played my Asashios for months, and took one out for a run a few weeks ago; it did not go well. I have been playing other Kagero variants, but to be effective in Asashio does require a specific approach and practicing helps. I imagine that results would improve with a longer run of games?
• Possible better torp dodging abilities: we've had the Ikea DDs (with their rocket-propelled torps) in the game for a while now; to avoid getting peppered with squeaky toys, players' ability to evade faster torps should have got better, and this might be making life harder for Asashio too.

It's worth noting though that Asashio was never 'easy mode' if you wanted to have a meaningful influence on the battle, although it was easy to get decent rewards from a battle, as you only needed a few hits to do a lot of damage...

[FlyingBender]

Asashio with faster reloading guns could be a very funny ship and compesate the deep torps.

[Verblonde]

2 minutes ago, Bender76048k said:

Asashio with faster reloading guns could be a very funny ship and compesate the deep torps.

I have an idle notion to - at some point - rebuild one of mine for maximum dakka; I'm pretty confident it would be sub-optimal, but it might be fun to see what would happen.

 

You couldn't go as full dakka as you could with a Shima, due to the lack of upgrade slots, but Main Battery Mod 2, plus BFT, EM, and maybe AFT captain might be a giggle...

[GraySlayer]

3 hours ago, Herbstnebel1975 said:

Last 3 days I've a winrate of 12.5% with Asashio. I did about 10 battles more or less and the MM sux big time. Half the team are just fun cruisers or islandcampers and it's impossible for me to carry the team as I have only deep water torps and slow reloading guns. 

But that's not all, the vessel catches fire like a crap attracts flies :-D . If I receive 10x a rain of shells I'm getting 8x times fire and the other 2 times my engine got broken. Seting up a smoke screen does not help, the enemy puts me on fire...I extinguish with the repair control and the next shot I'm again on fire so I can't hide in my smokescreen.... It happens not just once but over and over again and only the last 3 days.

 

The Asashio was a fun vessel but now ...it's just crap, MM sux and RNG is at 90%. Thanks God I could compensate my stats and winrate with my other ships.

 

I've always done ok in mine Wr wise although it's not my favourite DD being quite situational and i've not played it for ages as i've been focusing on getting my Shima skills and her WR up.... Ill take it out for a few games and see what it's like now.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

1 hour ago, Altsak said:

 

That's why you have eyes on the minimap and RPF. Minimap tells you where the radar cruisers are and RPF tells where the screening DD is not. Get your engagement range to 6-8km and you'll have happy times.

 

I hadn't thought about using the RDF that way... I'm not actually sure my regular Asashio captains even have that skill, but I'll have to give it a try. I don't need the minimap to know where the radar cruisers are most of the time, behind a nice big hunk of a rock near an otherwise tempting cap zone.

 

Obviously a trap.

 

And equally obviously my team is pinging the map like crazy and telling me.... to go to that cap.

[GraySlayer]

1 minute ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

I hadn't thought about using the RDF that way... I'm not actually sure my regular Asashio captains even have that skill, but I'll have to give it a try. I don't need the minimap to know where the radar cruisers are most of the time, behind a nice big hunk of a rock near an otherwise tempting cap zone.

 

Obviously a trap.

 

And equally obviously my team is pinging the map like crazy and telling me.... to go to that cap.

 

RPF is a go to skill for me on all my IJN DDs.. 

[Beastofwar]

6 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

I hadn't thought about using the RDF that way... I'm not actually sure my regular Asashio captains even have that skill, but I'll have to give it a try. I don't need the minimap to know where the radar cruisers are most of the time, behind a nice big hunk of a rock near an otherwise tempting cap zone.

 

Obviously a trap.

 

And equally obviously my team is pinging the map like crazy and telling me.... to go to that cap.

 

I hate that RDF skill....not that i am affraid of it : shooting 1st does certainly not mean killing 1st,  but it blocks you from passing the enemy lines undetected. And the ones you really want to kill are in the back....

 

But indeed...rather then whining about that, one could consider using it oneself....

[Hopeless_Guppy]

3 hours ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

Meta problem. Also, it seems BB's have learned to be more careful and change course (too) often.

I find this too in CV's with BB's change direction far too much, lol

 

Seems the long range torps are her only party trick, so many variants of the IJN DD's out of them all, the Atazuki seems my favourite, longest range guns seem to belong to the Benson, seems we need a perfect DD to counter those Bismarck's C'mon WG we know you are good at dreaming things up

[Karasu_Browarszky]

8 minutes ago, GraySlayer said:

 

RPF is a go to skill for me on all my IJN DDs.. 

 

So would I, but I am currently using a less than 19 pt captain on the Asashio IIRC, and I'll have to see what I can afford after taking the torpedo related skills.

 

7 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

 

I hate that RDF skill....not that i am affraid of it : shooting 1st does certainly not mean killing 1st,  but it blocks you from passing the enemy lines undetected. And the ones you really want to kill are in the back....

 

But indeed...rather then whining about that, one could consider using it oneself....

 

In a sense, though, the RDF is a relic. If the enemy team has a semi-competent CV they will hunt you down before you even get close to the optimal torpedo distance.

[Excavatus]

I know the one who plays asahio with love instead of skill.. he may help! 

@MrWastee

 

Can you help? 

[Karasu_Browarszky]

10 minutes ago, Inappropriate_noob said:

I find this too in CV's with BB's change direction far too much, lol

 

Seems the long range torps are her only party trick, so many variants of the IJN DD's out of them all, the Atazuki seems my favourite, longest range guns seem to belong to the Benson, seems we need a perfect DD to counter those Bismarck's C'mon WG we know you are good at dreaming things up

 

One of the problems is related with captain skills, specifically the torpedo acceleration which you can easily use with the Asashio but not with other DD's. It is somewhat tempting to make a dedicated captain for the Asashio, because she is fundamentally so different. That will, however, cost points you could otherwise use elsewhere, perhaps more efficiently even.

[Panocek]

23 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

I have an idle notion to - at some point - rebuild one of mine for maximum dakka; I'm pretty confident it would be sub-optimal, but it might be fun to see what would happen.

 

You couldn't go as full dakka as you could with a Shima, due to the lack of upgrade slots, but Main Battery Mod 2, plus BFT, EM, and maybe AFT captain might be a giggle...

I've worked my way through IJN "torpedoboats" with gun spec. These guns are way better than most people give them credit while doing single launch of torps is good way of bypassing lengthy reload - if target doesn't evade, eating even one torp will oof them. If they evade, there is good chance they will evade all of them leaving you fishless for considerable amount of time.

 

And I wouldn't spec AFT, as shells lose velocity FAST.

[ColonelPete]

When you have problems with Asashio, it is not the ship...

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20200801/eu_2month/average_ship_u.html

[Kiagy]

Asashio is my favourite ship, great concealment, useless AA, good main guns, but most of all devastating torps.

 

Stay away from cruisers with radar and you will be fine

[GraySlayer]

Well I tried but was up against NOCAP and BOTES so it was a hard slog for me.. Good game though..

 

[lafeel]

The same thing that's been wrong with her since release, she's over specialized.