Upgrading a ship lacks of excitement

[Livininabox]

One thing that has bothered me a bit since I started playing : upgrading a ship gives me no feeling of achievement. I clic on the upgrade, and... nothing happens, really.

 

If I keep in mind the shape of my ship pre-upgrade, I can sometimes tell : "oh, this is new". But most of the time, I have absolutely no idea what has been improved graphically speaking. 

 

Maybe it's because I come from a MMO/RPG background, but upgrading a piece of equipment should bring some kind of "graphical satisfaction", like a little animation, highlighted guns swap or whatever. 

 

I know there are some more pressing issues, obviously, but I would really love to see my ship change before my eyes. Like in WoT, where I could see my new turret, or my new gun, and feel rewarded by this. 

 

Otherwise : great game ! 

[Exustio]

Sometimes there are graphical changes made to the ship, but this concers mostly to the following: 

• A change of the number of guns per main armament turret (Mogami, goes from 3 guns/turret to 2 guns, which btw results in lower DPM)
• A choice between AA/secondary guns (Take a look at almost all American Battleships)

 

In the end, upgrades are usually a choice, and in some cases, can drasticly change your playstyle in certain ships. For example Hatsuharu, where your torpedo range stock is 6km whilst your concealment is 5.9km, which will make u unable to snipe whilest remaining undetected, whereas if u upgrade, the range increases to 10km, which will allow u to remain hidden. 

 

If u are looking for actual chances to cosmetics of ships without any statistical benefit.....im afraid u will have to look at modders.....

[Ebusus]

Interesting point,

I also feel that the changes happen in my opinion so fast that you barely can get used to any telling detail of your ship.

 

As I upgrade to the next level ship I usually have free experience waiting to jump right to the hull upgrades.

 

I think its a pitty that I all those nice graphics of the first level hulls barely exist, if even, for a few battles before getting upgraded.

[Hedgehog1963]

I think the fct that you can see the ship change is good, but because they fix the point of view to off the starboard  bow you can't see the changes happening properly. Perhaps if they allowed you to set what ever pov you anted as you press the button it would seem more rewarding.

[Ebusus]

It would be nice that if you would move your cursor over a different version that you could admire and see the improvements and changes made to your ship. Right now you see one ship, upgrade and you better remember how it looked before as you do not get another chance at the old style.

[Purple_Alert]

I dunno. I find it interesting to see what I can spot between the upgrades on hull. They have done some really nice modelling and if you look close you can see a lot of changes.

[Historynerd]

The early American BBs do change quite a lot when you get the hull upgrade, just to give one example.

 

Anyway, this is mostly based on history, so I don't see how the "graphical satisfaction" is an issue. Ships could and can be refitted, and pretty radically too, but they can't become outright something else.

[Livininabox]

I'm going to compare the way WoWs and Silent Hunter 3 behave when it come down to upgrading.

 

In SH3, you see the profile of your submarine, and when you clic once on the upgrade, the new module appears on the sub and is highlighted. It is obvious when it's a new tower, but even an upgraded hydrophone array is made visible, even though the change is not that dramatic. 

 

In WoWs, I clic on "upgrade", and then nothing much happens. A few credits disappear, some turrets appear or change shape if I pay close attention, and that's it. 

 

I know we don't get as many upgrades as in SH3 for obvious reasons -and given the huge cost of an upgrade in SH3 it better be made very visible- but... there you go. My craving for upgrading überness is frustrated : )

[Historynerd]

I'm going to compare the way WoWs and Silent Hunter 3 behave when it come down to upgrading.

 

In SH3, you see the profile of your submarine, and when you clic once on the upgrade, the new module appears on the sub and is highlighted. It is obvious when it's a new tower, but even an upgraded hydrophone array is made visible, even though the change is not that dramatic. 

 

In WoWs, I clic on "upgrade", and then nothing much happens. A few credits disappear, some turrets appear or change shape if I pay close attention, and that's it. 

 

I know we don't get as many upgrades as in SH3 for obvious reasons -and given the huge cost of an upgrade in SH3 it better be made very visible- but... there you go. My craving for upgrading überness is frustrated : )

 

Maybe it's because SH3 isn't a MMOG, and because its graphic requirements are way below those that WoWs needs...

 

Seriously, that seems to me like comparing apples and oranges...

[TheDraconicLord]

I understand the OP's frustration. 

 

Many times I can't spot what exactly changed because not only they aren't highlighted, the ship disappears after you press that "Install upgrade" button and then it re-appears fully upgrade. This makes it even harder to spot what happened. 

 

I know, it isn't a major issue but at first when I started playing I was like "OH BOY! OH BOY! I WONDER HOW IT WILL LOOK NOW!" ... and then I couldn't tell the difference 

 

It's would be a nice "Nice To Have". 

[Historynerd]

I repeat, look at how the early US battleships (excluding the South Carolina) get modified when upgraded... they do change rather radically.

[TheDraconicLord]

I repeat, look at how the early US battleships (excluding the South Carolina) get modified when upgraded... they do change rather radically.

 

That, I TOTALLY agree with. When I upgrade the Wyoming I was mighty impressed. Even the hull color changed! 

 

But we are talking about 3-4 ships out of ... 50-ish, 60-ish? 

[Fediuld]

One thing that has bothered me a bit since I started playing : upgrading a ship gives me no feeling of achievement. I clic on the upgrade, and... nothing happens, really.

 

If I keep in mind the shape of my ship pre-upgrade, I can sometimes tell : "oh, this is new". But most of the time, I have absolutely no idea what has been improved graphically speaking. 

 

Maybe it's because I come from a MMO/RPG background, but upgrading a piece of equipment should bring some kind of "graphical satisfaction", like a little animation, highlighted guns swap or whatever. 

