Weser, the killer ( and no, sight stabilisation is NOT needed )

[159Hunter]

51 minutes ago, Bear__Necessities said:

 It's called positioning. 

WOWs, a thinking man's game

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

1 hour ago, Bear__Necessities said:

Except the mix of secondaries and torps are perfectly adequate at killing DD's and the rockets still hit for 3/4k salvos....

 

1 hour ago, Beastofwar said:

And these secondaries cover all caps ? ...wait....

 

The secondaries are just a gimmick for certain late-game situations. 

 

The important thing is that torpedo and rocket planes are perfectly viable to deal with DDs by spotting and attacking them a round the caps. They are simply not as broken as Enterprise rocket planes for example, that's all. 

[Beastofwar]

48 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

 

The secondaries are just a gimmick for certain late-game situations. 

 

A usefull defensive and offensive gimmick given opportunity ......in ranked at least i have seen CV fight for caps with DD or low HP cruisers....or other CV.

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The important thing is that torpedo and rocket planes are perfectly viable to deal with DDs by spotting and attacking them a round the caps. They are simply not as broken as Enterprise rocket planes for example, that's all. 

 

Just like firing AP shells into DD when you have them loaded.....for me that means i probably will not use them to hunt down full HP DD. Just kill the odd low HP DD of opportunity or assist when you happen to be near. Obviously AP rockets are better spend on Cruisers and Light Cruisers are always near DD.

 

 

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

17 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

Just like firing AP shells into DD when you have them loaded.....for me that means i probably will not use them to hunt down full HP DD. 

 

That's what I hate about Random teams - they don't even bother shooting spotted DDs, just because they have AP loaded, the DD is still full HP or whatever excuse they can find. 

 

Properly hitting a DD with AP rockets does more damage/HP than hitting a torpedo strike on a BB... 

[Beastofwar]

6 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

That's what I hate about Random teams - they don't even bother shooting spotted DDs, just because they have AP loaded, the DD is still full HP or whatever excuse they can find. 

 

Properly hitting a DD with AP rockets does more damage/HP than hitting a torpedo strike on a BB... 

 

I will take your advise on that when i get the higher tier German CV's

[lup3s]

10 hours ago, Bear__Necessities said:

Except the mix of secondaries and torps are perfectly adequate at killing DD's and the rockets still hit for 3/4k salvos....

 

GZ maybe but the normal KM CVs?

Just angle your DD and you get maybe 1k damage form the rockets .. also the torps are a joke, dealing half the damage of IJN torps, but at least they go a whole 2 kts faster! Good luck hitting a (competent) DD player, and if you do, congratulations! here is 3k damage! 

 

I dislike playing the normal KM CVs because I depend on my team to get DDs sunk (and we all know how reliable teammates are ). Trying to sink one yourself (e.g. with the Weser) is a huge waste of time, in my opinion.

 

:edit:

I'm only at the T6 at the moment, so only have (some) experience with the Rhein and the Weser; and I think both are a worse IJN CV. In my opinion the Hosho and Ryujo do almost everything better than their KM CV counterparts; even the AP bomb drop seems more wonky with the KM CVs than with the IJN CVs.

 

Only have about a dozen of Random Battles with the regular KM CVs and I already have PTSD playing them; I have a pathetic win rate with them and most of the battles I lost were because I couldn't sink the DDs (or spend way too much time sinking them) - the rest of the team most of the times was too speshul to even shoot enemy DDs. At the moment I feel like the KM CV grind will be like the RN BB / RN CA line - using a LOT of free XP.

[Pappus]

10 hours ago, Bear__Necessities said:

Except the mix of secondaries and torps are perfectly adequate at killing DD's and the rockets still hit for 3/4k salvos....

Feel free to switch to the parseval to rank out then ;)

 

Then come back and we speak again about the adequacy of KM CVs against competent DDs.

[Johnny_Moneto]

Vor 11 Stunden, Bear__Necessities sagte:

Except the mix of secondaries and torps are perfectly adequate at killing DD's and the rockets still hit for 3/4k salvos....

Are you still referring to Weser?

[Xaturas]

Weser is trash.

[Bear__Necessities]

7 hours ago, lup3s said:

GZ maybe but the normal KM CVs?

The T8 secondaries seem ok. Not GZ level but did get 3 close quarters 3 games in a row from over eager DD’s.

