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Why don't we have historical flags?

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this is just a question, not a rant/complaint.

 

I don't understand why we don't have historical flags, like the rising sun or the whatever the Kriegsmarine flag was (I think it's the flag we have now but replace the Iron Cross with a swastika)?

I haven't been in this game for years or anything close to that but from looking at a few, really old WoWs videos I saw ships used to have the real flags, why did WG remove them? what was the reason?

 

I just don't understand why these flags were removed, is there some sort of legal reason? Were people offended? (btw im not complaining if people were offended since we can't deny the horrific atrocities the soviets, nazis and imperial japan commited)

 

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AFAIK swastika is forbidden in Germany and other countries while Japan raising sun is forbidden in China. So yes, there are legal reasons why those were not included. I'm not sure if soviet symbols are actually forbidden in any country.

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Just now, Peroidas said:

AFAIK swastika is forbidden in Germany and other countries while Japan raising sun is forbidden in China. So yes, there are legal reasons why those were not included. I'm not sure if soviet symbols are actually forbidden in any country.

Doesn't China have their own server since most of the japanese stuff in this game is forbidden?

 

Idk the full extent of the situation in Germany but according to this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45142651 the swastika is allowed in games (idk if this is true) althought idk if this is the case for other countries.

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11 minutes ago, ItsJustAFleshWound said:

this is just a question, not a rant/complaint.

 

I don't understand why we don't have historical flags, like the rising sun or the whatever the Kriegsmarine flag was (I think it's the flag we have now but replace the Iron Cross with a swastika)?

I haven't been in this game for years or anything close to that but from looking at a few, really old WoWs videos I saw ships used to have the real flags, why did WG remove them? what was the reason?

 

I just don't understand why these flags were removed, is there some sort of legal reason? Were people offended? (btw im not complaining if people were offended since we can't deny the horrific atrocities the soviets, nazis and imperial japan commited)

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Peroidas said:

AFAIK swastika is forbidden in Germany and other countries while Japan raising sun is forbidden in China. So yes, there are legal reasons why those were not included. I'm not sure if soviet symbols are actually forbidden in any country.

As far as I know it's now allowed in games with historical content. Since a year or something

 

3 minutes ago, ItsJustAFleshWound said:

Doesn't China have their own server since most of the japanese stuff in this game is forbidden?

 

Idk the full extent of the situation in Germany but according to this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45142651 the swastika is allowed in games (idk if this is true) althought idk if this is the case for other countries.

It should be allowed now, and in china, they have totally different flags for Japan and stuff.

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26 minutes ago, ItsJustAFleshWound said:

this is just a question, not a rant/complaint.

 

I don't understand why we don't have historical flags, like the rising sun or the whatever the Kriegsmarine flag was (I think it's the flag we have now but replace the Iron Cross with a swastika)?

I haven't been in this game for years or anything close to that but from looking at a few, really old WoWs videos I saw ships used to have the real flags, why did WG remove them? what was the reason?

 

I just don't understand why these flags were removed, is there some sort of legal reason? Were people offended? (btw im not complaining if people were offended since we can't deny the horrific atrocities the soviets, nazis and imperial japan commited)

 

Because delicate feelings of politically correct "left wing liberals" cant stand to be reminded of bad things their nations did (or had done to them) in the past under a certain symbol...

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10 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

As far as I know it's now allowed in games with historical content. Since a year or something

 

It should be allowed now, and in china, they have totally different flags for Japan and stuff.

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woah, are the IJN ships classed as Chinese in their server then?

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1 minute ago, ItsJustAFleshWound said:

woah, are the IJN ships classed as Chinese in their server then?

No idea, just have seen such screenshots

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2 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

Because delicate feelings of politically correct "left wing liberals" cant stand to be reminded of bad things their nations did (or had done to them) in the past under a certain symbol...

tbh i dont think it's a political thing, in all WG titles I see some flags have been changed a bit.

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Just now, Pikkozoikum said:

As far as I know it's now allowed in games with historical content. Since a year or something

 

It should be allowed now, and in china, they have totally different flags for Japan and stuff.

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I just checked. Actually, the paragraph in the law book actually allowed Nazi realted symbols from the get go as long it did not glorify facism (basically, if you as a DEV made the Nazis the bad guys, you were fine), was used in a artistic or historic way.

However, the department that controlled content (USK) ignored that paragraph for decades for the simple reason that computer games were never considered to be art or historical, so they issued a general ban, regardless.

 

And yes, it has now been lifted and we'll most likely see games with Nazi symbols at some point.

 

 

I seriously doubt that Wg will change the german flag tho.

First of all, it would rub a lot of germans the wrong way, not to mention that it would rub a lot of non-germans the wrong way and could lead to increased amount of toxicity.

Having a german nick, or even sailing a german ship and sinking someone can cause harassment.

I've been called a Nazi because i sank some BB in my T-61, and my Nickname is as non-german as it could possibly be.

 

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42 minutes ago, ItsJustAFleshWound said:

I just don't understand why these flags were removed, is there some sort of legal reason? Were people offended? (btw im not complaining if people were offended since we can't deny the horrific atrocities the soviets, nazis and imperial japan commited)

They were not removed. You must have seen players with mods.