 

I know there are some more pressing issues, obviously, but I would really love to see my ship change before my eyes. Like in WoT, where I could see my new turret, or my new gun, and feel rewarded by this. 

 

Otherwise : great game ! 

 

No need to get normal ships mate. Get a Murmansk.  

[Hedgehog1963]

It would be nice that if you would move your cursor over a different version that you could admire and see the improvements and changes made to your ship. Right now you see one ship, upgrade and you better remember how it looked before as you do not get another chance at the old style.

 

You could take a screenshot... before and after...

[Historynerd]

 

That, I TOTALLY agree with. When I upgrade the Wyoming I was mighty impressed. Even the hull color changed! 

 

But we are talking about 3-4 ships of ... 50-ish, 60-ish? 

 

While ships can be upgraded and change their appearance quite radically, this is not that common, because many ships only underwent minor modifications and refits. So it's not a surprise that few ships in game undergo that.

 

But seriously, what's the problem? I don't get it - is this a form of visual fetishism? "I upgraded my ship, I want it to have three hundred more guns, bolted-in armor, twelve radar antennae and a golden band painted on the belt armor"...

 

This whole game is based on historical ships; IRL, ships didn't change that much and it took a lot of training for sailors to recognize ships based on their form. So, we can't see upgrades like a "+3 firepower, +5 armor, +2 speed, and shining new armor" thingie.

 

The true change lie in the stats. Like it or not, that's how things are.

[TheDraconicLord]

You seem to be misunderstanding what we mean. We KNOW this is historically accurate and honestly and I don't think anyone would want it any other way. 

 

The "shiny game visual fetish" we are talking about that we'd like (AND AGAIN, this would be a "Nice To Have") would be for example, an highlight of the changes as you are hovering over the "Install this upgrade" button: Instead of what you have, the ship would have parts highlighted telling you what will happen and BAM, you press that bad boy and go "HMMM HMMM, TIME FOR SOME MOTHER*BEEP* ACTION STATIONS!".

[Ishiro32]

Historynerd, there is nothing wrong with visual fetishism. People like shiny.

Problem is that readability of changes if there are, is very poor. Those models are big and detailed and changes are minor, it is very easy to not spot them even if the ship will get for example more AA guns. Making changed parts highlight in someway would solve this problem. I would know that my ship changed in some way. Even changes in markings or anything. Just something visual. 

[Historynerd]

You seem to be misunderstanding what we mean. We KNOW this is historically accurate and honestly and I don't think anyone would want it any other way. 

 

The "shiny game visual fetish" we are talking about that we'd like (AND AGAIN, this would be a "Nice To Have") would be for example, an highlight of the changes as you are hovering over the "Install this upgrade" button: Instead of what you have, the ship would have parts highlighted telling you what will happen and BAM, you press that bad boy and go "HMMM HMMM, TIME FOR SOME MOTHER*BEEP* ACTION STATIONS!".

 

Historynerd, there is nothing wrong with visual fetishism. People like shiny.

Problem is that readability of changes if there are, is very poor. Those models are big and detailed and changes are minor, it is very easy to not spot them even if the ship will get for example more AA guns. Making changed parts highlight in someway would solve this problem. I would know that my ship changed in some way. Even changes in markings or anything. Just something visual. 

 

But haven't you noticed the time it takes to load even the ship in port? These models are both huge and complex. Having this "highlight" feature would add further strain to the whole thing, I think.

 

Anyway, I'm sorry if I misunderstood what you meant, but I don't share the need of this feature. I'm ok with looking at the changes in the stats.

[Ebusus]

 

You could take a screenshot... before and after...

 

Actually I did some testing today and found that you can actually reinstall older versions and then back on without penalty or extra cash. Sure the camera moves again on its own when changing the upgrade up you do get to see again the older versions which was my problem.

[Khul]

Has the OP thought about setting off some fireworks every time he researches a module?

[Djerin]

I wish there was an option to disable the automatic camera movement in port. This annoying thing always moves the camera back to a default position if you switch modules and stuff like that. This makes it pretty hard to compare the different hulls. You always have to manually zoom in again on the stuff you wanted to see. Why? It makes no sense.

[Pivke]

i do have to agree with the OP in this matter.

 

but my real grudge is the lack of things to upgrade! most of the ships only have two upgrades... one hull and one range (the radar thingy) upgrade. and thats it? very dissapointing. and you can research all the upgrades so fast its just unreal. play ~5 matches and you have all the avaliable upgrades unlocked. there is no satisfaction or excitement in unlocking upgrades.

i remember a long time back when i played the Wargamings tank game, there was lots of things to upgrade on each tank and it took a long time if you wanted to gather enough XP to unlock everything. WoWS is a big step backwards in this matter.

[TheDraconicLord]

i do have to agree with the OP in this matter.

 

but my real grudge is the lack of things to upgrade! most of the ships only have two upgrades... one hull and one range (the radar thingy) upgrade. and thats it? very dissapointing. and you can research all the upgrades so fast its just unreal. play ~5 matches and you have all the avaliable upgrades unlocked. there is no satisfaction or excitement in unlocking upgrades.

i remember a long time back when i played the Wargamings tank game, there was lots of things to upgrade on each tank and it took a long time if you wanted to gather enough XP to unlock everything. WoWS is a big step backwards in this matter.

 

This is the CBT. Surely after the game is released the XP required for everything will be updated (and through the roof). WG wants to make money, they have to "incentive" the players to spend some cash for that premium account and XP conversions 

[SavageRat]

I believe that accumulation rates are at least 1.5x higher in cbt.

 

Once obt comes, grinding up will take much longer.

[Pivke]

XP gain ok. but still only 2-3 upgrades on most ships? not too exciting.