 

The torps are meh, but still fast enough to clip DD’s at least so there is that. 

7 hours ago, Pappus said:

Feel free to switch to the parseval to rank out then ;)

 

Then come back and we speak again about the adequacy of KM CVs against competent DDs.

I said adequate not GOOD for a reason :P

 

6 hours ago, Johnny_Moneto said:

Are you still referring to Weser?

No, the T8. Weser is still bad in my opinion and that’s not going to change.

[Itwastuesday]

Pretty sick damage for T6, even knowing the power of AP bombs. How'd you manage to keep so many bombers alive?

[hellhound666]

37 minutes ago, Itwastuesday said:

Pretty sick damage for T6, even knowing the power of AP bombs. How'd you manage to keep so many bombers alive?

we have a saying in our language - occasionally even blind chicken finds the grain

[El2aZeR]

2 hours ago, Itwastuesday said:

Pretty sick damage for T6, even knowing the power of AP bombs. How'd you manage to keep so many bombers alive?

 

Extremely favorable MM resulting in practically no AA opposition.

[Pappus]

18 hours ago, Beastofwar said:

 

I will take your advise on that when i get the higher tier German CV's

Don't what he said is wrong.

[Beastofwar]

1 hour ago, Pappus said:

Don't what he said is wrong.

 

I cannot judge that yet.....i have the Weser but T6 is mostly operations only for me. Just like the other nations CV i will operate the tech tree T VIII and T X a lot. I will find out what is what.

 

His insignia however indicates he knows what he is talking about. So for now i go with that.

[BLUB__BLUB]

On 8/2/2020 at 12:09 AM, El2aZeR said:

 

I said it helps, not that it performs miracles.

maybe it is time for a special AA-skill, and I don't mean anti-air.

I mean Alcoholics Anonymous for the autopilot... 

[Pappus]

4 hours ago, Beastofwar said:

 

I cannot judge that yet.....i have the Weser but T6 is mostly operations only for me. Just like the other nations CV i will operate the tech tree T VIII and T X a lot. I will find out what is what.

 

His insignia however indicates he knows what he is talking about. So for now i go with that.

You mean that one? :D

 

Tell me if it swapped to it i am not sure when it will

[Beastofwar]

13 minutes ago, Pappus said:

You mean that one? :D

 

Tell me if it swapped to it i am not sure when it will

 

Before or after the CV rework ?  It has gotten a bit harder to achieve after all the nerfs....probably have to play a Haku all day every day now....

[Johnny_Moneto]

Vor 10 Stunden, Bear__Necessities sagte:

 

No, the T8. Weser is still bad in my opinion and that’s not going to change.

But it says Weser in the thread title. Please kindly don't confuse me. I am old, my mind does not work so fast anymore.

[Pappus]

6 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

 

Before or after the CV rework ?  It has gotten a bit harder to achieve after all the nerfs....probably have to play a Haku all day every day now....

I didn't know they existed until a week or two ago so I wouldn't be able to tell you if and how I unlocked them. Pretty sure my parseval would have unlocked it too though. 113k average over 100 matches is not that much. Just play and it will happen

[Beastofwar]

1 hour ago, Pappus said:

I didn't know they existed until a week or two ago so I wouldn't be able to tell you if and how I unlocked them. Pretty sure my parseval would have unlocked it too though. 113k average over 100 matches is not that much. Just play and it will happen

 

No kidding !!!  I did not know that was even possible

[BLUB__BLUB]

1 hour ago, Beastofwar said:

No kidding !!!  I did not know that was even possible

...just not if you play in weekends. 

 

I mean, you still can get > 100k but then there's also those games your team dies to ROFLSTOMP in 3 minutes and you have <30k. 

[Bear__Necessities]

12 hours ago, Hirohito said:

*EDIT*

By arrogant I assume you mean correct. Because he is.

[_HomTanks_]

12 hours ago, Hirohito said:

*EDIT*

Definition of arrogant: having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities.

 

Do you think It is being a general consensus among skilled players statement is untrue and he exaggerates?

[invicta2012]

I have to say I really don't like the Weser.

 

Operator Error is more than a possibility but it matches Ranger in the wonky aiming stakes - both rocket planes and bombers have horrid aiming mechanisms - and the torpedoes need to be given Ryujo lead time for trivial damage. Not a fan at all based on games played so far.