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14 minutes ago, ItsJustAFleshWound said:

tbh i dont think it's a political thing, in all WG titles I see some flags have been changed a bit.

Ofc its a political thing, certain symbols of past regimes are banned in certain countries, if those countries are part of the marketing strategy content will be modified (either locally or globaly) to conform with the said laws not to alienate possible customers or create legal issues, hence you get "politically correct" versions thereof in the game...

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Germany is not the only country which has the swastica forbidden.

Latvia, Poland, Lithuania, Hungary has swastica forbidden too. Hungary has the soviets symbols banned so i don't know if this game is played in Hungary.

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36 minutes ago, Thorsvald said:

Germany is not the only country which has the swastica forbidden.

Latvia, Poland, Lithuania, Hungary has swastica forbidden too. Hungary has the soviets symbols banned so i don't know if this game is played in Hungary.

Yeah, it's political, and also just a courtesy to those people who had millions of their relatives murdered in the name of those symbols to not use them. I'm old enough that in my case they were my aunts and uncles.

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Because in today's world everybody is offended by everything.

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19 minutes ago, That_Other_Nid said:

Yeah, it's political, and also just a courtesy to those people who had millions of their relatives murdered in the name of those symbols to not use them. I'm old enough that in my case they were my aunts and uncles.

Fascinating how hammer and sickle usually gets exempt, as well as it would seem the Italian flag for instance...

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2 hours ago, Peroidas said:

Japan raising sun is forbidden in China.

No, its not.

 

To start, its still the Japanese naval ensign and nobody complained when Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force adapted it in 1952 as for China, Chairman Mao was fond of the Asahi pattern and CPC have a long history of using the design, meaning nobody complains about the design (as so, the rising sun) for the entirely obvious reason.

 

South Korea started to make noise but that was recently as it started in 2011, Japan have no love on Koreas and China but only S. Korea been making complains and that been recently.

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3 hours ago, ItsJustAFleshWound said:

this is just a question, not a rant/complaint.

 

I don't understand why we don't have historical flags, like the rising sun or the whatever the Kriegsmarine flag was (I think it's the flag we have now but replace the Iron Cross with a swastika)?

I haven't been in this game for years or anything close to that but from looking at a few, really old WoWs videos I saw ships used to have the real flags, why did WG remove them? what was the reason?

 

I just don't understand why these flags were removed, is there some sort of legal reason? Were people offended? (btw im not complaining if people were offended since we can't deny the horrific atrocities the soviets, nazis and imperial japan commited)

 

WG does not want to get in trouble with cancel culture screaming about certain historical flags, legal or not. 

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2 hours ago, ItsJustAFleshWound said:

this is just a question, not a rant/complaint.

 

I don't understand why we don't have historical flags, like the rising sun or the whatever the Kriegsmarine flag was (I think it's the flag we have now but replace the Iron Cross with a swastika)?

I haven't been in this game for years or anything close to that but from looking at a few, really old WoWs videos I saw ships used to have the real flags, why did WG remove them? what was the reason?

 

I just don't understand why these flags were removed, is there some sort of legal reason? Were people offended? (btw im not complaining if people were offended since we can't deny the horrific atrocities the soviets, nazis and imperial japan commited)

 

 

That's because pinkass SJWs are everywhere and WG doesn't want to cross them.. 

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I kind of get that some people get offended by the display of the Swastika symbol (which is an ancient religious symbol afaik) because of Nazi Germany. So, making an Iron cross out of the Swastika I can accept. Though why the Soviet hammer and sickel should be any different, I cannot quite fathom. Stalin was not far behind Hitler in murdering people.

For not displaying the Japanese Neval flag, I have not understanding whatseover. It is the flag of the Japanese Forces to this day, for crying out loud!

Another matter: Why do Imperial Russian ships have their own, period-correct flag, but Imperial German ones do not?

In the end, political view from the developers/people in charge at WG is the only viable explanation.

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2 hours ago, domen3 said:

Because in today's world everybody is offended by everything.

Yes.. how on earth can someone be offended by a regime that started a world war ending in tens of millions dead, and who committed the holocaust? Lets just pretend it's just people being snowflakes or something, since that makes you so cool.

 

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1 hour ago, Kenjiro_ said:

 

That's because pinkass SJWs are everywhere and WG doesn't want to cross them.. 

 

Yes.. just because these are laws enacted by those who were victims by nazis, and those who wanted to make it hard for them to return to power in their own country.. back in the 1940s and 50s, they're of course "SJWs".

 

Just like how the allies in WWII were "SJWs" too I guess, or at least those dreaded horrible "antifas".

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22 minutes ago, AgarwaenME said:

Yes.. how on earth can someone be offended by a regime that started a world war ending in tens of millions dead, and who committed the holocaust? Lets just pretend it's just people being snowflakes or something, since that makes you so cool.

Oh yes, let's go do our best to forget our history so we can repeat it again....I mean, it's been nothing but sunshine and roses as we all know (or at least as you want us to know it). It happened, get over it. It's a part of history and it always will be.

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